OT: Military budget

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Arraya][quote=pri_dk]I don’t think we are seeing the same kind of returns these days.[/quote]

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Also, It’s no secret that they thought Iraq’s oil would pay for the war.[/quote]

Like I said: We aren’t seeing the same kind of returns these days.

You know about this guy though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

He first saw action in the Spanish American War (where we got Guantanamo and first used waterboarding.)

Too bad history has pretty much forgotten him.[/quote]

Pri: Smedley’s a stud! We used the USMC SWM (Small Wars Manual) extensively during my time doing counterinsurgency. It was written in 1940 and remains, in my opinion, the best manual for counterinsurgency warfare ever written.

Old Smedley was like the Zelig of the 1920s and 1930s when it came to hot spots in the world, specifically those related to where US business interests ran, like the “Banana Wars” in Central America.

You should read his writings after he retired. He was bitterly opposed to US interventionism and repudiated most of his actions and those of the Marine Corps during that period.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Resources, resources, resources.

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I would like to read more Smedley. (I figured that you would know who he was.) I confess that I’ve only read a synopsis of “War is a Racket” and not much else.

He’s an accomplished warrior with a conscience. A very admirable combination in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I would like to read more Smedley. (I figured that you would know who he was.) I confess that I’ve only read a synopsis of “War is a Racket” and not much else.

He’s an accomplished warrior with a conscience. A very admirable combination in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I would like to read more Smedley. (I figured that you would know who he was.) I confess that I’ve only read a synopsis of “War is a Racket” and not much else.

He’s an accomplished warrior with a conscience. A very admirable combination in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I would like to read more Smedley. (I figured that you would know who he was.) I confess that I’ve only read a synopsis of “War is a Racket” and not much else.

He’s an accomplished warrior with a conscience. A very admirable combination in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Allan,

I would like to read more Smedley. (I figured that you would know who he was.) I confess that I’ve only read a synopsis of “War is a Racket” and not much else.

He’s an accomplished warrior with a conscience. A very admirable combination in my opinion.

[Arraya]

He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.

[Arraya]

He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.

[Arraya]

He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.

[Arraya]

He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.

[Arraya]

He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.[/quote]

Arraya: MacGuire also did a turn in front of HUAC later and most people, including historians Sargent and Schlesinger, dismissed him as a con man and trickster.

When I was in the Army, one of the courses I took was on conditional/unconditional acceptance of authority and the morality/legality of orders. We were ordered to read “Seven Days in May” (for discussion following) and we also discussed the “White House Putsch” as our instructor called the plot above. Most of the so-called plot seemed cut from whole cloth to me, and MacGuire emerged as either a dupe or a con man.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.[/quote]

Arraya: MacGuire also did a turn in front of HUAC later and most people, including historians Sargent and Schlesinger, dismissed him as a con man and trickster.

When I was in the Army, one of the courses I took was on conditional/unconditional acceptance of authority and the morality/legality of orders. We were ordered to read “Seven Days in May” (for discussion following) and we also discussed the “White House Putsch” as our instructor called the plot above. Most of the so-called plot seemed cut from whole cloth to me, and MacGuire emerged as either a dupe or a con man.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.[/quote]

Arraya: MacGuire also did a turn in front of HUAC later and most people, including historians Sargent and Schlesinger, dismissed him as a con man and trickster.

When I was in the Army, one of the courses I took was on conditional/unconditional acceptance of authority and the morality/legality of orders. We were ordered to read “Seven Days in May” (for discussion following) and we also discussed the “White House Putsch” as our instructor called the plot above. Most of the so-called plot seemed cut from whole cloth to me, and MacGuire emerged as either a dupe or a con man.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya]He was also approached by some businessmen with connections to Dupont and JP morgan to overthrow FDR via military coup in 1933. He ended up turning them into congress. Gerald McGuire one of the conspirators was quoted in saying this:

“We need a fascist government in this country… to save the nation from the communists who want to tear it down and wreck all that we have built in America. The only men who have the patriotism to do it are the soldiers, and Smedley Butler is the ideal leader. He could organize a million men overnight.”

Communist/anarchist/socialist politics where popular amongst factory workers at the time.

This conspiracy was kept from the public for many years. In the late 60s some reporter dug it out of the congressional archives and did a story on it.[/quote]

Arraya: MacGuire also did a turn in front of HUAC later and most people, including historians Sargent and Schlesinger, dismissed him as a con man and trickster.

When I was in the Army, one of the courses I took was on conditional/unconditional acceptance of authority and the morality/legality of orders. We were ordered to read “Seven Days in May” (for discussion following) and we also discussed the “White House Putsch” as our instructor called the plot above. Most of the so-called plot seemed cut from whole cloth to me, and MacGuire emerged as either a dupe or a con man.

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