OT: McCain will be President

[TheBreeze]

The way things are playing out in the Democratic race, I think Hilary is going to take the nomination. However, Obama has so much money and so much support from independents, he might end up running as one. That would put Obama, Hilary, and McCain in a three-way race for Prez.

Obama and Hilary would then split the Democratic vote. McCain would take the meager Republican vote which would allow him to just squeak into the White House. Get ready for four more years of Bush-Cheney type politics.

[kev374]

This is GREAT! We do not need any Democrats in the white house. I don’t agree with McCain’s stance on the war but his other policies are better than Obama and of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!

[zk]

“of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!”

I know the far right despises Hillary. But I’ve never heard an explanation of why they hate her more than they hate your ordinary left wing politician. I asked a guy at work (who’d just called her the antichrist), and he said he didn’t know. He just hates her.

Kev, can you explain it to me? And of course, outlining her positions on issues won’t really do it, because they’re not much different than most democrats. I want to know why the particular venom directed at her. Mostly because I’m just really curious and because I never hear anybody say why they hate her, just that they do.

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.

[meadandale]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

LOL

This is just the tip of the iceberg with B&H

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

They should both be in PRISON.

Not to mention that Hillary is unabashedly a Socialist.

[TheBreeze]

I think this picture illustrates pretty well why people tend to hate Hilary Clinton:

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You can see the other poor woman in the photo is terrified as Hilary almost trampled her in a desperate bid to shake the hand of a man who had just snubbed her. The look of crazy ‘please like me’ desperation on Hilary’s face is scary. Hilary is just this huge mix of crazy, desperation, bitchitude, and raw ambition all rolled into one and it really tends to turn people off — especially if they don’t agree with her political positions in the first place.

Another poster above said he was confused by my post. What I was trying to say is that I think Obama will lose the Democratic nomination, but that he will still run for the Office of El Presidente as an Independent. If this happens, there would be a three-way race for President between McCain, Hilary, and Obama. McCain would have a good chance of winning such a race because members of his own party would all vote for him (although many would be holding their noses).

[TheBreeze]

I think this picture illustrates pretty well why people tend to hate Hilary Clinton:

[img_assist|nid=6477|link=node|align=left|width=444|height=500]

You can see the other poor woman in the photo is terrified as Hilary almost trampled her in a desperate bid to shake the hand of a man who had just snubbed her. The look of crazy ‘please like me’ desperation on Hilary’s face is scary. Hilary is just this huge mix of crazy, desperation, bitchitude, and raw ambition all rolled into one and it really tends to turn people off — especially if they don’t agree with her political positions in the first place.

Another poster above said he was confused by my post. What I was trying to say is that I think Obama will lose the Democratic nomination, but that he will still run for the Office of El Presidente as an Independent. If this happens, there would be a three-way race for President between McCain, Hilary, and Obama. McCain would have a good chance of winning such a race because members of his own party would all vote for him (although many would be holding their noses).

[TheBreeze]

I think this picture illustrates pretty well why people tend to hate Hilary Clinton:

[img_assist|nid=6477|link=node|align=left|width=444|height=500]

You can see the other poor woman in the photo is terrified as Hilary almost trampled her in a desperate bid to shake the hand of a man who had just snubbed her. The look of crazy ‘please like me’ desperation on Hilary’s face is scary. Hilary is just this huge mix of crazy, desperation, bitchitude, and raw ambition all rolled into one and it really tends to turn people off — especially if they don’t agree with her political positions in the first place.

Another poster above said he was confused by my post. What I was trying to say is that I think Obama will lose the Democratic nomination, but that he will still run for the Office of El Presidente as an Independent. If this happens, there would be a three-way race for President between McCain, Hilary, and Obama. McCain would have a good chance of winning such a race because members of his own party would all vote for him (although many would be holding their noses).

[TheBreeze]

I think this picture illustrates pretty well why people tend to hate Hilary Clinton:

[img_assist|nid=6477|link=node|align=left|width=444|height=500]

You can see the other poor woman in the photo is terrified as Hilary almost trampled her in a desperate bid to shake the hand of a man who had just snubbed her. The look of crazy ‘please like me’ desperation on Hilary’s face is scary. Hilary is just this huge mix of crazy, desperation, bitchitude, and raw ambition all rolled into one and it really tends to turn people off — especially if they don’t agree with her political positions in the first place.

Another poster above said he was confused by my post. What I was trying to say is that I think Obama will lose the Democratic nomination, but that he will still run for the Office of El Presidente as an Independent. If this happens, there would be a three-way race for President between McCain, Hilary, and Obama. McCain would have a good chance of winning such a race because members of his own party would all vote for him (although many would be holding their noses).

[TheBreeze]

I think this picture illustrates pretty well why people tend to hate Hilary Clinton:

[img_assist|nid=6477|link=node|align=left|width=444|height=500]

You can see the other poor woman in the photo is terrified as Hilary almost trampled her in a desperate bid to shake the hand of a man who had just snubbed her. The look of crazy ‘please like me’ desperation on Hilary’s face is scary. Hilary is just this huge mix of crazy, desperation, bitchitude, and raw ambition all rolled into one and it really tends to turn people off — especially if they don’t agree with her political positions in the first place.

Another poster above said he was confused by my post. What I was trying to say is that I think Obama will lose the Democratic nomination, but that he will still run for the Office of El Presidente as an Independent. If this happens, there would be a three-way race for President between McCain, Hilary, and Obama. McCain would have a good chance of winning such a race because members of his own party would all vote for him (although many would be holding their noses).

[Bugs]

There’s opposition to a candidate’s politics and then there’s opposition to the candidate’s persona.

Regardless of how fair it is, the reason H. Clinton draws the level of opposition she does is because she is widely perceived by many on the right as being dishonest and hypocritical – more so than even most other polticians. There are a lot of people who believe that the only true allegience she has is to gaining office and wielding power. Everything else is for sale.

I don’t think its any exagerration to say that she is the only candidate who will prompt an increase in the number of voters who participate in the General Election. Even among an apathetic elctorage, she is the only candidate that some voters will go out of their way to vote against, and that has little to do with her voting record as a Senator.

No matter what, California’s electoral votes will all go to whichever of the two candidates the Democratic Party puts forth. We just had all the say we’re going have in this election last week when we voted in the primaries.

[Bugs]

There’s opposition to a candidate’s politics and then there’s opposition to the candidate’s persona.

Regardless of how fair it is, the reason H. Clinton draws the level of opposition she does is because she is widely perceived by many on the right as being dishonest and hypocritical – more so than even most other polticians. There are a lot of people who believe that the only true allegience she has is to gaining office and wielding power. Everything else is for sale.

I don’t think its any exagerration to say that she is the only candidate who will prompt an increase in the number of voters who participate in the General Election. Even among an apathetic elctorage, she is the only candidate that some voters will go out of their way to vote against, and that has little to do with her voting record as a Senator.

No matter what, California’s electoral votes will all go to whichever of the two candidates the Democratic Party puts forth. We just had all the say we’re going have in this election last week when we voted in the primaries.

[Bugs]

There’s opposition to a candidate’s politics and then there’s opposition to the candidate’s persona.

Regardless of how fair it is, the reason H. Clinton draws the level of opposition she does is because she is widely perceived by many on the right as being dishonest and hypocritical – more so than even most other polticians. There are a lot of people who believe that the only true allegience she has is to gaining office and wielding power. Everything else is for sale.

I don’t think its any exagerration to say that she is the only candidate who will prompt an increase in the number of voters who participate in the General Election. Even among an apathetic elctorage, she is the only candidate that some voters will go out of their way to vote against, and that has little to do with her voting record as a Senator.

No matter what, California’s electoral votes will all go to whichever of the two candidates the Democratic Party puts forth. We just had all the say we’re going have in this election last week when we voted in the primaries.

[Bugs]

There’s opposition to a candidate’s politics and then there’s opposition to the candidate’s persona.

Regardless of how fair it is, the reason H. Clinton draws the level of opposition she does is because she is widely perceived by many on the right as being dishonest and hypocritical – more so than even most other polticians. There are a lot of people who believe that the only true allegience she has is to gaining office and wielding power. Everything else is for sale.

I don’t think its any exagerration to say that she is the only candidate who will prompt an increase in the number of voters who participate in the General Election. Even among an apathetic elctorage, she is the only candidate that some voters will go out of their way to vote against, and that has little to do with her voting record as a Senator.

No matter what, California’s electoral votes will all go to whichever of the two candidates the Democratic Party puts forth. We just had all the say we’re going have in this election last week when we voted in the primaries.

[Bugs]

There’s opposition to a candidate’s politics and then there’s opposition to the candidate’s persona.

Regardless of how fair it is, the reason H. Clinton draws the level of opposition she does is because she is widely perceived by many on the right as being dishonest and hypocritical – more so than even most other polticians. There are a lot of people who believe that the only true allegience she has is to gaining office and wielding power. Everything else is for sale.

I don’t think its any exagerration to say that she is the only candidate who will prompt an increase in the number of voters who participate in the General Election. Even among an apathetic elctorage, she is the only candidate that some voters will go out of their way to vote against, and that has little to do with her voting record as a Senator.

No matter what, California’s electoral votes will all go to whichever of the two candidates the Democratic Party puts forth. We just had all the say we’re going have in this election last week when we voted in the primaries.

[Arty]

Talk about who should be in prison. First, both Regan and Bush sr. should be in prison because they literally funneled cracks into our ghettos to fund a war. Bush Jr. invaded a nation with out congressional approval and under faulty pretenses. Hillary is guilty, too, for been part of the inner political circle.

Obama is relatively new to the D.C. circle, so it will be hard to pin anything on him.

Regardless who will be President, if American public still keeps on spending like no tomorrow, one day we will all be regretting our decisions. Of course, we will not realized what a mistake that we made until it’s too late.

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

[Coronita]

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

 

Any chances of a McCain/Ron Paul Ticket ? 🙂

 

Yes, yes I know. They're at odds end with the war issue. 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

 

Any chances of a McCain/Ron Paul Ticket ? 🙂

 

Yes, yes I know. They're at odds end with the war issue. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

 

Any chances of a McCain/Ron Paul Ticket ? 🙂

 

Yes, yes I know. They're at odds end with the war issue. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

 

Any chances of a McCain/Ron Paul Ticket ? 🙂

 

Yes, yes I know. They're at odds end with the war issue. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

 

Any chances of a McCain/Ron Paul Ticket ? 🙂

 

Yes, yes I know. They're at odds end with the war issue. 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Ex-SD]

Over the years, I have heard Hillary described as smart, intelligent, experienced, etc. but I have only see her stick her foot in her mouth and commit enough faux pas’ to get thrown out of any company that I ever worked for.
*First, she is for the Iraq War and then she’s not. The truth is that when she is really pigeonholed about the subject, she admits that she would not get us out of Iraq, post haste, if she became President.
*Her first action as First Lady was to insert herself in the business of the White House Travel Office where she fired the staff (many had been there for years) for absolutely no reason other than her trumped up accusations that they had done wrong. She promptly inserted some relatives of Harry and Linda Bloodworth Thomason (the rich and famous t.v. writer producers) to run the travel office. There was never any wrongdoing proven by any member of the former travel office staff.
*Remember when the allegations first arose about Bill having sex with an intern? Her first reaction was to go on national television and declare that this was all part of “vast, right-wing conspiracy” while Bill went before the nation and wagged his finger at the camera (Oh, I hate it when anyone does that) and declared that he did NOT have sex with THAT WOMAN! Then, a few other women surfaced and Hillary declared that all of them were just trying to bring him down and their stories had no credibility.
*Then, there were those pesky documents that Hillary claimed that she had never seen and were missing from a special, secure file room in the White House. After being questioned and a few weeks passed, the documents mysteriously re-appeared in the same file room from where they had been missing. They were analyzed and Hillary’s fingerprints were found all over the documents.
*And who could ever forget the famous, healthcare reform deal where she was going to work for nothing to head up a renowned committee of brainiacs who would fix healthcare in the good ole USA? She announced to the press that these people would all volunteer their time to do this massive good deed for the country and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayer one red cent. Problem is that after some time passed and a reporter got into the files……she had paid every, single one of them handsomely.

The bottom line is that she’s NOT smart, intelligent, experienced or capable and I don’t care if she were running from any party other than the Democrats, she IS NOT what this country needs. She & her low-life husband are power-mongers who simply want to turn the USA into a Socialist country. BTW: any of you who are too young to remember the items that I listed above…………all you have to do is Google them up. I wrote them from memory but they all happened just like I typed them. (and there’s plenty more) Do we really need another Clinton in the White House?
As for McCain: It will be four more years of war in Iraq. I’m a Vietnam vet and verrrrrry pro-military but let’s face it folks: We were lied to by GWB about WMD to get the backing of the people and the Congress for this war that has killed our boys and girls for absolutely NO good benefit of the citizens of the USA. A vote for McCain simply prolongs this idiotic war. Doesn’t leave much of a choice, does it?

[Ex-SD]

Over the years, I have heard Hillary described as smart, intelligent, experienced, etc. but I have only see her stick her foot in her mouth and commit enough faux pas’ to get thrown out of any company that I ever worked for.
*First, she is for the Iraq War and then she’s not. The truth is that when she is really pigeonholed about the subject, she admits that she would not get us out of Iraq, post haste, if she became President.
*Her first action as First Lady was to insert herself in the business of the White House Travel Office where she fired the staff (many had been there for years) for absolutely no reason other than her trumped up accusations that they had done wrong. She promptly inserted some relatives of Harry and Linda Bloodworth Thomason (the rich and famous t.v. writer producers) to run the travel office. There was never any wrongdoing proven by any member of the former travel office staff.
*Remember when the allegations first arose about Bill having sex with an intern? Her first reaction was to go on national television and declare that this was all part of “vast, right-wing conspiracy” while Bill went before the nation and wagged his finger at the camera (Oh, I hate it when anyone does that) and declared that he did NOT have sex with THAT WOMAN! Then, a few other women surfaced and Hillary declared that all of them were just trying to bring him down and their stories had no credibility.
*Then, there were those pesky documents that Hillary claimed that she had never seen and were missing from a special, secure file room in the White House. After being questioned and a few weeks passed, the documents mysteriously re-appeared in the same file room from where they had been missing. They were analyzed and Hillary’s fingerprints were found all over the documents.
*And who could ever forget the famous, healthcare reform deal where she was going to work for nothing to head up a renowned committee of brainiacs who would fix healthcare in the good ole USA? She announced to the press that these people would all volunteer their time to do this massive good deed for the country and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayer one red cent. Problem is that after some time passed and a reporter got into the files……she had paid every, single one of them handsomely.

The bottom line is that she’s NOT smart, intelligent, experienced or capable and I don’t care if she were running from any party other than the Democrats, she IS NOT what this country needs. She & her low-life husband are power-mongers who simply want to turn the USA into a Socialist country. BTW: any of you who are too young to remember the items that I listed above…………all you have to do is Google them up. I wrote them from memory but they all happened just like I typed them. (and there’s plenty more) Do we really need another Clinton in the White House?
As for McCain: It will be four more years of war in Iraq. I’m a Vietnam vet and verrrrrry pro-military but let’s face it folks: We were lied to by GWB about WMD to get the backing of the people and the Congress for this war that has killed our boys and girls for absolutely NO good benefit of the citizens of the USA. A vote for McCain simply prolongs this idiotic war. Doesn’t leave much of a choice, does it?

[Ex-SD]

Over the years, I have heard Hillary described as smart, intelligent, experienced, etc. but I have only see her stick her foot in her mouth and commit enough faux pas’ to get thrown out of any company that I ever worked for.
*First, she is for the Iraq War and then she’s not. The truth is that when she is really pigeonholed about the subject, she admits that she would not get us out of Iraq, post haste, if she became President.
*Her first action as First Lady was to insert herself in the business of the White House Travel Office where she fired the staff (many had been there for years) for absolutely no reason other than her trumped up accusations that they had done wrong. She promptly inserted some relatives of Harry and Linda Bloodworth Thomason (the rich and famous t.v. writer producers) to run the travel office. There was never any wrongdoing proven by any member of the former travel office staff.
*Remember when the allegations first arose about Bill having sex with an intern? Her first reaction was to go on national television and declare that this was all part of “vast, right-wing conspiracy” while Bill went before the nation and wagged his finger at the camera (Oh, I hate it when anyone does that) and declared that he did NOT have sex with THAT WOMAN! Then, a few other women surfaced and Hillary declared that all of them were just trying to bring him down and their stories had no credibility.
*Then, there were those pesky documents that Hillary claimed that she had never seen and were missing from a special, secure file room in the White House. After being questioned and a few weeks passed, the documents mysteriously re-appeared in the same file room from where they had been missing. They were analyzed and Hillary’s fingerprints were found all over the documents.
*And who could ever forget the famous, healthcare reform deal where she was going to work for nothing to head up a renowned committee of brainiacs who would fix healthcare in the good ole USA? She announced to the press that these people would all volunteer their time to do this massive good deed for the country and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayer one red cent. Problem is that after some time passed and a reporter got into the files……she had paid every, single one of them handsomely.

The bottom line is that she’s NOT smart, intelligent, experienced or capable and I don’t care if she were running from any party other than the Democrats, she IS NOT what this country needs. She & her low-life husband are power-mongers who simply want to turn the USA into a Socialist country. BTW: any of you who are too young to remember the items that I listed above…………all you have to do is Google them up. I wrote them from memory but they all happened just like I typed them. (and there’s plenty more) Do we really need another Clinton in the White House?
As for McCain: It will be four more years of war in Iraq. I’m a Vietnam vet and verrrrrry pro-military but let’s face it folks: We were lied to by GWB about WMD to get the backing of the people and the Congress for this war that has killed our boys and girls for absolutely NO good benefit of the citizens of the USA. A vote for McCain simply prolongs this idiotic war. Doesn’t leave much of a choice, does it?

[Ex-SD]

Over the years, I have heard Hillary described as smart, intelligent, experienced, etc. but I have only see her stick her foot in her mouth and commit enough faux pas’ to get thrown out of any company that I ever worked for.
*First, she is for the Iraq War and then she’s not. The truth is that when she is really pigeonholed about the subject, she admits that she would not get us out of Iraq, post haste, if she became President.
*Her first action as First Lady was to insert herself in the business of the White House Travel Office where she fired the staff (many had been there for years) for absolutely no reason other than her trumped up accusations that they had done wrong. She promptly inserted some relatives of Harry and Linda Bloodworth Thomason (the rich and famous t.v. writer producers) to run the travel office. There was never any wrongdoing proven by any member of the former travel office staff.
*Remember when the allegations first arose about Bill having sex with an intern? Her first reaction was to go on national television and declare that this was all part of “vast, right-wing conspiracy” while Bill went before the nation and wagged his finger at the camera (Oh, I hate it when anyone does that) and declared that he did NOT have sex with THAT WOMAN! Then, a few other women surfaced and Hillary declared that all of them were just trying to bring him down and their stories had no credibility.
*Then, there were those pesky documents that Hillary claimed that she had never seen and were missing from a special, secure file room in the White House. After being questioned and a few weeks passed, the documents mysteriously re-appeared in the same file room from where they had been missing. They were analyzed and Hillary’s fingerprints were found all over the documents.
*And who could ever forget the famous, healthcare reform deal where she was going to work for nothing to head up a renowned committee of brainiacs who would fix healthcare in the good ole USA? She announced to the press that these people would all volunteer their time to do this massive good deed for the country and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayer one red cent. Problem is that after some time passed and a reporter got into the files……she had paid every, single one of them handsomely.

The bottom line is that she’s NOT smart, intelligent, experienced or capable and I don’t care if she were running from any party other than the Democrats, she IS NOT what this country needs. She & her low-life husband are power-mongers who simply want to turn the USA into a Socialist country. BTW: any of you who are too young to remember the items that I listed above…………all you have to do is Google them up. I wrote them from memory but they all happened just like I typed them. (and there’s plenty more) Do we really need another Clinton in the White House?
As for McCain: It will be four more years of war in Iraq. I’m a Vietnam vet and verrrrrry pro-military but let’s face it folks: We were lied to by GWB about WMD to get the backing of the people and the Congress for this war that has killed our boys and girls for absolutely NO good benefit of the citizens of the USA. A vote for McCain simply prolongs this idiotic war. Doesn’t leave much of a choice, does it?

[Ex-SD]

Over the years, I have heard Hillary described as smart, intelligent, experienced, etc. but I have only see her stick her foot in her mouth and commit enough faux pas’ to get thrown out of any company that I ever worked for.
*First, she is for the Iraq War and then she’s not. The truth is that when she is really pigeonholed about the subject, she admits that she would not get us out of Iraq, post haste, if she became President.
*Her first action as First Lady was to insert herself in the business of the White House Travel Office where she fired the staff (many had been there for years) for absolutely no reason other than her trumped up accusations that they had done wrong. She promptly inserted some relatives of Harry and Linda Bloodworth Thomason (the rich and famous t.v. writer producers) to run the travel office. There was never any wrongdoing proven by any member of the former travel office staff.
*Remember when the allegations first arose about Bill having sex with an intern? Her first reaction was to go on national television and declare that this was all part of “vast, right-wing conspiracy” while Bill went before the nation and wagged his finger at the camera (Oh, I hate it when anyone does that) and declared that he did NOT have sex with THAT WOMAN! Then, a few other women surfaced and Hillary declared that all of them were just trying to bring him down and their stories had no credibility.
*Then, there were those pesky documents that Hillary claimed that she had never seen and were missing from a special, secure file room in the White House. After being questioned and a few weeks passed, the documents mysteriously re-appeared in the same file room from where they had been missing. They were analyzed and Hillary’s fingerprints were found all over the documents.
*And who could ever forget the famous, healthcare reform deal where she was going to work for nothing to head up a renowned committee of brainiacs who would fix healthcare in the good ole USA? She announced to the press that these people would all volunteer their time to do this massive good deed for the country and it wouldn’t cost the taxpayer one red cent. Problem is that after some time passed and a reporter got into the files……she had paid every, single one of them handsomely.

The bottom line is that she’s NOT smart, intelligent, experienced or capable and I don’t care if she were running from any party other than the Democrats, she IS NOT what this country needs. She & her low-life husband are power-mongers who simply want to turn the USA into a Socialist country. BTW: any of you who are too young to remember the items that I listed above…………all you have to do is Google them up. I wrote them from memory but they all happened just like I typed them. (and there’s plenty more) Do we really need another Clinton in the White House?
As for McCain: It will be four more years of war in Iraq. I’m a Vietnam vet and verrrrrry pro-military but let’s face it folks: We were lied to by GWB about WMD to get the backing of the people and the Congress for this war that has killed our boys and girls for absolutely NO good benefit of the citizens of the USA. A vote for McCain simply prolongs this idiotic war. Doesn’t leave much of a choice, does it?

[Arty]

Talk about who should be in prison. First, both Regan and Bush sr. should be in prison because they literally funneled cracks into our ghettos to fund a war. Bush Jr. invaded a nation with out congressional approval and under faulty pretenses. Hillary is guilty, too, for been part of the inner political circle.

Obama is relatively new to the D.C. circle, so it will be hard to pin anything on him.

Regardless who will be President, if American public still keeps on spending like no tomorrow, one day we will all be regretting our decisions. Of course, we will not realized what a mistake that we made until it’s too late.

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

[Arty]

Talk about who should be in prison. First, both Regan and Bush sr. should be in prison because they literally funneled cracks into our ghettos to fund a war. Bush Jr. invaded a nation with out congressional approval and under faulty pretenses. Hillary is guilty, too, for been part of the inner political circle.

Obama is relatively new to the D.C. circle, so it will be hard to pin anything on him.

Regardless who will be President, if American public still keeps on spending like no tomorrow, one day we will all be regretting our decisions. Of course, we will not realized what a mistake that we made until it’s too late.

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

[Arty]

Talk about who should be in prison. First, both Regan and Bush sr. should be in prison because they literally funneled cracks into our ghettos to fund a war. Bush Jr. invaded a nation with out congressional approval and under faulty pretenses. Hillary is guilty, too, for been part of the inner political circle.

Obama is relatively new to the D.C. circle, so it will be hard to pin anything on him.

Regardless who will be President, if American public still keeps on spending like no tomorrow, one day we will all be regretting our decisions. Of course, we will not realized what a mistake that we made until it’s too late.

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

[Arty]

Talk about who should be in prison. First, both Regan and Bush sr. should be in prison because they literally funneled cracks into our ghettos to fund a war. Bush Jr. invaded a nation with out congressional approval and under faulty pretenses. Hillary is guilty, too, for been part of the inner political circle.

Obama is relatively new to the D.C. circle, so it will be hard to pin anything on him.

Regardless who will be President, if American public still keeps on spending like no tomorrow, one day we will all be regretting our decisions. Of course, we will not realized what a mistake that we made until it’s too late.

If McCain win, so what, he will probably go see St. Peter two year into his term due to old age. Therefore, I think who he choices to be his vice-president will be a very big factor at least for winning hard right-wingers.

[meadandale]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

LOL

This is just the tip of the iceberg with B&H

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

They should both be in PRISON.

Not to mention that Hillary is unabashedly a Socialist.

[meadandale]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

LOL

This is just the tip of the iceberg with B&H

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

They should both be in PRISON.

Not to mention that Hillary is unabashedly a Socialist.

[meadandale]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

LOL

This is just the tip of the iceberg with B&H

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

They should both be in PRISON.

Not to mention that Hillary is unabashedly a Socialist.

[meadandale]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

LOL

This is just the tip of the iceberg with B&H

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

They should both be in PRISON.

Not to mention that Hillary is unabashedly a Socialist.

[Anonymous]

Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.

[Anonymous]

Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.

[Anonymous]

Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.

[Anonymous]

Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.

[Diego Mamani]

I don’t understand the OP. The “three-way race” lasts only until the Democrats nominate their one presidential candidate. After that it’s going to be either McCain vs. Clinton (McCain wins) or McCain vs. Obama (Obama might win).

Regarding ZK‘s comment: being elected president is all, or mostly, about charisma. Whoever gets to the White House will have armies of highly talented speech-writers and expert advisors in all sort of areas. The president is a figurehead who is there to lead by inspiring and motivating. Of course, it’s true that the wrong kind of advisors (like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove) may be chosen by the president, but that is a post-election and post-inauguration issue.

To get back to my original point: H. Clinton lacks charisma. She’s bright and experienced, and the only issue of substance against her is that she appears to be politically to the left of her husband. But issues of substance are, for the most part, secondary in a presidential election: It’s charisma that matters, and she has little of it.

Even though she’s bright and experienced, she would never had made it this far in a presidential nomination without her First Lady experience. Why? Because she’s uncharismatic.

McCain and Obama, on the other hand, are extremely charismatic. I hope the Democrats see this and nominate Obama unless they want another eight years outside of the White House.

[Anonymous]

We already have real disaster perpetrated by the present regime, therefor I opt for change in the form of possible democratic chaos. It couldn’t be worse than we have now and, who knows, things might even get better!

I’d like to see Billary and Obama join the same ticket for a guaranteed win. Anything to prevent more of what we already have! The world hates us and things aren’t going well here either. I’d like to see change, even if it requires a slower economy. We don’t need to conquer the world, we need to get our dignity back.

[CMcG]

I am a Dem who will vote Hillary or Obama, whoever gets the nomination. My dad is a conservative Repub who was devastated when Romney dropped out. Romney was the only one of the front runners to address the jihadist Muslim threat. He thinks there will be a grass roots drive to write in Romney. Thoughts?

[Ricechex]

Doublewide, I am not a Hillary fan myself, but I think your argument focuses on the subordinate group–women, rather than men. Why blame Hillary for staying with him? Why not blame him for doing what he did?

[Enorah]

My father hates her, and my father hates women. I think it is hatred of women. I so wish there had been another woman to be first. And how sad is that, the first woman, only took 225 years or so.

Could have given an exact number of years, but my womanly brain was just to tired and emotional to do the math. 🙂

[kev374]

We don’t need additional taxes and Clinton is going to raise taxes which directly affect the middle class. The rich already have their tax shelters. Since the definition of upper middle class is not indexed for cost of living in a particular geographic area like it should be people in super high cost areas like LA are extremely squeezed by it.

Clinton’s universal health care plan is preposterous. She wants to forcibly deduct premiums from people’s paycheck. When is the last time you trusted a govertment based system to work? This system will just be more goverment bloat, mismanagement and waste. They will run a deficit in that program and not be able to provide any sort of quality care. Would you want to forcibly subscribe to poor quality healthcare? This is America and the choice should be individual.

Clinton’s plan to freeze interest rates for 5 years is a disaster and very poorly thought out. It will just postpone the inevitable. The best thing that can happen to most of these people is that they LOSE their home. They shouldn’t have been in it in the first place. They should be renters. The effect of freezing rates is that new loans will be much harder to get.

[vegasrenter]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

I just love these kind of statements from the Bush haters.

Also, the idea that Hillary-haters don’t like women is absurd. I know lots of Hillary-haters that loved Margaret Thatcher – It’s a matter of having class. And a John Wayne size dose of true grit, if I remember correctly.

[vegasrenter]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

I just love these kind of statements from the Bush haters.

Also, the idea that Hillary-haters don’t like women is absurd. I know lots of Hillary-haters that loved Margaret Thatcher – It’s a matter of having class. And a John Wayne size dose of true grit, if I remember correctly.

[vegasrenter]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

I just love these kind of statements from the Bush haters.

Also, the idea that Hillary-haters don’t like women is absurd. I know lots of Hillary-haters that loved Margaret Thatcher – It’s a matter of having class. And a John Wayne size dose of true grit, if I remember correctly.

[vegasrenter]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

I just love these kind of statements from the Bush haters.

Also, the idea that Hillary-haters don’t like women is absurd. I know lots of Hillary-haters that loved Margaret Thatcher – It’s a matter of having class. And a John Wayne size dose of true grit, if I remember correctly.

[vegasrenter]

“Some people just like to hate. They have no rational reasoning to explain it.”

I just love these kind of statements from the Bush haters.

Also, the idea that Hillary-haters don’t like women is absurd. I know lots of Hillary-haters that loved Margaret Thatcher – It’s a matter of having class. And a John Wayne size dose of true grit, if I remember correctly.

[kev374]

We don’t need additional taxes and Clinton is going to raise taxes which directly affect the middle class. The rich already have their tax shelters. Since the definition of upper middle class is not indexed for cost of living in a particular geographic area like it should be people in super high cost areas like LA are extremely squeezed by it.

Clinton’s universal health care plan is preposterous. She wants to forcibly deduct premiums from people’s paycheck. When is the last time you trusted a govertment based system to work? This system will just be more goverment bloat, mismanagement and waste. They will run a deficit in that program and not be able to provide any sort of quality care. Would you want to forcibly subscribe to poor quality healthcare? This is America and the choice should be individual.

Clinton’s plan to freeze interest rates for 5 years is a disaster and very poorly thought out. It will just postpone the inevitable. The best thing that can happen to most of these people is that they LOSE their home. They shouldn’t have been in it in the first place. They should be renters. The effect of freezing rates is that new loans will be much harder to get.

[kev374]

We don’t need additional taxes and Clinton is going to raise taxes which directly affect the middle class. The rich already have their tax shelters. Since the definition of upper middle class is not indexed for cost of living in a particular geographic area like it should be people in super high cost areas like LA are extremely squeezed by it.

Clinton’s universal health care plan is preposterous. She wants to forcibly deduct premiums from people’s paycheck. When is the last time you trusted a govertment based system to work? This system will just be more goverment bloat, mismanagement and waste. They will run a deficit in that program and not be able to provide any sort of quality care. Would you want to forcibly subscribe to poor quality healthcare? This is America and the choice should be individual.

Clinton’s plan to freeze interest rates for 5 years is a disaster and very poorly thought out. It will just postpone the inevitable. The best thing that can happen to most of these people is that they LOSE their home. They shouldn’t have been in it in the first place. They should be renters. The effect of freezing rates is that new loans will be much harder to get.

[kev374]

We don’t need additional taxes and Clinton is going to raise taxes which directly affect the middle class. The rich already have their tax shelters. Since the definition of upper middle class is not indexed for cost of living in a particular geographic area like it should be people in super high cost areas like LA are extremely squeezed by it.

Clinton’s universal health care plan is preposterous. She wants to forcibly deduct premiums from people’s paycheck. When is the last time you trusted a govertment based system to work? This system will just be more goverment bloat, mismanagement and waste. They will run a deficit in that program and not be able to provide any sort of quality care. Would you want to forcibly subscribe to poor quality healthcare? This is America and the choice should be individual.

Clinton’s plan to freeze interest rates for 5 years is a disaster and very poorly thought out. It will just postpone the inevitable. The best thing that can happen to most of these people is that they LOSE their home. They shouldn’t have been in it in the first place. They should be renters. The effect of freezing rates is that new loans will be much harder to get.

[kev374]

We don’t need additional taxes and Clinton is going to raise taxes which directly affect the middle class. The rich already have their tax shelters. Since the definition of upper middle class is not indexed for cost of living in a particular geographic area like it should be people in super high cost areas like LA are extremely squeezed by it.

Clinton’s universal health care plan is preposterous. She wants to forcibly deduct premiums from people’s paycheck. When is the last time you trusted a govertment based system to work? This system will just be more goverment bloat, mismanagement and waste. They will run a deficit in that program and not be able to provide any sort of quality care. Would you want to forcibly subscribe to poor quality healthcare? This is America and the choice should be individual.

Clinton’s plan to freeze interest rates for 5 years is a disaster and very poorly thought out. It will just postpone the inevitable. The best thing that can happen to most of these people is that they LOSE their home. They shouldn’t have been in it in the first place. They should be renters. The effect of freezing rates is that new loans will be much harder to get.

[Enorah]

My father hates her, and my father hates women. I think it is hatred of women. I so wish there had been another woman to be first. And how sad is that, the first woman, only took 225 years or so.

Could have given an exact number of years, but my womanly brain was just to tired and emotional to do the math. 🙂

[Enorah]

My father hates her, and my father hates women. I think it is hatred of women. I so wish there had been another woman to be first. And how sad is that, the first woman, only took 225 years or so.

Could have given an exact number of years, but my womanly brain was just to tired and emotional to do the math. 🙂

[Enorah]

My father hates her, and my father hates women. I think it is hatred of women. I so wish there had been another woman to be first. And how sad is that, the first woman, only took 225 years or so.

Could have given an exact number of years, but my womanly brain was just to tired and emotional to do the math. 🙂

[Enorah]

My father hates her, and my father hates women. I think it is hatred of women. I so wish there had been another woman to be first. And how sad is that, the first woman, only took 225 years or so.

Could have given an exact number of years, but my womanly brain was just to tired and emotional to do the math. 🙂

[doublewide]

Ricechex,

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got no more respect for Mr. C than the Mrs. For me it wasn’t about blame so much as her staying after he done her wrong. America is losing/has lost respect in the eyes of the whole world, we need someone who can scream “We’re not gonna take it” from the roof tops and she’s proven she will take it and ask for more please…Trust me, it’s not a man vs. woman with me, its about who’s got the biggest bollucks.

Doublewide

[patientlywaiting]

I’m an economic and social liberatarian but registered as a Republican for expediency. Mc Cain got my vote in the primary.

I’m not going to vote my pocket book this time.

In the general election, I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket because I believe that having a woman president, or a Black president will, in one swoop, repair our reputation around the world.

We’ll again be the country of hope and dreams where anything is possible. That message will be more powerful than any military accomplishment in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I would rather have Obama as president but I’ll support Hillary if she gets the nomination. Whoever gets the nomination will receive a check from me. I’m putting economic considerations aside to give a woman or a Black man a chance. It’s about time.

[robyns_song]

Are you kidding? You’re picking a president based on aesthetics? That’s like marrying someone you don’t know very well just because they look good; you know it’ll only end in an ugly divorce and cost you a pretty penny.

[Anonymous]

To be honest, I don’t like Hillary. She’s too overbearing and a hypocrit. I think Obama has more integrity. It’s all about votes with these politicians, the sole reason for the bailouts.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Don’t forget she lies. And, we’ll all get Bill back in the bargain (speaking of lying). Depending on who the Dems choose for VP, we’ll have a delightful little triumvirate, just like we did during the last Clintonista rule.

Lest anyone else further the nonsensical “Bush lied us into the war”, we need only consider the various pronouncements of Albright, Berger, and the rest of Clinton and Co. when it came to Iraq during the Clinton Administration tenure. Anyone remember The Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998? Operation Desert Fox? The Dems position on WMDs (including Kerry, Edwards, et al)?

If you enjoy Socialism, make certain to cast a vote for Hillary. I don’t know enough about Obama to make an informed decision about him, but, even so, he’s a much better choice than she is.

[Anonymous]

Allan, Clinton’s integrity is lacking. His convictions depend on what he can get away with. Bush is just plain evil, heartless, ridiculous, the lowest of the low.

Do you think if Obama gets the nomiation he would choose Hillary as a running mate? With that type of historical ticket, I’m sure the Dems would win the election. What do you think? I just don’t want Hillary (and Bill) at the helm. It is time for something new. The clintons had their chance.

Aside from and despite who gets the nomination, I’d still like to see a national healthcare system. Canada has one. Money on that would be better spent than war in Iraq, right?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: My understanding is that Obama and Hillary are like oil and water. Granted, this understanding is the product of reading a New York Times article about a meeting they had on a tarmac whilst awaiting flights, so it might be completely wrong. However, Obama has made no secret of his disdain for the way the Clinton attack machine (Bill and Hillary both) has gone after him personally and their attempts to discredit him.

Could they be persuaded by the DNC to team up “for the good of the party”? Anybody’s guess. It would be a helluva thing, though, and long overdue in terms of both race and gender. Obama strikes me as too intelligent and self-possessed to go for that, given that Bill would undoubtedly have an outsize role in a Hillary presidency.

Bush is evil? Like devil worshipping evil? Or, more garden variety, Bond villain evil?

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I think it would be hard for Obama to stomach either of the Clintons. I was thinking along the lines for good for the party.

Bush, not devil worshipping evil, rather self-aborbed, not caring for anyone but himself evil. Unconscionable. And no, I don’t believe his very televised “tears”. What person in their right mind would sit up and continue to read a story to children for 7 minutes while the twin towers were under attack? There are many instances of this behavior/attitude throughout his presidency.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I think those extra seven minutes reading in the children’s classroom were probably taken up with muddling through the “hard words”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I think those extra seven minutes reading in the children’s classroom were probably taken up with muddling through the “hard words”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I think those extra seven minutes reading in the children’s classroom were probably taken up with muddling through the “hard words”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I think those extra seven minutes reading in the children’s classroom were probably taken up with muddling through the “hard words”.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I think those extra seven minutes reading in the children’s classroom were probably taken up with muddling through the “hard words”.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been a democrat all my life, but often that is at odds with my conservative side.

Allan, are you liberal or conservative?

[Anonymous]

As to my question, it seems you answered before I posted. As to the “hard words”, yes that too.

Allan, what exactly are you conservative on? Does your religion play a part of that? Do you believe in abortion or even birth control?

[Anonymous]

I don’t believe in a lot of “handouts” in terms of welfare, and unemployment. We shouldn’t make it easy for people to take advantage of the system to the point they are not bettering themselves and are permanently living off taxpayers. OTOH, I cannot stomach the thought of mentally ill bagladies wasting away on the streets. There has to be funding to get these people off the street and healthy enough to become productive members of society. If they can’t, we need to bear the burden.

But I am for handouts to welfare mothers a helluva lot more than I am for handouts (bailouts) to financially secure assholes who felt they deserved a hummer and a million dollar house. No way. They need to hit the wall doing 90.

[Anonymous]

I don’t believe in a lot of “handouts” in terms of welfare, and unemployment. We shouldn’t make it easy for people to take advantage of the system to the point they are not bettering themselves and are permanently living off taxpayers. OTOH, I cannot stomach the thought of mentally ill bagladies wasting away on the streets. There has to be funding to get these people off the street and healthy enough to become productive members of society. If they can’t, we need to bear the burden.

But I am for handouts to welfare mothers a helluva lot more than I am for handouts (bailouts) to financially secure assholes who felt they deserved a hummer and a million dollar house. No way. They need to hit the wall doing 90.

[Anonymous]

I don’t believe in a lot of “handouts” in terms of welfare, and unemployment. We shouldn’t make it easy for people to take advantage of the system to the point they are not bettering themselves and are permanently living off taxpayers. OTOH, I cannot stomach the thought of mentally ill bagladies wasting away on the streets. There has to be funding to get these people off the street and healthy enough to become productive members of society. If they can’t, we need to bear the burden.

But I am for handouts to welfare mothers a helluva lot more than I am for handouts (bailouts) to financially secure assholes who felt they deserved a hummer and a million dollar house. No way. They need to hit the wall doing 90.

[Anonymous]

I don’t believe in a lot of “handouts” in terms of welfare, and unemployment. We shouldn’t make it easy for people to take advantage of the system to the point they are not bettering themselves and are permanently living off taxpayers. OTOH, I cannot stomach the thought of mentally ill bagladies wasting away on the streets. There has to be funding to get these people off the street and healthy enough to become productive members of society. If they can’t, we need to bear the burden.

But I am for handouts to welfare mothers a helluva lot more than I am for handouts (bailouts) to financially secure assholes who felt they deserved a hummer and a million dollar house. No way. They need to hit the wall doing 90.

[Anonymous]

I don’t believe in a lot of “handouts” in terms of welfare, and unemployment. We shouldn’t make it easy for people to take advantage of the system to the point they are not bettering themselves and are permanently living off taxpayers. OTOH, I cannot stomach the thought of mentally ill bagladies wasting away on the streets. There has to be funding to get these people off the street and healthy enough to become productive members of society. If they can’t, we need to bear the burden.

But I am for handouts to welfare mothers a helluva lot more than I am for handouts (bailouts) to financially secure assholes who felt they deserved a hummer and a million dollar house. No way. They need to hit the wall doing 90.

[gandalf]

Appreciate the thoughtful remarks. With Eisenhower, I admire his presidency because he presided over a time of general peace and prosperity where nothing happened. While he gets credit for being a good president, he is often overlooked as one of the greats in part because nothing really happened on his watch. Conservatives of all people appreciate what a work of greatness it is to be president of a government where nothing happens, where the list of accomplishments flowing forth from DC is overshadowed by the general peace and prosperity of the nation.

While every president receives too much credit for what happens with the economy on their watch, Eisenhower receives too little credit for his brilliant vision, for guiding the country and its foreign relations towards reasonably successful, bipartisan and uneventful outcomes during his years. His career was full of examples of this kind of quiet effective leadership, but the most significant was clearly ‘managing’ the war, mustering all of the resources and personalities required to win it. To my mind, there have been a few presidents that governed in the model of George Washington. Eisenhower was one of them.

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

[Anonymous]

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

Obama also received Caroline Kennedy’s endorsement.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m a little less shocked about Obama receiving Caroline Kennedy’s, than Susan Eisenhower’s.

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

[Anonymous]

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

No, I don’t forgive you. I’ll tell you how often I go to church. I guess church attendance is a private matter, then?
What are you afraid of?

[Anonymous]

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

No, I don’t forgive you. I’ll tell you how often I go to church. I guess church attendance is a private matter, then?
What are you afraid of?

[Anonymous]

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

No, I don’t forgive you. I’ll tell you how often I go to church. I guess church attendance is a private matter, then?
What are you afraid of?

[Anonymous]

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

No, I don’t forgive you. I’ll tell you how often I go to church. I guess church attendance is a private matter, then?
What are you afraid of?

[Anonymous]

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

No, I don’t forgive you. I’ll tell you how often I go to church. I guess church attendance is a private matter, then?
What are you afraid of?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m a little less shocked about Obama receiving Caroline Kennedy’s, than Susan Eisenhower’s.

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m a little less shocked about Obama receiving Caroline Kennedy’s, than Susan Eisenhower’s.

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m a little less shocked about Obama receiving Caroline Kennedy’s, than Susan Eisenhower’s.

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m a little less shocked about Obama receiving Caroline Kennedy’s, than Susan Eisenhower’s.

You’ll forgive me if I sidestep that church attendance question, won’t you?

[Anonymous]

On abortion, I’m in between the two camps. I’m against it; I think it’s a sin. But would I do it? Yes. Would I tell someone else they can’t? No. It’s the individual’s body. HOWEVER, and I’ve stated this before, if a woman tries to get one at 4,5,6 months, she should be tied down and stopped. That is simply disgusting.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

Interesting that you think it is a sin, but would have one yourself. Somewhat expedient, don’t you think? Not judging, simply making an observation.

[Anonymous]

Spill your guts to me, Allan, and I may return the favor.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Ha! Remember what happened the last time? Besides, I wouldn’t want to give you nightmares.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Ha! Remember what happened the last time? Besides, I wouldn’t want to give you nightmares.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Ha! Remember what happened the last time? Besides, I wouldn’t want to give you nightmares.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Ha! Remember what happened the last time? Besides, I wouldn’t want to give you nightmares.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Ha! Remember what happened the last time? Besides, I wouldn’t want to give you nightmares.

[Anonymous]

Spill your guts to me, Allan, and I may return the favor.

[Anonymous]

Spill your guts to me, Allan, and I may return the favor.

[Anonymous]

Spill your guts to me, Allan, and I may return the favor.

[Anonymous]

Spill your guts to me, Allan, and I may return the favor.

[Anonymous]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

This isn’t clear. So, would you personally be ok with one that involved you?

[Anonymous]

I will reveal that I believe life starts at conception, which means in my view, abortion is murder at ANY month.

So, if a woman has an abortion, myself including, she is commiting murder. I won’t beat the dead horse after this, but the women who toddle into the abortion clinic with a large belly and a fully formed child in their womb should not be tolerated in our society. At that point, that woman should be turned away-after she’s slapped.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: You said you would have an abortion in an earlier post. So, in that instance, you would be committing murder, correct?

I’m apparently the one who isn’t understanding here.

[Anonymous]

Yes. I would be committing murder.

You said you had issues, apparently you feel abortion is murder as well. So, would you make a joint decision with a woman to abort a child you fathered?

Well, I need to do some chores. You can e-mail me personally to finish this. You’re getting uncomfortable here on this forum. Use it, unless you feel there’s something wrong in talking to me.

[email protected]

[Anonymous]

Before I go, a point to anyone else reading about the abortion issue. I do feel it’s murder. Therefore, I don’t put myself in the position of making a mistake because of my religious and moral convictions. I don’t know how many women share my views, but I would rather make it so that I am not able to reproduce again than to accidently become pregnant with a pregnancy that I would feel compelled to terminate.

I do not want to bring another child into this world. It’s an ugly world, and I am done with raising little ones.

If women were more responsible with their behaviors, I think abortion wouldn’t be the issue it is today.

End rant. 🙂

[Anonymous]

Before I go, a point to anyone else reading about the abortion issue. I do feel it’s murder. Therefore, I don’t put myself in the position of making a mistake because of my religious and moral convictions. I don’t know how many women share my views, but I would rather make it so that I am not able to reproduce again than to accidently become pregnant with a pregnancy that I would feel compelled to terminate.

I do not want to bring another child into this world. It’s an ugly world, and I am done with raising little ones.

If women were more responsible with their behaviors, I think abortion wouldn’t be the issue it is today.

End rant. 🙂

[Anonymous]

Before I go, a point to anyone else reading about the abortion issue. I do feel it’s murder. Therefore, I don’t put myself in the position of making a mistake because of my religious and moral convictions. I don’t know how many women share my views, but I would rather make it so that I am not able to reproduce again than to accidently become pregnant with a pregnancy that I would feel compelled to terminate.

I do not want to bring another child into this world. It’s an ugly world, and I am done with raising little ones.

If women were more responsible with their behaviors, I think abortion wouldn’t be the issue it is today.

End rant. 🙂

[Anonymous]

Before I go, a point to anyone else reading about the abortion issue. I do feel it’s murder. Therefore, I don’t put myself in the position of making a mistake because of my religious and moral convictions. I don’t know how many women share my views, but I would rather make it so that I am not able to reproduce again than to accidently become pregnant with a pregnancy that I would feel compelled to terminate.

I do not want to bring another child into this world. It’s an ugly world, and I am done with raising little ones.

If women were more responsible with their behaviors, I think abortion wouldn’t be the issue it is today.

End rant. 🙂

[Anonymous]

Before I go, a point to anyone else reading about the abortion issue. I do feel it’s murder. Therefore, I don’t put myself in the position of making a mistake because of my religious and moral convictions. I don’t know how many women share my views, but I would rather make it so that I am not able to reproduce again than to accidently become pregnant with a pregnancy that I would feel compelled to terminate.

I do not want to bring another child into this world. It’s an ugly world, and I am done with raising little ones.

If women were more responsible with their behaviors, I think abortion wouldn’t be the issue it is today.

End rant. 🙂

[Anonymous]

Yes. I would be committing murder.

You said you had issues, apparently you feel abortion is murder as well. So, would you make a joint decision with a woman to abort a child you fathered?

Well, I need to do some chores. You can e-mail me personally to finish this. You’re getting uncomfortable here on this forum. Use it, unless you feel there’s something wrong in talking to me.

[email protected]

[Anonymous]

Yes. I would be committing murder.

You said you had issues, apparently you feel abortion is murder as well. So, would you make a joint decision with a woman to abort a child you fathered?

Well, I need to do some chores. You can e-mail me personally to finish this. You’re getting uncomfortable here on this forum. Use it, unless you feel there’s something wrong in talking to me.

[email protected]

[Anonymous]

Yes. I would be committing murder.

You said you had issues, apparently you feel abortion is murder as well. So, would you make a joint decision with a woman to abort a child you fathered?

Well, I need to do some chores. You can e-mail me personally to finish this. You’re getting uncomfortable here on this forum. Use it, unless you feel there’s something wrong in talking to me.

[email protected]

[Anonymous]

Yes. I would be committing murder.

You said you had issues, apparently you feel abortion is murder as well. So, would you make a joint decision with a woman to abort a child you fathered?

Well, I need to do some chores. You can e-mail me personally to finish this. You’re getting uncomfortable here on this forum. Use it, unless you feel there’s something wrong in talking to me.

[email protected]

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: You said you would have an abortion in an earlier post. So, in that instance, you would be committing murder, correct?

I’m apparently the one who isn’t understanding here.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: You said you would have an abortion in an earlier post. So, in that instance, you would be committing murder, correct?

I’m apparently the one who isn’t understanding here.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: You said you would have an abortion in an earlier post. So, in that instance, you would be committing murder, correct?

I’m apparently the one who isn’t understanding here.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: You said you would have an abortion in an earlier post. So, in that instance, you would be committing murder, correct?

I’m apparently the one who isn’t understanding here.

[Anonymous]

I will reveal that I believe life starts at conception, which means in my view, abortion is murder at ANY month.

So, if a woman has an abortion, myself including, she is commiting murder. I won’t beat the dead horse after this, but the women who toddle into the abortion clinic with a large belly and a fully formed child in their womb should not be tolerated in our society. At that point, that woman should be turned away-after she’s slapped.

[Anonymous]

I will reveal that I believe life starts at conception, which means in my view, abortion is murder at ANY month.

So, if a woman has an abortion, myself including, she is commiting murder. I won’t beat the dead horse after this, but the women who toddle into the abortion clinic with a large belly and a fully formed child in their womb should not be tolerated in our society. At that point, that woman should be turned away-after she’s slapped.

[Anonymous]

I will reveal that I believe life starts at conception, which means in my view, abortion is murder at ANY month.

So, if a woman has an abortion, myself including, she is commiting murder. I won’t beat the dead horse after this, but the women who toddle into the abortion clinic with a large belly and a fully formed child in their womb should not be tolerated in our society. At that point, that woman should be turned away-after she’s slapped.

[Anonymous]

I will reveal that I believe life starts at conception, which means in my view, abortion is murder at ANY month.

So, if a woman has an abortion, myself including, she is commiting murder. I won’t beat the dead horse after this, but the women who toddle into the abortion clinic with a large belly and a fully formed child in their womb should not be tolerated in our society. At that point, that woman should be turned away-after she’s slapped.

[Anonymous]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

This isn’t clear. So, would you personally be ok with one that involved you?

[Anonymous]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

This isn’t clear. So, would you personally be ok with one that involved you?

[Anonymous]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

This isn’t clear. So, would you personally be ok with one that involved you?

[Anonymous]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

This isn’t clear. So, would you personally be ok with one that involved you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

Interesting that you think it is a sin, but would have one yourself. Somewhat expedient, don’t you think? Not judging, simply making an observation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

Interesting that you think it is a sin, but would have one yourself. Somewhat expedient, don’t you think? Not judging, simply making an observation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

Interesting that you think it is a sin, but would have one yourself. Somewhat expedient, don’t you think? Not judging, simply making an observation.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Politically, I’m pro-choice. It’s the law of the land. Spiritually, I have my issues with it, but would agree with the sentiment that I don’t possess the right to tell someone else what to do, nor am I the arbiter of what is right or wrong. I know what I believe, but it is my belief.

Interesting that you think it is a sin, but would have one yourself. Somewhat expedient, don’t you think? Not judging, simply making an observation.

[Anonymous]

On abortion, I’m in between the two camps. I’m against it; I think it’s a sin. But would I do it? Yes. Would I tell someone else they can’t? No. It’s the individual’s body. HOWEVER, and I’ve stated this before, if a woman tries to get one at 4,5,6 months, she should be tied down and stopped. That is simply disgusting.

[Anonymous]

On abortion, I’m in between the two camps. I’m against it; I think it’s a sin. But would I do it? Yes. Would I tell someone else they can’t? No. It’s the individual’s body. HOWEVER, and I’ve stated this before, if a woman tries to get one at 4,5,6 months, she should be tied down and stopped. That is simply disgusting.

[Anonymous]

On abortion, I’m in between the two camps. I’m against it; I think it’s a sin. But would I do it? Yes. Would I tell someone else they can’t? No. It’s the individual’s body. HOWEVER, and I’ve stated this before, if a woman tries to get one at 4,5,6 months, she should be tied down and stopped. That is simply disgusting.

[Anonymous]

On abortion, I’m in between the two camps. I’m against it; I think it’s a sin. But would I do it? Yes. Would I tell someone else they can’t? No. It’s the individual’s body. HOWEVER, and I’ve stated this before, if a woman tries to get one at 4,5,6 months, she should be tied down and stopped. That is simply disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

Obama also received Caroline Kennedy’s endorsement.

[Anonymous]

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

Obama also received Caroline Kennedy’s endorsement.

[Anonymous]

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

Obama also received Caroline Kennedy’s endorsement.

[Anonymous]

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

Obama also received Caroline Kennedy’s endorsement.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I guess I find it hard to argue with that. I think Ike’s management of the various personalities during WWII (especially the nasty relationship between Patton and Montgomery) bear testament to that. Between Truman and Kennedy, historically speaking, it’s like there is this eight year gap, where absolutely nothing appeared to happen.

Very interesting about Susan Eisenhower crossing the aisle. I think there is a huge reservoir of disenchantment with business as usual and politics as usual, and Obama’s surging numbers reflect that. It is also fascinating to watch the lengths the Clintons are willing to go to secure this nomination. I have to believe that there are dozens of progressive liberal pundits that are secretly appalled with what is going on right now. That Jesse Jackson remark that Bill Clinton made would have gotten a white Republican strung up by his privates for saying the same thing.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I guess I find it hard to argue with that. I think Ike’s management of the various personalities during WWII (especially the nasty relationship between Patton and Montgomery) bear testament to that. Between Truman and Kennedy, historically speaking, it’s like there is this eight year gap, where absolutely nothing appeared to happen.

Very interesting about Susan Eisenhower crossing the aisle. I think there is a huge reservoir of disenchantment with business as usual and politics as usual, and Obama’s surging numbers reflect that. It is also fascinating to watch the lengths the Clintons are willing to go to secure this nomination. I have to believe that there are dozens of progressive liberal pundits that are secretly appalled with what is going on right now. That Jesse Jackson remark that Bill Clinton made would have gotten a white Republican strung up by his privates for saying the same thing.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I guess I find it hard to argue with that. I think Ike’s management of the various personalities during WWII (especially the nasty relationship between Patton and Montgomery) bear testament to that. Between Truman and Kennedy, historically speaking, it’s like there is this eight year gap, where absolutely nothing appeared to happen.

Very interesting about Susan Eisenhower crossing the aisle. I think there is a huge reservoir of disenchantment with business as usual and politics as usual, and Obama’s surging numbers reflect that. It is also fascinating to watch the lengths the Clintons are willing to go to secure this nomination. I have to believe that there are dozens of progressive liberal pundits that are secretly appalled with what is going on right now. That Jesse Jackson remark that Bill Clinton made would have gotten a white Republican strung up by his privates for saying the same thing.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I guess I find it hard to argue with that. I think Ike’s management of the various personalities during WWII (especially the nasty relationship between Patton and Montgomery) bear testament to that. Between Truman and Kennedy, historically speaking, it’s like there is this eight year gap, where absolutely nothing appeared to happen.

Very interesting about Susan Eisenhower crossing the aisle. I think there is a huge reservoir of disenchantment with business as usual and politics as usual, and Obama’s surging numbers reflect that. It is also fascinating to watch the lengths the Clintons are willing to go to secure this nomination. I have to believe that there are dozens of progressive liberal pundits that are secretly appalled with what is going on right now. That Jesse Jackson remark that Bill Clinton made would have gotten a white Republican strung up by his privates for saying the same thing.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I guess I find it hard to argue with that. I think Ike’s management of the various personalities during WWII (especially the nasty relationship between Patton and Montgomery) bear testament to that. Between Truman and Kennedy, historically speaking, it’s like there is this eight year gap, where absolutely nothing appeared to happen.

Very interesting about Susan Eisenhower crossing the aisle. I think there is a huge reservoir of disenchantment with business as usual and politics as usual, and Obama’s surging numbers reflect that. It is also fascinating to watch the lengths the Clintons are willing to go to secure this nomination. I have to believe that there are dozens of progressive liberal pundits that are secretly appalled with what is going on right now. That Jesse Jackson remark that Bill Clinton made would have gotten a white Republican strung up by his privates for saying the same thing.

[gandalf]

Appreciate the thoughtful remarks. With Eisenhower, I admire his presidency because he presided over a time of general peace and prosperity where nothing happened. While he gets credit for being a good president, he is often overlooked as one of the greats in part because nothing really happened on his watch. Conservatives of all people appreciate what a work of greatness it is to be president of a government where nothing happens, where the list of accomplishments flowing forth from DC is overshadowed by the general peace and prosperity of the nation.

While every president receives too much credit for what happens with the economy on their watch, Eisenhower receives too little credit for his brilliant vision, for guiding the country and its foreign relations towards reasonably successful, bipartisan and uneventful outcomes during his years. His career was full of examples of this kind of quiet effective leadership, but the most significant was clearly ‘managing’ the war, mustering all of the resources and personalities required to win it. To my mind, there have been a few presidents that governed in the model of George Washington. Eisenhower was one of them.

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

[gandalf]

Appreciate the thoughtful remarks. With Eisenhower, I admire his presidency because he presided over a time of general peace and prosperity where nothing happened. While he gets credit for being a good president, he is often overlooked as one of the greats in part because nothing really happened on his watch. Conservatives of all people appreciate what a work of greatness it is to be president of a government where nothing happens, where the list of accomplishments flowing forth from DC is overshadowed by the general peace and prosperity of the nation.

While every president receives too much credit for what happens with the economy on their watch, Eisenhower receives too little credit for his brilliant vision, for guiding the country and its foreign relations towards reasonably successful, bipartisan and uneventful outcomes during his years. His career was full of examples of this kind of quiet effective leadership, but the most significant was clearly ‘managing’ the war, mustering all of the resources and personalities required to win it. To my mind, there have been a few presidents that governed in the model of George Washington. Eisenhower was one of them.

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

[gandalf]

Appreciate the thoughtful remarks. With Eisenhower, I admire his presidency because he presided over a time of general peace and prosperity where nothing happened. While he gets credit for being a good president, he is often overlooked as one of the greats in part because nothing really happened on his watch. Conservatives of all people appreciate what a work of greatness it is to be president of a government where nothing happens, where the list of accomplishments flowing forth from DC is overshadowed by the general peace and prosperity of the nation.

While every president receives too much credit for what happens with the economy on their watch, Eisenhower receives too little credit for his brilliant vision, for guiding the country and its foreign relations towards reasonably successful, bipartisan and uneventful outcomes during his years. His career was full of examples of this kind of quiet effective leadership, but the most significant was clearly ‘managing’ the war, mustering all of the resources and personalities required to win it. To my mind, there have been a few presidents that governed in the model of George Washington. Eisenhower was one of them.

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

[gandalf]

Appreciate the thoughtful remarks. With Eisenhower, I admire his presidency because he presided over a time of general peace and prosperity where nothing happened. While he gets credit for being a good president, he is often overlooked as one of the greats in part because nothing really happened on his watch. Conservatives of all people appreciate what a work of greatness it is to be president of a government where nothing happens, where the list of accomplishments flowing forth from DC is overshadowed by the general peace and prosperity of the nation.

While every president receives too much credit for what happens with the economy on their watch, Eisenhower receives too little credit for his brilliant vision, for guiding the country and its foreign relations towards reasonably successful, bipartisan and uneventful outcomes during his years. His career was full of examples of this kind of quiet effective leadership, but the most significant was clearly ‘managing’ the war, mustering all of the resources and personalities required to win it. To my mind, there have been a few presidents that governed in the model of George Washington. Eisenhower was one of them.

Susan Eisenhower, Ike’s granddaughter, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post last week endorsing Obama. She’s a life-long member of the Republican Party who is crossing lines to support Obama. She sees the same things we do. Time to turn the page.

[Anonymous]

As to my question, it seems you answered before I posted. As to the “hard words”, yes that too.

Allan, what exactly are you conservative on? Does your religion play a part of that? Do you believe in abortion or even birth control?

[Anonymous]

As to my question, it seems you answered before I posted. As to the “hard words”, yes that too.

Allan, what exactly are you conservative on? Does your religion play a part of that? Do you believe in abortion or even birth control?

[Anonymous]

As to my question, it seems you answered before I posted. As to the “hard words”, yes that too.

Allan, what exactly are you conservative on? Does your religion play a part of that? Do you believe in abortion or even birth control?

[Anonymous]

As to my question, it seems you answered before I posted. As to the “hard words”, yes that too.

Allan, what exactly are you conservative on? Does your religion play a part of that? Do you believe in abortion or even birth control?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

[Anonymous]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

I’m against the death penalty as well. That’s your Catholism coming out, isn’t it? Pro-choice? I figured you were.

Birth Control?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Well, given my high school days, I am all FOR birth control! Kidding aside, I am for birth control. I think a lot of issues the world over could be better handled in conjunction with an easily accessible contraception program, and one that works with targeted education about hygiene, child care and disease prevention. I know that puts me squarely at odds with the Mother Church on the subject, but so be it. On certain issues, the Catholic Church needs to come out of the Middle Ages (or Dark Ages, as the case may be).

And, yeah, the Jesuit in me has a real problem with the death penalty. Nothing better than state sponsored murder, in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Given your position on abortion, I knew what your choice would likely be on birth control. Of course, the reason I brought it up is that your church is against it. I wonder how firmly “into” Catholism you are. Do you dutifully attend mass every week?

[Anonymous]

Given your position on abortion, I knew what your choice would likely be on birth control. Of course, the reason I brought it up is that your church is against it. I wonder how firmly “into” Catholism you are. Do you dutifully attend mass every week?

[Anonymous]

Given your position on abortion, I knew what your choice would likely be on birth control. Of course, the reason I brought it up is that your church is against it. I wonder how firmly “into” Catholism you are. Do you dutifully attend mass every week?

[Anonymous]

Given your position on abortion, I knew what your choice would likely be on birth control. Of course, the reason I brought it up is that your church is against it. I wonder how firmly “into” Catholism you are. Do you dutifully attend mass every week?

[Anonymous]

Given your position on abortion, I knew what your choice would likely be on birth control. Of course, the reason I brought it up is that your church is against it. I wonder how firmly “into” Catholism you are. Do you dutifully attend mass every week?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Well, given my high school days, I am all FOR birth control! Kidding aside, I am for birth control. I think a lot of issues the world over could be better handled in conjunction with an easily accessible contraception program, and one that works with targeted education about hygiene, child care and disease prevention. I know that puts me squarely at odds with the Mother Church on the subject, but so be it. On certain issues, the Catholic Church needs to come out of the Middle Ages (or Dark Ages, as the case may be).

And, yeah, the Jesuit in me has a real problem with the death penalty. Nothing better than state sponsored murder, in my opinion.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Well, given my high school days, I am all FOR birth control! Kidding aside, I am for birth control. I think a lot of issues the world over could be better handled in conjunction with an easily accessible contraception program, and one that works with targeted education about hygiene, child care and disease prevention. I know that puts me squarely at odds with the Mother Church on the subject, but so be it. On certain issues, the Catholic Church needs to come out of the Middle Ages (or Dark Ages, as the case may be).

And, yeah, the Jesuit in me has a real problem with the death penalty. Nothing better than state sponsored murder, in my opinion.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Well, given my high school days, I am all FOR birth control! Kidding aside, I am for birth control. I think a lot of issues the world over could be better handled in conjunction with an easily accessible contraception program, and one that works with targeted education about hygiene, child care and disease prevention. I know that puts me squarely at odds with the Mother Church on the subject, but so be it. On certain issues, the Catholic Church needs to come out of the Middle Ages (or Dark Ages, as the case may be).

And, yeah, the Jesuit in me has a real problem with the death penalty. Nothing better than state sponsored murder, in my opinion.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Well, given my high school days, I am all FOR birth control! Kidding aside, I am for birth control. I think a lot of issues the world over could be better handled in conjunction with an easily accessible contraception program, and one that works with targeted education about hygiene, child care and disease prevention. I know that puts me squarely at odds with the Mother Church on the subject, but so be it. On certain issues, the Catholic Church needs to come out of the Middle Ages (or Dark Ages, as the case may be).

And, yeah, the Jesuit in me has a real problem with the death penalty. Nothing better than state sponsored murder, in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

I’m against the death penalty as well. That’s your Catholism coming out, isn’t it? Pro-choice? I figured you were.

Birth Control?

[Anonymous]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

I’m against the death penalty as well. That’s your Catholism coming out, isn’t it? Pro-choice? I figured you were.

Birth Control?

[Anonymous]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

I’m against the death penalty as well. That’s your Catholism coming out, isn’t it? Pro-choice? I figured you were.

Birth Control?

[Anonymous]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

I’m against the death penalty as well. That’s your Catholism coming out, isn’t it? Pro-choice? I figured you were.

Birth Control?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I’m slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. I do differ from mainstream Republicans on abortion (pro-choice) and the death penalty (against it).

[Anonymous]

I’ve been a democrat all my life, but often that is at odds with my conservative side.

Allan, are you liberal or conservative?

[Anonymous]

I’ve been a democrat all my life, but often that is at odds with my conservative side.

Allan, are you liberal or conservative?

[Anonymous]

I’ve been a democrat all my life, but often that is at odds with my conservative side.

Allan, are you liberal or conservative?

[Anonymous]

I’ve been a democrat all my life, but often that is at odds with my conservative side.

Allan, are you liberal or conservative?

[gandalf]

Our response to 9/11 has left me dumbstruck. The analogy for me has been ‘playing checkers on a chessboard’. The strategic impact of the past 7 years has been terribly negative.

Bloomberg has been a good mayor for NYC. I think he’ll get into the race somehow. His record illustrates the difference between ‘campaigning’ and ‘governing’.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I would agree that our post-9/11 strategy leaves a lot to be desired. In truth, though, our “pre” 9/11 strategy (the 50 years prior) weren’t so hot, either.

I would ascribe our foreign policy failures to two things: The “balance of power”/USSR containment strategy, and our support of colonial powers like France and Great Britain, and the post-colonial nightmares they spawned. All of the seeds of our present distress were sown in those times, and as a result of those strategies and policies.

You need look no further than a picture of FDR with ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia near the close of WWII to see what direction things were heading in. Or our support of de Gaulle (because we wanted France in NATO) and his little Indochinese adventure.

George Washington was right on the money regarding foreign entanglements. Problem is, how do we get the oil, raw and finished goods, etc to our shores without them?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I would agree that our post-9/11 strategy leaves a lot to be desired. In truth, though, our “pre” 9/11 strategy (the 50 years prior) weren’t so hot, either.

I would ascribe our foreign policy failures to two things: The “balance of power”/USSR containment strategy, and our support of colonial powers like France and Great Britain, and the post-colonial nightmares they spawned. All of the seeds of our present distress were sown in those times, and as a result of those strategies and policies.

You need look no further than a picture of FDR with ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia near the close of WWII to see what direction things were heading in. Or our support of de Gaulle (because we wanted France in NATO) and his little Indochinese adventure.

George Washington was right on the money regarding foreign entanglements. Problem is, how do we get the oil, raw and finished goods, etc to our shores without them?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I would agree that our post-9/11 strategy leaves a lot to be desired. In truth, though, our “pre” 9/11 strategy (the 50 years prior) weren’t so hot, either.

I would ascribe our foreign policy failures to two things: The “balance of power”/USSR containment strategy, and our support of colonial powers like France and Great Britain, and the post-colonial nightmares they spawned. All of the seeds of our present distress were sown in those times, and as a result of those strategies and policies.

You need look no further than a picture of FDR with ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia near the close of WWII to see what direction things were heading in. Or our support of de Gaulle (because we wanted France in NATO) and his little Indochinese adventure.

George Washington was right on the money regarding foreign entanglements. Problem is, how do we get the oil, raw and finished goods, etc to our shores without them?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I would agree that our post-9/11 strategy leaves a lot to be desired. In truth, though, our “pre” 9/11 strategy (the 50 years prior) weren’t so hot, either.

I would ascribe our foreign policy failures to two things: The “balance of power”/USSR containment strategy, and our support of colonial powers like France and Great Britain, and the post-colonial nightmares they spawned. All of the seeds of our present distress were sown in those times, and as a result of those strategies and policies.

You need look no further than a picture of FDR with ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia near the close of WWII to see what direction things were heading in. Or our support of de Gaulle (because we wanted France in NATO) and his little Indochinese adventure.

George Washington was right on the money regarding foreign entanglements. Problem is, how do we get the oil, raw and finished goods, etc to our shores without them?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I would agree that our post-9/11 strategy leaves a lot to be desired. In truth, though, our “pre” 9/11 strategy (the 50 years prior) weren’t so hot, either.

I would ascribe our foreign policy failures to two things: The “balance of power”/USSR containment strategy, and our support of colonial powers like France and Great Britain, and the post-colonial nightmares they spawned. All of the seeds of our present distress were sown in those times, and as a result of those strategies and policies.

You need look no further than a picture of FDR with ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia near the close of WWII to see what direction things were heading in. Or our support of de Gaulle (because we wanted France in NATO) and his little Indochinese adventure.

George Washington was right on the money regarding foreign entanglements. Problem is, how do we get the oil, raw and finished goods, etc to our shores without them?

[gandalf]

Our response to 9/11 has left me dumbstruck. The analogy for me has been ‘playing checkers on a chessboard’. The strategic impact of the past 7 years has been terribly negative.

Bloomberg has been a good mayor for NYC. I think he’ll get into the race somehow. His record illustrates the difference between ‘campaigning’ and ‘governing’.

[gandalf]

Our response to 9/11 has left me dumbstruck. The analogy for me has been ‘playing checkers on a chessboard’. The strategic impact of the past 7 years has been terribly negative.

Bloomberg has been a good mayor for NYC. I think he’ll get into the race somehow. His record illustrates the difference between ‘campaigning’ and ‘governing’.

[gandalf]

Our response to 9/11 has left me dumbstruck. The analogy for me has been ‘playing checkers on a chessboard’. The strategic impact of the past 7 years has been terribly negative.

Bloomberg has been a good mayor for NYC. I think he’ll get into the race somehow. His record illustrates the difference between ‘campaigning’ and ‘governing’.

[gandalf]

Our response to 9/11 has left me dumbstruck. The analogy for me has been ‘playing checkers on a chessboard’. The strategic impact of the past 7 years has been terribly negative.

Bloomberg has been a good mayor for NYC. I think he’ll get into the race somehow. His record illustrates the difference between ‘campaigning’ and ‘governing’.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I think it would be hard for Obama to stomach either of the Clintons. I was thinking along the lines for good for the party.

Bush, not devil worshipping evil, rather self-aborbed, not caring for anyone but himself evil. Unconscionable. And no, I don’t believe his very televised “tears”. What person in their right mind would sit up and continue to read a story to children for 7 minutes while the twin towers were under attack? There are many instances of this behavior/attitude throughout his presidency.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I think it would be hard for Obama to stomach either of the Clintons. I was thinking along the lines for good for the party.

Bush, not devil worshipping evil, rather self-aborbed, not caring for anyone but himself evil. Unconscionable. And no, I don’t believe his very televised “tears”. What person in their right mind would sit up and continue to read a story to children for 7 minutes while the twin towers were under attack? There are many instances of this behavior/attitude throughout his presidency.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I think it would be hard for Obama to stomach either of the Clintons. I was thinking along the lines for good for the party.

Bush, not devil worshipping evil, rather self-aborbed, not caring for anyone but himself evil. Unconscionable. And no, I don’t believe his very televised “tears”. What person in their right mind would sit up and continue to read a story to children for 7 minutes while the twin towers were under attack? There are many instances of this behavior/attitude throughout his presidency.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I think it would be hard for Obama to stomach either of the Clintons. I was thinking along the lines for good for the party.

Bush, not devil worshipping evil, rather self-aborbed, not caring for anyone but himself evil. Unconscionable. And no, I don’t believe his very televised “tears”. What person in their right mind would sit up and continue to read a story to children for 7 minutes while the twin towers were under attack? There are many instances of this behavior/attitude throughout his presidency.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: My understanding is that Obama and Hillary are like oil and water. Granted, this understanding is the product of reading a New York Times article about a meeting they had on a tarmac whilst awaiting flights, so it might be completely wrong. However, Obama has made no secret of his disdain for the way the Clinton attack machine (Bill and Hillary both) has gone after him personally and their attempts to discredit him.

Could they be persuaded by the DNC to team up “for the good of the party”? Anybody’s guess. It would be a helluva thing, though, and long overdue in terms of both race and gender. Obama strikes me as too intelligent and self-possessed to go for that, given that Bill would undoubtedly have an outsize role in a Hillary presidency.

Bush is evil? Like devil worshipping evil? Or, more garden variety, Bond villain evil?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: My understanding is that Obama and Hillary are like oil and water. Granted, this understanding is the product of reading a New York Times article about a meeting they had on a tarmac whilst awaiting flights, so it might be completely wrong. However, Obama has made no secret of his disdain for the way the Clinton attack machine (Bill and Hillary both) has gone after him personally and their attempts to discredit him.

Could they be persuaded by the DNC to team up “for the good of the party”? Anybody’s guess. It would be a helluva thing, though, and long overdue in terms of both race and gender. Obama strikes me as too intelligent and self-possessed to go for that, given that Bill would undoubtedly have an outsize role in a Hillary presidency.

Bush is evil? Like devil worshipping evil? Or, more garden variety, Bond villain evil?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: My understanding is that Obama and Hillary are like oil and water. Granted, this understanding is the product of reading a New York Times article about a meeting they had on a tarmac whilst awaiting flights, so it might be completely wrong. However, Obama has made no secret of his disdain for the way the Clinton attack machine (Bill and Hillary both) has gone after him personally and their attempts to discredit him.

Could they be persuaded by the DNC to team up “for the good of the party”? Anybody’s guess. It would be a helluva thing, though, and long overdue in terms of both race and gender. Obama strikes me as too intelligent and self-possessed to go for that, given that Bill would undoubtedly have an outsize role in a Hillary presidency.

Bush is evil? Like devil worshipping evil? Or, more garden variety, Bond villain evil?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: My understanding is that Obama and Hillary are like oil and water. Granted, this understanding is the product of reading a New York Times article about a meeting they had on a tarmac whilst awaiting flights, so it might be completely wrong. However, Obama has made no secret of his disdain for the way the Clinton attack machine (Bill and Hillary both) has gone after him personally and their attempts to discredit him.

Could they be persuaded by the DNC to team up “for the good of the party”? Anybody’s guess. It would be a helluva thing, though, and long overdue in terms of both race and gender. Obama strikes me as too intelligent and self-possessed to go for that, given that Bill would undoubtedly have an outsize role in a Hillary presidency.

Bush is evil? Like devil worshipping evil? Or, more garden variety, Bond villain evil?

[Anonymous]

Allan, Clinton’s integrity is lacking. His convictions depend on what he can get away with. Bush is just plain evil, heartless, ridiculous, the lowest of the low.

Do you think if Obama gets the nomiation he would choose Hillary as a running mate? With that type of historical ticket, I’m sure the Dems would win the election. What do you think? I just don’t want Hillary (and Bill) at the helm. It is time for something new. The clintons had their chance.

Aside from and despite who gets the nomination, I’d still like to see a national healthcare system. Canada has one. Money on that would be better spent than war in Iraq, right?

[Anonymous]

Allan, Clinton’s integrity is lacking. His convictions depend on what he can get away with. Bush is just plain evil, heartless, ridiculous, the lowest of the low.

Do you think if Obama gets the nomiation he would choose Hillary as a running mate? With that type of historical ticket, I’m sure the Dems would win the election. What do you think? I just don’t want Hillary (and Bill) at the helm. It is time for something new. The clintons had their chance.

Aside from and despite who gets the nomination, I’d still like to see a national healthcare system. Canada has one. Money on that would be better spent than war in Iraq, right?

[Anonymous]

Allan, Clinton’s integrity is lacking. His convictions depend on what he can get away with. Bush is just plain evil, heartless, ridiculous, the lowest of the low.

Do you think if Obama gets the nomiation he would choose Hillary as a running mate? With that type of historical ticket, I’m sure the Dems would win the election. What do you think? I just don’t want Hillary (and Bill) at the helm. It is time for something new. The clintons had their chance.

Aside from and despite who gets the nomination, I’d still like to see a national healthcare system. Canada has one. Money on that would be better spent than war in Iraq, right?

[Anonymous]

Allan, Clinton’s integrity is lacking. His convictions depend on what he can get away with. Bush is just plain evil, heartless, ridiculous, the lowest of the low.

Do you think if Obama gets the nomiation he would choose Hillary as a running mate? With that type of historical ticket, I’m sure the Dems would win the election. What do you think? I just don’t want Hillary (and Bill) at the helm. It is time for something new. The clintons had their chance.

Aside from and despite who gets the nomination, I’d still like to see a national healthcare system. Canada has one. Money on that would be better spent than war in Iraq, right?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Don’t forget she lies. And, we’ll all get Bill back in the bargain (speaking of lying). Depending on who the Dems choose for VP, we’ll have a delightful little triumvirate, just like we did during the last Clintonista rule.

Lest anyone else further the nonsensical “Bush lied us into the war”, we need only consider the various pronouncements of Albright, Berger, and the rest of Clinton and Co. when it came to Iraq during the Clinton Administration tenure. Anyone remember The Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998? Operation Desert Fox? The Dems position on WMDs (including Kerry, Edwards, et al)?

If you enjoy Socialism, make certain to cast a vote for Hillary. I don’t know enough about Obama to make an informed decision about him, but, even so, he’s a much better choice than she is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Don’t forget she lies. And, we’ll all get Bill back in the bargain (speaking of lying). Depending on who the Dems choose for VP, we’ll have a delightful little triumvirate, just like we did during the last Clintonista rule.

Lest anyone else further the nonsensical “Bush lied us into the war”, we need only consider the various pronouncements of Albright, Berger, and the rest of Clinton and Co. when it came to Iraq during the Clinton Administration tenure. Anyone remember The Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998? Operation Desert Fox? The Dems position on WMDs (including Kerry, Edwards, et al)?

If you enjoy Socialism, make certain to cast a vote for Hillary. I don’t know enough about Obama to make an informed decision about him, but, even so, he’s a much better choice than she is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Don’t forget she lies. And, we’ll all get Bill back in the bargain (speaking of lying). Depending on who the Dems choose for VP, we’ll have a delightful little triumvirate, just like we did during the last Clintonista rule.

Lest anyone else further the nonsensical “Bush lied us into the war”, we need only consider the various pronouncements of Albright, Berger, and the rest of Clinton and Co. when it came to Iraq during the Clinton Administration tenure. Anyone remember The Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998? Operation Desert Fox? The Dems position on WMDs (including Kerry, Edwards, et al)?

If you enjoy Socialism, make certain to cast a vote for Hillary. I don’t know enough about Obama to make an informed decision about him, but, even so, he’s a much better choice than she is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Don’t forget she lies. And, we’ll all get Bill back in the bargain (speaking of lying). Depending on who the Dems choose for VP, we’ll have a delightful little triumvirate, just like we did during the last Clintonista rule.

Lest anyone else further the nonsensical “Bush lied us into the war”, we need only consider the various pronouncements of Albright, Berger, and the rest of Clinton and Co. when it came to Iraq during the Clinton Administration tenure. Anyone remember The Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998? Operation Desert Fox? The Dems position on WMDs (including Kerry, Edwards, et al)?

If you enjoy Socialism, make certain to cast a vote for Hillary. I don’t know enough about Obama to make an informed decision about him, but, even so, he’s a much better choice than she is.

[gandalf]

I support moderate, slightly conservative positions. I’m a decline-to-state voter who is looking forward to throwing the bums (yes, republicans) out of office.

You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy of the republican partisans complaining about the socialism of democrats when the current republican crew is presiding over the greatest wealth redistribution program (read: WELFARE) we have ever seen in the history of this country. The beneficiaries aren’t poor though, but large corporations, foreign investors and those in the higher income brackets who truly have no need for it.

Serious question for you republican ‘socialists’ out there: How do you rationalize the ENORMOUS subsidies being given away right now to the financial industry and MBS investors including the Saudi and Chinese governments? What’s the difference between welfare for the poor and welfare for corporations, millionaires and foreign governments? What happens to our country when the only way we can pay our debts is through inflation and devaluation of our currency?

Is there an honest one among you who can explain this with a straight face? How did we get to this point? Surely Nancy Pelosi is to blame. Unbelievable.

After a decade of supporting republicans, most of us in this country think you morons on the right are a bunch of ranting full-of-sh*t bumper-sticker crapheads. Party before country. We’ve had enough of you trashing the place. The final irony is, the nail in the coffin, you’re going to down in history as actually sucking worse than the Clintons. Chew on that dog food, pooch.

I’m voting for Obama or Bloomberg. Hopefully both. Time to turn the page.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: If that comment was directed my way, I’d be happy to respond. I don’t consider Bush a conservative, and I never have. I didn’t vote for him in either election, especially after watching what a hash he made of his time as governor of Texas. His days at Harkin Energy were just as enlightening, if for no other reason than showing the dangers of nepotism and cronyism.

I don’t support any of what he has done as of late, including the stimulus package. Among true conservatives, he’s considered a joke, both in terms of politics and economics. And it isn’t party before country, at least not in my case. It never has been. As I said, I didn’t vote for him in either election.

As to the two charges of moron and being worse than the Clintons, well, I’ll cheerfully take my chances against you on the first, and History will make a much more objective call on the second.

[gandalf]

Allan, you’re comments re: Bush above are fairly even and accurate. Many other posts on this thread are just partisan crap. Dishonest and disgusting. Middle-grounders such as myself (Eisenhower was a great president) have had it with the wingnuts. We have had it with the ‘base’.

The issues we face, GRAVE MATTERS, the economy, geopolitics, any number of issues — some of the responsibility tracks back to this partisan culture of dishonesty and infighting. The Clintons were bad. Bush and the current republicans have been worse. If you disagree with Bush’s economic policies but support all the rest, you’re still a partisan. If you equate democrats with communism and republicans with the flag, you’re not just a partisan, you suck.

The republican party of the past 15 years is in the process of being thrown overboard. We may get stuck with another Clinton for a couple of years, but eventually, one way or another, the country is going to turn the page.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Only exception would be with the Eisenhower as president observation; it was before my time, and that period in US history will probably go down as one of the most properous and peaceful, I just don’t know how much of it is attributable to Ike. That leads me to another point regarding prosperity and economic cycles: In many instances, a president is given credit or blame where it isn’t earned or deserved.

I don’t equate Democrats with communism, and I don’t consider liberal a bad word. I think there is a fairly pervasive element on the far left of the Dems, and I think the same applies to the far right of the Repubs. I don’t like or agree with the Ann Coulter element of the right, nor do I like or agree with the Al Franken element of the left.

The problem you face as a middle ground conservative is the same one faced by middle ground liberals: The respective parties have been hijacked by the fringes. As a conservative, nothing is more abhorrent to me than Mike Huckabee claiming to be the standard bearer of conservatives within the party, and then saying we need to change the Constitution to bring it more in line with the Bible. WTF?!? That sort of thing chills my blood.

Geopolitically, it is much the same. I like Obama’s optimism, but fear his inexperience. McCain has the foreign policy chops, but there are way too many skeletons in that particular closet. As much as Hillary would like to tout her foreign policy experience, I don’t think it holds up past a casual scrutiny.

I do agree that we need to turn the page. Problem is: Who is carrying the book?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Only exception would be with the Eisenhower as president observation; it was before my time, and that period in US history will probably go down as one of the most properous and peaceful, I just don’t know how much of it is attributable to Ike. That leads me to another point regarding prosperity and economic cycles: In many instances, a president is given credit or blame where it isn’t earned or deserved.

I don’t equate Democrats with communism, and I don’t consider liberal a bad word. I think there is a fairly pervasive element on the far left of the Dems, and I think the same applies to the far right of the Repubs. I don’t like or agree with the Ann Coulter element of the right, nor do I like or agree with the Al Franken element of the left.

The problem you face as a middle ground conservative is the same one faced by middle ground liberals: The respective parties have been hijacked by the fringes. As a conservative, nothing is more abhorrent to me than Mike Huckabee claiming to be the standard bearer of conservatives within the party, and then saying we need to change the Constitution to bring it more in line with the Bible. WTF?!? That sort of thing chills my blood.

Geopolitically, it is much the same. I like Obama’s optimism, but fear his inexperience. McCain has the foreign policy chops, but there are way too many skeletons in that particular closet. As much as Hillary would like to tout her foreign policy experience, I don’t think it holds up past a casual scrutiny.

I do agree that we need to turn the page. Problem is: Who is carrying the book?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Only exception would be with the Eisenhower as president observation; it was before my time, and that period in US history will probably go down as one of the most properous and peaceful, I just don’t know how much of it is attributable to Ike. That leads me to another point regarding prosperity and economic cycles: In many instances, a president is given credit or blame where it isn’t earned or deserved.

I don’t equate Democrats with communism, and I don’t consider liberal a bad word. I think there is a fairly pervasive element on the far left of the Dems, and I think the same applies to the far right of the Repubs. I don’t like or agree with the Ann Coulter element of the right, nor do I like or agree with the Al Franken element of the left.

The problem you face as a middle ground conservative is the same one faced by middle ground liberals: The respective parties have been hijacked by the fringes. As a conservative, nothing is more abhorrent to me than Mike Huckabee claiming to be the standard bearer of conservatives within the party, and then saying we need to change the Constitution to bring it more in line with the Bible. WTF?!? That sort of thing chills my blood.

Geopolitically, it is much the same. I like Obama’s optimism, but fear his inexperience. McCain has the foreign policy chops, but there are way too many skeletons in that particular closet. As much as Hillary would like to tout her foreign policy experience, I don’t think it holds up past a casual scrutiny.

I do agree that we need to turn the page. Problem is: Who is carrying the book?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Only exception would be with the Eisenhower as president observation; it was before my time, and that period in US history will probably go down as one of the most properous and peaceful, I just don’t know how much of it is attributable to Ike. That leads me to another point regarding prosperity and economic cycles: In many instances, a president is given credit or blame where it isn’t earned or deserved.

I don’t equate Democrats with communism, and I don’t consider liberal a bad word. I think there is a fairly pervasive element on the far left of the Dems, and I think the same applies to the far right of the Repubs. I don’t like or agree with the Ann Coulter element of the right, nor do I like or agree with the Al Franken element of the left.

The problem you face as a middle ground conservative is the same one faced by middle ground liberals: The respective parties have been hijacked by the fringes. As a conservative, nothing is more abhorrent to me than Mike Huckabee claiming to be the standard bearer of conservatives within the party, and then saying we need to change the Constitution to bring it more in line with the Bible. WTF?!? That sort of thing chills my blood.

Geopolitically, it is much the same. I like Obama’s optimism, but fear his inexperience. McCain has the foreign policy chops, but there are way too many skeletons in that particular closet. As much as Hillary would like to tout her foreign policy experience, I don’t think it holds up past a casual scrutiny.

I do agree that we need to turn the page. Problem is: Who is carrying the book?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Only exception would be with the Eisenhower as president observation; it was before my time, and that period in US history will probably go down as one of the most properous and peaceful, I just don’t know how much of it is attributable to Ike. That leads me to another point regarding prosperity and economic cycles: In many instances, a president is given credit or blame where it isn’t earned or deserved.

I don’t equate Democrats with communism, and I don’t consider liberal a bad word. I think there is a fairly pervasive element on the far left of the Dems, and I think the same applies to the far right of the Repubs. I don’t like or agree with the Ann Coulter element of the right, nor do I like or agree with the Al Franken element of the left.

The problem you face as a middle ground conservative is the same one faced by middle ground liberals: The respective parties have been hijacked by the fringes. As a conservative, nothing is more abhorrent to me than Mike Huckabee claiming to be the standard bearer of conservatives within the party, and then saying we need to change the Constitution to bring it more in line with the Bible. WTF?!? That sort of thing chills my blood.

Geopolitically, it is much the same. I like Obama’s optimism, but fear his inexperience. McCain has the foreign policy chops, but there are way too many skeletons in that particular closet. As much as Hillary would like to tout her foreign policy experience, I don’t think it holds up past a casual scrutiny.

I do agree that we need to turn the page. Problem is: Who is carrying the book?

[gandalf]

Allan, you’re comments re: Bush above are fairly even and accurate. Many other posts on this thread are just partisan crap. Dishonest and disgusting. Middle-grounders such as myself (Eisenhower was a great president) have had it with the wingnuts. We have had it with the ‘base’.

The issues we face, GRAVE MATTERS, the economy, geopolitics, any number of issues — some of the responsibility tracks back to this partisan culture of dishonesty and infighting. The Clintons were bad. Bush and the current republicans have been worse. If you disagree with Bush’s economic policies but support all the rest, you’re still a partisan. If you equate democrats with communism and republicans with the flag, you’re not just a partisan, you suck.

The republican party of the past 15 years is in the process of being thrown overboard. We may get stuck with another Clinton for a couple of years, but eventually, one way or another, the country is going to turn the page.

[gandalf]

Allan, you’re comments re: Bush above are fairly even and accurate. Many other posts on this thread are just partisan crap. Dishonest and disgusting. Middle-grounders such as myself (Eisenhower was a great president) have had it with the wingnuts. We have had it with the ‘base’.

The issues we face, GRAVE MATTERS, the economy, geopolitics, any number of issues — some of the responsibility tracks back to this partisan culture of dishonesty and infighting. The Clintons were bad. Bush and the current republicans have been worse. If you disagree with Bush’s economic policies but support all the rest, you’re still a partisan. If you equate democrats with communism and republicans with the flag, you’re not just a partisan, you suck.

The republican party of the past 15 years is in the process of being thrown overboard. We may get stuck with another Clinton for a couple of years, but eventually, one way or another, the country is going to turn the page.

[gandalf]

Allan, you’re comments re: Bush above are fairly even and accurate. Many other posts on this thread are just partisan crap. Dishonest and disgusting. Middle-grounders such as myself (Eisenhower was a great president) have had it with the wingnuts. We have had it with the ‘base’.

The issues we face, GRAVE MATTERS, the economy, geopolitics, any number of issues — some of the responsibility tracks back to this partisan culture of dishonesty and infighting. The Clintons were bad. Bush and the current republicans have been worse. If you disagree with Bush’s economic policies but support all the rest, you’re still a partisan. If you equate democrats with communism and republicans with the flag, you’re not just a partisan, you suck.

The republican party of the past 15 years is in the process of being thrown overboard. We may get stuck with another Clinton for a couple of years, but eventually, one way or another, the country is going to turn the page.

[gandalf]

Allan, you’re comments re: Bush above are fairly even and accurate. Many other posts on this thread are just partisan crap. Dishonest and disgusting. Middle-grounders such as myself (Eisenhower was a great president) have had it with the wingnuts. We have had it with the ‘base’.

The issues we face, GRAVE MATTERS, the economy, geopolitics, any number of issues — some of the responsibility tracks back to this partisan culture of dishonesty and infighting. The Clintons were bad. Bush and the current republicans have been worse. If you disagree with Bush’s economic policies but support all the rest, you’re still a partisan. If you equate democrats with communism and republicans with the flag, you’re not just a partisan, you suck.

The republican party of the past 15 years is in the process of being thrown overboard. We may get stuck with another Clinton for a couple of years, but eventually, one way or another, the country is going to turn the page.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: If that comment was directed my way, I’d be happy to respond. I don’t consider Bush a conservative, and I never have. I didn’t vote for him in either election, especially after watching what a hash he made of his time as governor of Texas. His days at Harkin Energy were just as enlightening, if for no other reason than showing the dangers of nepotism and cronyism.

I don’t support any of what he has done as of late, including the stimulus package. Among true conservatives, he’s considered a joke, both in terms of politics and economics. And it isn’t party before country, at least not in my case. It never has been. As I said, I didn’t vote for him in either election.

As to the two charges of moron and being worse than the Clintons, well, I’ll cheerfully take my chances against you on the first, and History will make a much more objective call on the second.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: If that comment was directed my way, I’d be happy to respond. I don’t consider Bush a conservative, and I never have. I didn’t vote for him in either election, especially after watching what a hash he made of his time as governor of Texas. His days at Harkin Energy were just as enlightening, if for no other reason than showing the dangers of nepotism and cronyism.

I don’t support any of what he has done as of late, including the stimulus package. Among true conservatives, he’s considered a joke, both in terms of politics and economics. And it isn’t party before country, at least not in my case. It never has been. As I said, I didn’t vote for him in either election.

As to the two charges of moron and being worse than the Clintons, well, I’ll cheerfully take my chances against you on the first, and History will make a much more objective call on the second.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: If that comment was directed my way, I’d be happy to respond. I don’t consider Bush a conservative, and I never have. I didn’t vote for him in either election, especially after watching what a hash he made of his time as governor of Texas. His days at Harkin Energy were just as enlightening, if for no other reason than showing the dangers of nepotism and cronyism.

I don’t support any of what he has done as of late, including the stimulus package. Among true conservatives, he’s considered a joke, both in terms of politics and economics. And it isn’t party before country, at least not in my case. It never has been. As I said, I didn’t vote for him in either election.

As to the two charges of moron and being worse than the Clintons, well, I’ll cheerfully take my chances against you on the first, and History will make a much more objective call on the second.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

gandalf: If that comment was directed my way, I’d be happy to respond. I don’t consider Bush a conservative, and I never have. I didn’t vote for him in either election, especially after watching what a hash he made of his time as governor of Texas. His days at Harkin Energy were just as enlightening, if for no other reason than showing the dangers of nepotism and cronyism.

I don’t support any of what he has done as of late, including the stimulus package. Among true conservatives, he’s considered a joke, both in terms of politics and economics. And it isn’t party before country, at least not in my case. It never has been. As I said, I didn’t vote for him in either election.

As to the two charges of moron and being worse than the Clintons, well, I’ll cheerfully take my chances against you on the first, and History will make a much more objective call on the second.

[gandalf]

I support moderate, slightly conservative positions. I’m a decline-to-state voter who is looking forward to throwing the bums (yes, republicans) out of office.

You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy of the republican partisans complaining about the socialism of democrats when the current republican crew is presiding over the greatest wealth redistribution program (read: WELFARE) we have ever seen in the history of this country. The beneficiaries aren’t poor though, but large corporations, foreign investors and those in the higher income brackets who truly have no need for it.

Serious question for you republican ‘socialists’ out there: How do you rationalize the ENORMOUS subsidies being given away right now to the financial industry and MBS investors including the Saudi and Chinese governments? What’s the difference between welfare for the poor and welfare for corporations, millionaires and foreign governments? What happens to our country when the only way we can pay our debts is through inflation and devaluation of our currency?

Is there an honest one among you who can explain this with a straight face? How did we get to this point? Surely Nancy Pelosi is to blame. Unbelievable.

After a decade of supporting republicans, most of us in this country think you morons on the right are a bunch of ranting full-of-sh*t bumper-sticker crapheads. Party before country. We’ve had enough of you trashing the place. The final irony is, the nail in the coffin, you’re going to down in history as actually sucking worse than the Clintons. Chew on that dog food, pooch.

I’m voting for Obama or Bloomberg. Hopefully both. Time to turn the page.

[gandalf]

I support moderate, slightly conservative positions. I’m a decline-to-state voter who is looking forward to throwing the bums (yes, republicans) out of office.

You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy of the republican partisans complaining about the socialism of democrats when the current republican crew is presiding over the greatest wealth redistribution program (read: WELFARE) we have ever seen in the history of this country. The beneficiaries aren’t poor though, but large corporations, foreign investors and those in the higher income brackets who truly have no need for it.

Serious question for you republican ‘socialists’ out there: How do you rationalize the ENORMOUS subsidies being given away right now to the financial industry and MBS investors including the Saudi and Chinese governments? What’s the difference between welfare for the poor and welfare for corporations, millionaires and foreign governments? What happens to our country when the only way we can pay our debts is through inflation and devaluation of our currency?

Is there an honest one among you who can explain this with a straight face? How did we get to this point? Surely Nancy Pelosi is to blame. Unbelievable.

After a decade of supporting republicans, most of us in this country think you morons on the right are a bunch of ranting full-of-sh*t bumper-sticker crapheads. Party before country. We’ve had enough of you trashing the place. The final irony is, the nail in the coffin, you’re going to down in history as actually sucking worse than the Clintons. Chew on that dog food, pooch.

I’m voting for Obama or Bloomberg. Hopefully both. Time to turn the page.

[gandalf]

I support moderate, slightly conservative positions. I’m a decline-to-state voter who is looking forward to throwing the bums (yes, republicans) out of office.

You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy of the republican partisans complaining about the socialism of democrats when the current republican crew is presiding over the greatest wealth redistribution program (read: WELFARE) we have ever seen in the history of this country. The beneficiaries aren’t poor though, but large corporations, foreign investors and those in the higher income brackets who truly have no need for it.

Serious question for you republican ‘socialists’ out there: How do you rationalize the ENORMOUS subsidies being given away right now to the financial industry and MBS investors including the Saudi and Chinese governments? What’s the difference between welfare for the poor and welfare for corporations, millionaires and foreign governments? What happens to our country when the only way we can pay our debts is through inflation and devaluation of our currency?

Is there an honest one among you who can explain this with a straight face? How did we get to this point? Surely Nancy Pelosi is to blame. Unbelievable.

After a decade of supporting republicans, most of us in this country think you morons on the right are a bunch of ranting full-of-sh*t bumper-sticker crapheads. Party before country. We’ve had enough of you trashing the place. The final irony is, the nail in the coffin, you’re going to down in history as actually sucking worse than the Clintons. Chew on that dog food, pooch.

I’m voting for Obama or Bloomberg. Hopefully both. Time to turn the page.

[gandalf]

I support moderate, slightly conservative positions. I’m a decline-to-state voter who is looking forward to throwing the bums (yes, republicans) out of office.

You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy of the republican partisans complaining about the socialism of democrats when the current republican crew is presiding over the greatest wealth redistribution program (read: WELFARE) we have ever seen in the history of this country. The beneficiaries aren’t poor though, but large corporations, foreign investors and those in the higher income brackets who truly have no need for it.

Serious question for you republican ‘socialists’ out there: How do you rationalize the ENORMOUS subsidies being given away right now to the financial industry and MBS investors including the Saudi and Chinese governments? What’s the difference between welfare for the poor and welfare for corporations, millionaires and foreign governments? What happens to our country when the only way we can pay our debts is through inflation and devaluation of our currency?

Is there an honest one among you who can explain this with a straight face? How did we get to this point? Surely Nancy Pelosi is to blame. Unbelievable.

After a decade of supporting republicans, most of us in this country think you morons on the right are a bunch of ranting full-of-sh*t bumper-sticker crapheads. Party before country. We’ve had enough of you trashing the place. The final irony is, the nail in the coffin, you’re going to down in history as actually sucking worse than the Clintons. Chew on that dog food, pooch.

I’m voting for Obama or Bloomberg. Hopefully both. Time to turn the page.

[Anonymous]

To be honest, I don’t like Hillary. She’s too overbearing and a hypocrit. I think Obama has more integrity. It’s all about votes with these politicians, the sole reason for the bailouts.

[Anonymous]

To be honest, I don’t like Hillary. She’s too overbearing and a hypocrit. I think Obama has more integrity. It’s all about votes with these politicians, the sole reason for the bailouts.

[Anonymous]

To be honest, I don’t like Hillary. She’s too overbearing and a hypocrit. I think Obama has more integrity. It’s all about votes with these politicians, the sole reason for the bailouts.

[Anonymous]

To be honest, I don’t like Hillary. She’s too overbearing and a hypocrit. I think Obama has more integrity. It’s all about votes with these politicians, the sole reason for the bailouts.

[robyns_song]

Are you kidding? You’re picking a president based on aesthetics? That’s like marrying someone you don’t know very well just because they look good; you know it’ll only end in an ugly divorce and cost you a pretty penny.

[robyns_song]

Are you kidding? You’re picking a president based on aesthetics? That’s like marrying someone you don’t know very well just because they look good; you know it’ll only end in an ugly divorce and cost you a pretty penny.

[robyns_song]

Are you kidding? You’re picking a president based on aesthetics? That’s like marrying someone you don’t know very well just because they look good; you know it’ll only end in an ugly divorce and cost you a pretty penny.

[robyns_song]

Are you kidding? You’re picking a president based on aesthetics? That’s like marrying someone you don’t know very well just because they look good; you know it’ll only end in an ugly divorce and cost you a pretty penny.

[patientlywaiting]

I’m an economic and social liberatarian but registered as a Republican for expediency. Mc Cain got my vote in the primary.

I’m not going to vote my pocket book this time.

In the general election, I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket because I believe that having a woman president, or a Black president will, in one swoop, repair our reputation around the world.

We’ll again be the country of hope and dreams where anything is possible. That message will be more powerful than any military accomplishment in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I would rather have Obama as president but I’ll support Hillary if she gets the nomination. Whoever gets the nomination will receive a check from me. I’m putting economic considerations aside to give a woman or a Black man a chance. It’s about time.

[patientlywaiting]

I’m an economic and social liberatarian but registered as a Republican for expediency. Mc Cain got my vote in the primary.

I’m not going to vote my pocket book this time.

In the general election, I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket because I believe that having a woman president, or a Black president will, in one swoop, repair our reputation around the world.

We’ll again be the country of hope and dreams where anything is possible. That message will be more powerful than any military accomplishment in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I would rather have Obama as president but I’ll support Hillary if she gets the nomination. Whoever gets the nomination will receive a check from me. I’m putting economic considerations aside to give a woman or a Black man a chance. It’s about time.

[patientlywaiting]

I’m an economic and social liberatarian but registered as a Republican for expediency. Mc Cain got my vote in the primary.

I’m not going to vote my pocket book this time.

In the general election, I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket because I believe that having a woman president, or a Black president will, in one swoop, repair our reputation around the world.

We’ll again be the country of hope and dreams where anything is possible. That message will be more powerful than any military accomplishment in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I would rather have Obama as president but I’ll support Hillary if she gets the nomination. Whoever gets the nomination will receive a check from me. I’m putting economic considerations aside to give a woman or a Black man a chance. It’s about time.

[patientlywaiting]

I’m an economic and social liberatarian but registered as a Republican for expediency. Mc Cain got my vote in the primary.

I’m not going to vote my pocket book this time.

In the general election, I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket because I believe that having a woman president, or a Black president will, in one swoop, repair our reputation around the world.

We’ll again be the country of hope and dreams where anything is possible. That message will be more powerful than any military accomplishment in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I would rather have Obama as president but I’ll support Hillary if she gets the nomination. Whoever gets the nomination will receive a check from me. I’m putting economic considerations aside to give a woman or a Black man a chance. It’s about time.

[doublewide]

Ricechex,

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got no more respect for Mr. C than the Mrs. For me it wasn’t about blame so much as her staying after he done her wrong. America is losing/has lost respect in the eyes of the whole world, we need someone who can scream “We’re not gonna take it” from the roof tops and she’s proven she will take it and ask for more please…Trust me, it’s not a man vs. woman with me, its about who’s got the biggest bollucks.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

Ricechex,

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got no more respect for Mr. C than the Mrs. For me it wasn’t about blame so much as her staying after he done her wrong. America is losing/has lost respect in the eyes of the whole world, we need someone who can scream “We’re not gonna take it” from the roof tops and she’s proven she will take it and ask for more please…Trust me, it’s not a man vs. woman with me, its about who’s got the biggest bollucks.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

Ricechex,

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got no more respect for Mr. C than the Mrs. For me it wasn’t about blame so much as her staying after he done her wrong. America is losing/has lost respect in the eyes of the whole world, we need someone who can scream “We’re not gonna take it” from the roof tops and she’s proven she will take it and ask for more please…Trust me, it’s not a man vs. woman with me, its about who’s got the biggest bollucks.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

Ricechex,

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got no more respect for Mr. C than the Mrs. For me it wasn’t about blame so much as her staying after he done her wrong. America is losing/has lost respect in the eyes of the whole world, we need someone who can scream “We’re not gonna take it” from the roof tops and she’s proven she will take it and ask for more please…Trust me, it’s not a man vs. woman with me, its about who’s got the biggest bollucks.

Doublewide

[Ricechex]

Doublewide, I am not a Hillary fan myself, but I think your argument focuses on the subordinate group–women, rather than men. Why blame Hillary for staying with him? Why not blame him for doing what he did?

[Ricechex]

Doublewide, I am not a Hillary fan myself, but I think your argument focuses on the subordinate group–women, rather than men. Why blame Hillary for staying with him? Why not blame him for doing what he did?

[Ricechex]

Doublewide, I am not a Hillary fan myself, but I think your argument focuses on the subordinate group–women, rather than men. Why blame Hillary for staying with him? Why not blame him for doing what he did?

[Ricechex]

Doublewide, I am not a Hillary fan myself, but I think your argument focuses on the subordinate group–women, rather than men. Why blame Hillary for staying with him? Why not blame him for doing what he did?

[CMcG]

I am a Dem who will vote Hillary or Obama, whoever gets the nomination. My dad is a conservative Repub who was devastated when Romney dropped out. Romney was the only one of the front runners to address the jihadist Muslim threat. He thinks there will be a grass roots drive to write in Romney. Thoughts?

[CMcG]

I am a Dem who will vote Hillary or Obama, whoever gets the nomination. My dad is a conservative Repub who was devastated when Romney dropped out. Romney was the only one of the front runners to address the jihadist Muslim threat. He thinks there will be a grass roots drive to write in Romney. Thoughts?

[CMcG]

I am a Dem who will vote Hillary or Obama, whoever gets the nomination. My dad is a conservative Repub who was devastated when Romney dropped out. Romney was the only one of the front runners to address the jihadist Muslim threat. He thinks there will be a grass roots drive to write in Romney. Thoughts?

[CMcG]

I am a Dem who will vote Hillary or Obama, whoever gets the nomination. My dad is a conservative Repub who was devastated when Romney dropped out. Romney was the only one of the front runners to address the jihadist Muslim threat. He thinks there will be a grass roots drive to write in Romney. Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

We already have real disaster perpetrated by the present regime, therefor I opt for change in the form of possible democratic chaos. It couldn’t be worse than we have now and, who knows, things might even get better!

I’d like to see Billary and Obama join the same ticket for a guaranteed win. Anything to prevent more of what we already have! The world hates us and things aren’t going well here either. I’d like to see change, even if it requires a slower economy. We don’t need to conquer the world, we need to get our dignity back.

[Anonymous]

We already have real disaster perpetrated by the present regime, therefor I opt for change in the form of possible democratic chaos. It couldn’t be worse than we have now and, who knows, things might even get better!

I’d like to see Billary and Obama join the same ticket for a guaranteed win. Anything to prevent more of what we already have! The world hates us and things aren’t going well here either. I’d like to see change, even if it requires a slower economy. We don’t need to conquer the world, we need to get our dignity back.

[Anonymous]

We already have real disaster perpetrated by the present regime, therefor I opt for change in the form of possible democratic chaos. It couldn’t be worse than we have now and, who knows, things might even get better!

I’d like to see Billary and Obama join the same ticket for a guaranteed win. Anything to prevent more of what we already have! The world hates us and things aren’t going well here either. I’d like to see change, even if it requires a slower economy. We don’t need to conquer the world, we need to get our dignity back.

[Anonymous]

We already have real disaster perpetrated by the present regime, therefor I opt for change in the form of possible democratic chaos. It couldn’t be worse than we have now and, who knows, things might even get better!

I’d like to see Billary and Obama join the same ticket for a guaranteed win. Anything to prevent more of what we already have! The world hates us and things aren’t going well here either. I’d like to see change, even if it requires a slower economy. We don’t need to conquer the world, we need to get our dignity back.

[Diego Mamani]

I don’t understand the OP. The “three-way race” lasts only until the Democrats nominate their one presidential candidate. After that it’s going to be either McCain vs. Clinton (McCain wins) or McCain vs. Obama (Obama might win).

Regarding ZK‘s comment: being elected president is all, or mostly, about charisma. Whoever gets to the White House will have armies of highly talented speech-writers and expert advisors in all sort of areas. The president is a figurehead who is there to lead by inspiring and motivating. Of course, it’s true that the wrong kind of advisors (like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove) may be chosen by the president, but that is a post-election and post-inauguration issue.

To get back to my original point: H. Clinton lacks charisma. She’s bright and experienced, and the only issue of substance against her is that she appears to be politically to the left of her husband. But issues of substance are, for the most part, secondary in a presidential election: It’s charisma that matters, and she has little of it.

Even though she’s bright and experienced, she would never had made it this far in a presidential nomination without her First Lady experience. Why? Because she’s uncharismatic.

McCain and Obama, on the other hand, are extremely charismatic. I hope the Democrats see this and nominate Obama unless they want another eight years outside of the White House.

[Diego Mamani]

I don’t understand the OP. The “three-way race” lasts only until the Democrats nominate their one presidential candidate. After that it’s going to be either McCain vs. Clinton (McCain wins) or McCain vs. Obama (Obama might win).

Regarding ZK‘s comment: being elected president is all, or mostly, about charisma. Whoever gets to the White House will have armies of highly talented speech-writers and expert advisors in all sort of areas. The president is a figurehead who is there to lead by inspiring and motivating. Of course, it’s true that the wrong kind of advisors (like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove) may be chosen by the president, but that is a post-election and post-inauguration issue.

To get back to my original point: H. Clinton lacks charisma. She’s bright and experienced, and the only issue of substance against her is that she appears to be politically to the left of her husband. But issues of substance are, for the most part, secondary in a presidential election: It’s charisma that matters, and she has little of it.

Even though she’s bright and experienced, she would never had made it this far in a presidential nomination without her First Lady experience. Why? Because she’s uncharismatic.

McCain and Obama, on the other hand, are extremely charismatic. I hope the Democrats see this and nominate Obama unless they want another eight years outside of the White House.

[Diego Mamani]

I don’t understand the OP. The “three-way race” lasts only until the Democrats nominate their one presidential candidate. After that it’s going to be either McCain vs. Clinton (McCain wins) or McCain vs. Obama (Obama might win).

Regarding ZK‘s comment: being elected president is all, or mostly, about charisma. Whoever gets to the White House will have armies of highly talented speech-writers and expert advisors in all sort of areas. The president is a figurehead who is there to lead by inspiring and motivating. Of course, it’s true that the wrong kind of advisors (like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove) may be chosen by the president, but that is a post-election and post-inauguration issue.

To get back to my original point: H. Clinton lacks charisma. She’s bright and experienced, and the only issue of substance against her is that she appears to be politically to the left of her husband. But issues of substance are, for the most part, secondary in a presidential election: It’s charisma that matters, and she has little of it.

Even though she’s bright and experienced, she would never had made it this far in a presidential nomination without her First Lady experience. Why? Because she’s uncharismatic.

McCain and Obama, on the other hand, are extremely charismatic. I hope the Democrats see this and nominate Obama unless they want another eight years outside of the White House.

[Diego Mamani]

I don’t understand the OP. The “three-way race” lasts only until the Democrats nominate their one presidential candidate. After that it’s going to be either McCain vs. Clinton (McCain wins) or McCain vs. Obama (Obama might win).

Regarding ZK‘s comment: being elected president is all, or mostly, about charisma. Whoever gets to the White House will have armies of highly talented speech-writers and expert advisors in all sort of areas. The president is a figurehead who is there to lead by inspiring and motivating. Of course, it’s true that the wrong kind of advisors (like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove) may be chosen by the president, but that is a post-election and post-inauguration issue.

To get back to my original point: H. Clinton lacks charisma. She’s bright and experienced, and the only issue of substance against her is that she appears to be politically to the left of her husband. But issues of substance are, for the most part, secondary in a presidential election: It’s charisma that matters, and she has little of it.

Even though she’s bright and experienced, she would never had made it this far in a presidential nomination without her First Lady experience. Why? Because she’s uncharismatic.

McCain and Obama, on the other hand, are extremely charismatic. I hope the Democrats see this and nominate Obama unless they want another eight years outside of the White House.

[zk]

“of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!”

I know the far right despises Hillary. But I’ve never heard an explanation of why they hate her more than they hate your ordinary left wing politician. I asked a guy at work (who’d just called her the antichrist), and he said he didn’t know. He just hates her.

Kev, can you explain it to me? And of course, outlining her positions on issues won’t really do it, because they’re not much different than most democrats. I want to know why the particular venom directed at her. Mostly because I’m just really curious and because I never hear anybody say why they hate her, just that they do.

Thanks

[zk]

“of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!”

I know the far right despises Hillary. But I’ve never heard an explanation of why they hate her more than they hate your ordinary left wing politician. I asked a guy at work (who’d just called her the antichrist), and he said he didn’t know. He just hates her.

Kev, can you explain it to me? And of course, outlining her positions on issues won’t really do it, because they’re not much different than most democrats. I want to know why the particular venom directed at her. Mostly because I’m just really curious and because I never hear anybody say why they hate her, just that they do.

Thanks

[zk]

“of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!”

I know the far right despises Hillary. But I’ve never heard an explanation of why they hate her more than they hate your ordinary left wing politician. I asked a guy at work (who’d just called her the antichrist), and he said he didn’t know. He just hates her.

Kev, can you explain it to me? And of course, outlining her positions on issues won’t really do it, because they’re not much different than most democrats. I want to know why the particular venom directed at her. Mostly because I’m just really curious and because I never hear anybody say why they hate her, just that they do.

Thanks

[zk]

“of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!”

I know the far right despises Hillary. But I’ve never heard an explanation of why they hate her more than they hate your ordinary left wing politician. I asked a guy at work (who’d just called her the antichrist), and he said he didn’t know. He just hates her.

Kev, can you explain it to me? And of course, outlining her positions on issues won’t really do it, because they’re not much different than most democrats. I want to know why the particular venom directed at her. Mostly because I’m just really curious and because I never hear anybody say why they hate her, just that they do.

Thanks

[kev374]

This is GREAT! We do not need any Democrats in the white house. I don’t agree with McCain’s stance on the war but his other policies are better than Obama and of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!

[kev374]

This is GREAT! We do not need any Democrats in the white house. I don’t agree with McCain’s stance on the war but his other policies are better than Obama and of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!

[kev374]

This is GREAT! We do not need any Democrats in the white house. I don’t agree with McCain’s stance on the war but his other policies are better than Obama and of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!

[kev374]

This is GREAT! We do not need any Democrats in the white house. I don’t agree with McCain’s stance on the war but his other policies are better than Obama and of course Hillary would be a disaster for this country!

[meadandale]

“Get ready for four more years of Bush-Cheney type politics.”

With John McAmnesty in the Whitehouse? Hardly.

McAmnesty, Shrillary…six of one, half dozen of the other. Basically we are screwed. Get ready for higher taxes, expensive gubment subsidized healthcare that doesn’t cover anything and an open gate at the border with subsidized everything for anyone who can manage to elude DHS under the cover of darkness.

It’s times like these that NZ or AUS citizenship start to look attractive….

[meadandale]

“Get ready for four more years of Bush-Cheney type politics.”

With John McAmnesty in the Whitehouse? Hardly.

McAmnesty, Shrillary…six of one, half dozen of the other. Basically we are screwed. Get ready for higher taxes, expensive gubment subsidized healthcare that doesn’t cover anything and an open gate at the border with subsidized everything for anyone who can manage to elude DHS under the cover of darkness.

It’s times like these that NZ or AUS citizenship start to look attractive….

[meadandale]

“Get ready for four more years of Bush-Cheney type politics.”

With John McAmnesty in the Whitehouse? Hardly.

McAmnesty, Shrillary…six of one, half dozen of the other. Basically we are screwed. Get ready for higher taxes, expensive gubment subsidized healthcare that doesn’t cover anything and an open gate at the border with subsidized everything for anyone who can manage to elude DHS under the cover of darkness.

It’s times like these that NZ or AUS citizenship start to look attractive….

[meadandale]

“Get ready for four more years of Bush-Cheney type politics.”

With John McAmnesty in the Whitehouse? Hardly.

McAmnesty, Shrillary…six of one, half dozen of the other. Basically we are screwed. Get ready for higher taxes, expensive gubment subsidized healthcare that doesn’t cover anything and an open gate at the border with subsidized everything for anyone who can manage to elude DHS under the cover of darkness.

It’s times like these that NZ or AUS citizenship start to look attractive….

[meadandale]

“Get ready for four more years of Bush-Cheney type politics.”

With John McAmnesty in the Whitehouse? Hardly.

McAmnesty, Shrillary…six of one, half dozen of the other. Basically we are screwed. Get ready for higher taxes, expensive gubment subsidized healthcare that doesn’t cover anything and an open gate at the border with subsidized everything for anyone who can manage to elude DHS under the cover of darkness.

It’s times like these that NZ or AUS citizenship start to look attractive….

[Eugene]

I don’t see that happening. Obama and Clinton have near zero differences on real issues. They both understand that it would be tough for either of them to defeat McCain (which I personally find very puzzling after 8 years with Bush).

In the end they’ll make some kind of deal and one will run as a VP for the other. Obama with Clinton as a VP is more likely to win, Clinton with Obama as a VP is more likely to happen.

[Eugene]

I don’t see that happening. Obama and Clinton have near zero differences on real issues. They both understand that it would be tough for either of them to defeat McCain (which I personally find very puzzling after 8 years with Bush).

In the end they’ll make some kind of deal and one will run as a VP for the other. Obama with Clinton as a VP is more likely to win, Clinton with Obama as a VP is more likely to happen.

[Eugene]

I don’t see that happening. Obama and Clinton have near zero differences on real issues. They both understand that it would be tough for either of them to defeat McCain (which I personally find very puzzling after 8 years with Bush).

In the end they’ll make some kind of deal and one will run as a VP for the other. Obama with Clinton as a VP is more likely to win, Clinton with Obama as a VP is more likely to happen.

[Eugene]

I don’t see that happening. Obama and Clinton have near zero differences on real issues. They both understand that it would be tough for either of them to defeat McCain (which I personally find very puzzling after 8 years with Bush).

In the end they’ll make some kind of deal and one will run as a VP for the other. Obama with Clinton as a VP is more likely to win, Clinton with Obama as a VP is more likely to happen.

[Eugene]

I don’t see that happening. Obama and Clinton have near zero differences on real issues. They both understand that it would be tough for either of them to defeat McCain (which I personally find very puzzling after 8 years with Bush).

In the end they’ll make some kind of deal and one will run as a VP for the other. Obama with Clinton as a VP is more likely to win, Clinton with Obama as a VP is more likely to happen.

[Coronita]

This gossip blog from Silicon Valley pretty much sums up why I'm terrified of Hillary and not to different Obama.

 

http://valleywag.com/351653/if-hillary-clinton-ran-the-banks

Hillary Clinton at last night's debate: "I want a moratorium on foreclosure for 90 days and I want to freeze interest rates for 5 years."

Ah, socialism. Why not put a moratorium on people paying their mortgages? That seems easier.

 

Hillary, AKA Robin Woman.

 

 

Though……[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

This gossip blog from Silicon Valley pretty much sums up why I'm terrified of Hillary and not to different Obama.

 

http://valleywag.com/351653/if-hillary-clinton-ran-the-banks

Hillary Clinton at last night's debate: "I want a moratorium on foreclosure for 90 days and I want to freeze interest rates for 5 years."

Ah, socialism. Why not put a moratorium on people paying their mortgages? That seems easier.

 

Hillary, AKA Robin Woman.

 

 

Though……[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

This gossip blog from Silicon Valley pretty much sums up why I'm terrified of Hillary and not to different Obama.

 

http://valleywag.com/351653/if-hillary-clinton-ran-the-banks

Hillary Clinton at last night's debate: "I want a moratorium on foreclosure for 90 days and I want to freeze interest rates for 5 years."

Ah, socialism. Why not put a moratorium on people paying their mortgages? That seems easier.

 

Hillary, AKA Robin Woman.

 

 

Though……[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

This gossip blog from Silicon Valley pretty much sums up why I'm terrified of Hillary and not to different Obama.

 

http://valleywag.com/351653/if-hillary-clinton-ran-the-banks

Hillary Clinton at last night's debate: "I want a moratorium on foreclosure for 90 days and I want to freeze interest rates for 5 years."

Ah, socialism. Why not put a moratorium on people paying their mortgages? That seems easier.

 

Hillary, AKA Robin Woman.

 

 

Though……[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

This gossip blog from Silicon Valley pretty much sums up why I'm terrified of Hillary and not to different Obama.

 

http://valleywag.com/351653/if-hillary-clinton-ran-the-banks

Hillary Clinton at last night's debate: "I want a moratorium on foreclosure for 90 days and I want to freeze interest rates for 5 years."

Ah, socialism. Why not put a moratorium on people paying their mortgages? That seems easier.

 

Hillary, AKA Robin Woman.

 

 

Though……[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[kewp]

She’s a powerful woman and some people have mommy issues.

Pretty simple, actually.

[doublewide]

I’ll probably get flamed right off the board for this but here goes anyway…

The reason I won’t vote for Hillary is becuase when the WHOLE world knew he’d been cheating on her she stayed with him. Only a power hungry, stop at nothing to get what YOU want type of person would do stay with a known cheater because she thought to leave him would have hurt her chances of political power. A real woman would have kicked his butt out, picked herself up by the ovaries and moved on. To me she just proved it’s all about her, not about standing up for yourself. What happens when she has to stand up to the big boys in China, Iran or Russia? She just has no self respect in my eyes, but what do I know? I know, I know, to judge a person’s ability as President by the fact she stayed with a cheating husband is pretty lame, but I’ve got to go with my gut.

Usually I’m a Republican all the way but I’ve got to say I’m leaning Obama just because he’d shake things up and by default things would change, and boy do we need a governmental 10.0 earthquake.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

I’ll probably get flamed right off the board for this but here goes anyway…

The reason I won’t vote for Hillary is becuase when the WHOLE world knew he’d been cheating on her she stayed with him. Only a power hungry, stop at nothing to get what YOU want type of person would do stay with a known cheater because she thought to leave him would have hurt her chances of political power. A real woman would have kicked his butt out, picked herself up by the ovaries and moved on. To me she just proved it’s all about her, not about standing up for yourself. What happens when she has to stand up to the big boys in China, Iran or Russia? She just has no self respect in my eyes, but what do I know? I know, I know, to judge a person’s ability as President by the fact she stayed with a cheating husband is pretty lame, but I’ve got to go with my gut.

Usually I’m a Republican all the way but I’ve got to say I’m leaning Obama just because he’d shake things up and by default things would change, and boy do we need a governmental 10.0 earthquake.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

I’ll probably get flamed right off the board for this but here goes anyway…

The reason I won’t vote for Hillary is becuase when the WHOLE world knew he’d been cheating on her she stayed with him. Only a power hungry, stop at nothing to get what YOU want type of person would do stay with a known cheater because she thought to leave him would have hurt her chances of political power. A real woman would have kicked his butt out, picked herself up by the ovaries and moved on. To me she just proved it’s all about her, not about standing up for yourself. What happens when she has to stand up to the big boys in China, Iran or Russia? She just has no self respect in my eyes, but what do I know? I know, I know, to judge a person’s ability as President by the fact she stayed with a cheating husband is pretty lame, but I’ve got to go with my gut.

Usually I’m a Republican all the way but I’ve got to say I’m leaning Obama just because he’d shake things up and by default things would change, and boy do we need a governmental 10.0 earthquake.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

I’ll probably get flamed right off the board for this but here goes anyway…

The reason I won’t vote for Hillary is becuase when the WHOLE world knew he’d been cheating on her she stayed with him. Only a power hungry, stop at nothing to get what YOU want type of person would do stay with a known cheater because she thought to leave him would have hurt her chances of political power. A real woman would have kicked his butt out, picked herself up by the ovaries and moved on. To me she just proved it’s all about her, not about standing up for yourself. What happens when she has to stand up to the big boys in China, Iran or Russia? She just has no self respect in my eyes, but what do I know? I know, I know, to judge a person’s ability as President by the fact she stayed with a cheating husband is pretty lame, but I’ve got to go with my gut.

Usually I’m a Republican all the way but I’ve got to say I’m leaning Obama just because he’d shake things up and by default things would change, and boy do we need a governmental 10.0 earthquake.

Doublewide

[doublewide]

I’ll probably get flamed right off the board for this but here goes anyway…

The reason I won’t vote for Hillary is becuase when the WHOLE world knew he’d been cheating on her she stayed with him. Only a power hungry, stop at nothing to get what YOU want type of person would do stay with a known cheater because she thought to leave him would have hurt her chances of political power. A real woman would have kicked his butt out, picked herself up by the ovaries and moved on. To me she just proved it’s all about her, not about standing up for yourself. What happens when she has to stand up to the big boys in China, Iran or Russia? She just has no self respect in my eyes, but what do I know? I know, I know, to judge a person’s ability as President by the fact she stayed with a cheating husband is pretty lame, but I’ve got to go with my gut.

Usually I’m a Republican all the way but I’ve got to say I’m leaning Obama just because he’d shake things up and by default things would change, and boy do we need a governmental 10.0 earthquake.

Doublewide

[kewp]

She’s a powerful woman and some people have mommy issues.

Pretty simple, actually.

[kewp]

She’s a powerful woman and some people have mommy issues.

Pretty simple, actually.

[kewp]

She’s a powerful woman and some people have mommy issues.

Pretty simple, actually.

[kewp]

She’s a powerful woman and some people have mommy issues.

Pretty simple, actually.

[asragov]

Obama is doing pretty well – don’t count him out. Most polls show him beating McCain (but McCain would beat Hillary).

Pat Buchanan said that if John McCain is elected, he will make Cheney look like Gandhi:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/06/pat-buchanan-mccain-%E2%80%9Cwill-make-cheney-look-like-gandhi%E2%80%9D/

I am guessing that many people on this board would agree with Buchanan’s “Tapped out Nation,” and that we are “an unserious people in serious times”:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24788

[asragov]

Obama is doing pretty well – don’t count him out. Most polls show him beating McCain (but McCain would beat Hillary).

Pat Buchanan said that if John McCain is elected, he will make Cheney look like Gandhi:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/06/pat-buchanan-mccain-%E2%80%9Cwill-make-cheney-look-like-gandhi%E2%80%9D/

I am guessing that many people on this board would agree with Buchanan’s “Tapped out Nation,” and that we are “an unserious people in serious times”:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24788

[asragov]

Obama is doing pretty well – don’t count him out. Most polls show him beating McCain (but McCain would beat Hillary).

Pat Buchanan said that if John McCain is elected, he will make Cheney look like Gandhi:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/06/pat-buchanan-mccain-%E2%80%9Cwill-make-cheney-look-like-gandhi%E2%80%9D/

I am guessing that many people on this board would agree with Buchanan’s “Tapped out Nation,” and that we are “an unserious people in serious times”:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24788

[asragov]

Obama is doing pretty well – don’t count him out. Most polls show him beating McCain (but McCain would beat Hillary).

Pat Buchanan said that if John McCain is elected, he will make Cheney look like Gandhi:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/06/pat-buchanan-mccain-%E2%80%9Cwill-make-cheney-look-like-gandhi%E2%80%9D/

I am guessing that many people on this board would agree with Buchanan’s “Tapped out Nation,” and that we are “an unserious people in serious times”:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24788

[asragov]

Obama is doing pretty well – don’t count him out. Most polls show him beating McCain (but McCain would beat Hillary).

Pat Buchanan said that if John McCain is elected, he will make Cheney look like Gandhi:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/06/pat-buchanan-mccain-%E2%80%9Cwill-make-cheney-look-like-gandhi%E2%80%9D/

I am guessing that many people on this board would agree with Buchanan’s “Tapped out Nation,” and that we are “an unserious people in serious times”:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24788

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