OT – Joe the Plumber

[patientlywaiting]

[quote=TheBreeze]

Here’s an update on ‘Joe’ the plumber:

His current income is $40K per year. He would actually pay less taxes under Obama’s plan than under McCain’s. The business he wants to buy only grosses $100K, so even if he did buy the business, he would still pay less under Obama’s plan than under McCain’s

Plus, he may or may not be related to Charles Keating, he of the Keating Five scandal.

http://www.kcbs.com/Leaks-in-Joe-the-Plumber-s-Story/3156534

McCain should have done a little more vetting before he decided to make Joe famous. Basically everything that McCain railed on in his debate last night vis-a-vis ‘Joe’ is wrong and Joe will be better off under an Obama administration.

How could anyone vote for McCain? The guy just exudes incompetence.

[/quote]

Ok, so the business grosses $100k/year. Joe makes about $40k. What does the other person, the owner, make? You would think that the owner makes more than his employee.

What about expenses such as trucks, fuels, supplies, etc…? What about payroll taxes? Have those been paid?

[gandalf]

No worries, asianautica. It’s a misunderstanding. I wasn’t referring to your post, so not putting words in your mouth.

It was actually ‘anxvariety’ who was equating a slightly higher marginal income tax rate with the death of capitalism.

I should have typed more than just ‘anx’. Easy to see the confusion in the rear view mirror. Hope you’re able to laugh this one off.

Cheers,
G

[gandalf]

No worries, asianautica. It’s a misunderstanding. I wasn’t referring to your post, so not putting words in your mouth.

It was actually ‘anxvariety’ who was equating a slightly higher marginal income tax rate with the death of capitalism.

I should have typed more than just ‘anx’. Easy to see the confusion in the rear view mirror. Hope you’re able to laugh this one off.

Cheers,
G

[gandalf]

No worries, asianautica. It’s a misunderstanding. I wasn’t referring to your post, so not putting words in your mouth.

It was actually ‘anxvariety’ who was equating a slightly higher marginal income tax rate with the death of capitalism.

I should have typed more than just ‘anx’. Easy to see the confusion in the rear view mirror. Hope you’re able to laugh this one off.

Cheers,
G

[gandalf]

No worries, asianautica. It’s a misunderstanding. I wasn’t referring to your post, so not putting words in your mouth.

It was actually ‘anxvariety’ who was equating a slightly higher marginal income tax rate with the death of capitalism.

I should have typed more than just ‘anx’. Easy to see the confusion in the rear view mirror. Hope you’re able to laugh this one off.

Cheers,
G

[gandalf]

No worries, asianautica. It’s a misunderstanding. I wasn’t referring to your post, so not putting words in your mouth.

It was actually ‘anxvariety’ who was equating a slightly higher marginal income tax rate with the death of capitalism.

I should have typed more than just ‘anx’. Easy to see the confusion in the rear view mirror. Hope you’re able to laugh this one off.

Cheers,
G

[TheBreeze]

[quote=felix]Banks aren’t being bailed out for banks sake but for the sake of the account holders and the sake of our financial system’s stability and rightfully so.[/quote]

So for the $10,000 billion bailout, you have no problem with the government redistributing wealth? And you are sure that government can redistribute this wealth in a way that will help “our financial system’s stability”? You have much more confidence in the government than I.

[quote=felix]
I’m glad the government intends to not let the financial system collapse on these folks and destroy their lives. Lives which were lived by the rules and which have nothing to do with the greed of buying a home you could not afford or financing a home for someone bound to default.
[/quote]

Thank God for socialism. Where would you be without it? Probably unemployed and eating out of a dumpster.

[quote=felix]
CEO pay is chump change compared to the sums doled out by the government and the cost of the bureaucracies that do so.
[/quote]

Yes, $10 trillion in socialism for the richest folks in the world is an awe-inspiring amount of money. Do you realize that the entire federal budget for 2007 is only $2.7 trillion?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/summarytables.html

Bush has just gifted the super-rich around four years worth of national budgets and you don’t blink an eye because you are confident that this money can be properly redistributed by the government. Your faith in socialism is amazing. Karl Marx would be proud of you.

[quote=felix]
Human nature is what makes wealth redistribution not work. Too many folks will take something for nothing if it’s offered and let the saps who continue to work like, Joe the Plumber, pay their way.
[/quote]

Joe will actually pay less under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain’s. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your well-thought out argument though.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=felix]Banks aren’t being bailed out for banks sake but for the sake of the account holders and the sake of our financial system’s stability and rightfully so.[/quote]

So for the $10,000 billion bailout, you have no problem with the government redistributing wealth? And you are sure that government can redistribute this wealth in a way that will help “our financial system’s stability”? You have much more confidence in the government than I.

[quote=felix]
I’m glad the government intends to not let the financial system collapse on these folks and destroy their lives. Lives which were lived by the rules and which have nothing to do with the greed of buying a home you could not afford or financing a home for someone bound to default.
[/quote]

Thank God for socialism. Where would you be without it? Probably unemployed and eating out of a dumpster.

[quote=felix]
CEO pay is chump change compared to the sums doled out by the government and the cost of the bureaucracies that do so.
[/quote]

Yes, $10 trillion in socialism for the richest folks in the world is an awe-inspiring amount of money. Do you realize that the entire federal budget for 2007 is only $2.7 trillion?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/summarytables.html

Bush has just gifted the super-rich around four years worth of national budgets and you don’t blink an eye because you are confident that this money can be properly redistributed by the government. Your faith in socialism is amazing. Karl Marx would be proud of you.

[quote=felix]
Human nature is what makes wealth redistribution not work. Too many folks will take something for nothing if it’s offered and let the saps who continue to work like, Joe the Plumber, pay their way.
[/quote]

Joe will actually pay less under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain’s. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your well-thought out argument though.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=felix]Banks aren’t being bailed out for banks sake but for the sake of the account holders and the sake of our financial system’s stability and rightfully so.[/quote]

So for the $10,000 billion bailout, you have no problem with the government redistributing wealth? And you are sure that government can redistribute this wealth in a way that will help “our financial system’s stability”? You have much more confidence in the government than I.

[quote=felix]
I’m glad the government intends to not let the financial system collapse on these folks and destroy their lives. Lives which were lived by the rules and which have nothing to do with the greed of buying a home you could not afford or financing a home for someone bound to default.
[/quote]

Thank God for socialism. Where would you be without it? Probably unemployed and eating out of a dumpster.

[quote=felix]
CEO pay is chump change compared to the sums doled out by the government and the cost of the bureaucracies that do so.
[/quote]

Yes, $10 trillion in socialism for the richest folks in the world is an awe-inspiring amount of money. Do you realize that the entire federal budget for 2007 is only $2.7 trillion?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/summarytables.html

Bush has just gifted the super-rich around four years worth of national budgets and you don’t blink an eye because you are confident that this money can be properly redistributed by the government. Your faith in socialism is amazing. Karl Marx would be proud of you.

[quote=felix]
Human nature is what makes wealth redistribution not work. Too many folks will take something for nothing if it’s offered and let the saps who continue to work like, Joe the Plumber, pay their way.
[/quote]

Joe will actually pay less under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain’s. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your well-thought out argument though.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=felix]Banks aren’t being bailed out for banks sake but for the sake of the account holders and the sake of our financial system’s stability and rightfully so.[/quote]

So for the $10,000 billion bailout, you have no problem with the government redistributing wealth? And you are sure that government can redistribute this wealth in a way that will help “our financial system’s stability”? You have much more confidence in the government than I.

[quote=felix]
I’m glad the government intends to not let the financial system collapse on these folks and destroy their lives. Lives which were lived by the rules and which have nothing to do with the greed of buying a home you could not afford or financing a home for someone bound to default.
[/quote]

Thank God for socialism. Where would you be without it? Probably unemployed and eating out of a dumpster.

[quote=felix]
CEO pay is chump change compared to the sums doled out by the government and the cost of the bureaucracies that do so.
[/quote]

Yes, $10 trillion in socialism for the richest folks in the world is an awe-inspiring amount of money. Do you realize that the entire federal budget for 2007 is only $2.7 trillion?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/summarytables.html

Bush has just gifted the super-rich around four years worth of national budgets and you don’t blink an eye because you are confident that this money can be properly redistributed by the government. Your faith in socialism is amazing. Karl Marx would be proud of you.

[quote=felix]
Human nature is what makes wealth redistribution not work. Too many folks will take something for nothing if it’s offered and let the saps who continue to work like, Joe the Plumber, pay their way.
[/quote]

Joe will actually pay less under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain’s. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your well-thought out argument though.

[TheBreeze]

[quote=felix]Banks aren’t being bailed out for banks sake but for the sake of the account holders and the sake of our financial system’s stability and rightfully so.[/quote]

So for the $10,000 billion bailout, you have no problem with the government redistributing wealth? And you are sure that government can redistribute this wealth in a way that will help “our financial system’s stability”? You have much more confidence in the government than I.

[quote=felix]
I’m glad the government intends to not let the financial system collapse on these folks and destroy their lives. Lives which were lived by the rules and which have nothing to do with the greed of buying a home you could not afford or financing a home for someone bound to default.
[/quote]

Thank God for socialism. Where would you be without it? Probably unemployed and eating out of a dumpster.

[quote=felix]
CEO pay is chump change compared to the sums doled out by the government and the cost of the bureaucracies that do so.
[/quote]

Yes, $10 trillion in socialism for the richest folks in the world is an awe-inspiring amount of money. Do you realize that the entire federal budget for 2007 is only $2.7 trillion?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/summarytables.html

Bush has just gifted the super-rich around four years worth of national budgets and you don’t blink an eye because you are confident that this money can be properly redistributed by the government. Your faith in socialism is amazing. Karl Marx would be proud of you.

[quote=felix]
Human nature is what makes wealth redistribution not work. Too many folks will take something for nothing if it’s offered and let the saps who continue to work like, Joe the Plumber, pay their way.
[/quote]

Joe will actually pay less under Obama’s tax plan than under McCain’s. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your well-thought out argument though.

[svelte]

Oh, Joe the Plumber matters a great deal, and here’s why: it demonstrates McCain’s attention to detail – yet again.

Anybody who would make JtP the centerpiece for their final debate before the election without doing adequate research into the individual (perhaps doing no research at all) deserves to look like an idiot as McCain now does.

It is just another example in a long line of examples that McCain has given us of his impulsiveness and reluctance to do even rudimentary examination of details. Does ANYBODY really want someone like that making the world’s most important decisions?

Other examples of this type of behavior: the picking of a running mate who is under investigation and has the capacity of a parakeet for logical thought, and the decision to halt his campaign to get a bill through Congress.

[svelte]

Oh, Joe the Plumber matters a great deal, and here’s why: it demonstrates McCain’s attention to detail – yet again.

Anybody who would make JtP the centerpiece for their final debate before the election without doing adequate research into the individual (perhaps doing no research at all) deserves to look like an idiot as McCain now does.

It is just another example in a long line of examples that McCain has given us of his impulsiveness and reluctance to do even rudimentary examination of details. Does ANYBODY really want someone like that making the world’s most important decisions?

Other examples of this type of behavior: the picking of a running mate who is under investigation and has the capacity of a parakeet for logical thought, and the decision to halt his campaign to get a bill through Congress.

[svelte]

Oh, Joe the Plumber matters a great deal, and here’s why: it demonstrates McCain’s attention to detail – yet again.

Anybody who would make JtP the centerpiece for their final debate before the election without doing adequate research into the individual (perhaps doing no research at all) deserves to look like an idiot as McCain now does.

It is just another example in a long line of examples that McCain has given us of his impulsiveness and reluctance to do even rudimentary examination of details. Does ANYBODY really want someone like that making the world’s most important decisions?

Other examples of this type of behavior: the picking of a running mate who is under investigation and has the capacity of a parakeet for logical thought, and the decision to halt his campaign to get a bill through Congress.

[svelte]

Oh, Joe the Plumber matters a great deal, and here’s why: it demonstrates McCain’s attention to detail – yet again.

Anybody who would make JtP the centerpiece for their final debate before the election without doing adequate research into the individual (perhaps doing no research at all) deserves to look like an idiot as McCain now does.

It is just another example in a long line of examples that McCain has given us of his impulsiveness and reluctance to do even rudimentary examination of details. Does ANYBODY really want someone like that making the world’s most important decisions?

Other examples of this type of behavior: the picking of a running mate who is under investigation and has the capacity of a parakeet for logical thought, and the decision to halt his campaign to get a bill through Congress.

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