OT: Is Swine Flu Pandemic Warning exaggerated? And who’s really at risk?

[sd_bear]

[quote=DWCAP]The thing that has the ‘experts’ worried (other than a repeat of the spanish flu) is that it is killing young people. We have had what, 9 people die of swine flu in the USA? We usually have something like 35000 people die each year of the normal flu, seems kinda off right?

Well the problem is that the ‘normal’ flu kills or sickens the most vunerable. The very young, very old, or the very sick. This one is killing the healthy people, the 20 year olds who very rarely die of something like the flu. [/quote]

I don’t necessarily buy this. The vast majority of the swine flu deaths have been the very young and the very old. Every single death I’ve read about (in the US) that was someone of normal/healthy age there was an underlying medical condition involved, with the exception this new 20 year old. Though very limited information has been released so far and I would be surprised if there wasn’t some other medical condition present.

[Arraya]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i7tXz_Z0bUPQEDkFZBk3vhcK4Tew
Whether speaking of a 58-year-old man or a 38-year-old woman or a little boy of nine, officials announcing swine flu deaths are almost always quick to note “underlying health conditions” may have contributed to the fatal outcome.

Asthma, heart disease, diabetes, maybe even obesity are among the conditions used to help explain why swine flu infection is hospitalizing and killing younger people, people who would be expected to make a full recovery from seasonal flu.

It could create the impression that only the sickly are dying from the new H1N1 flu virus – a claim no one is making To the contrary, many, including the World Health Organization, say between one-third and one-half of swine flu deaths have occurred in people who were previously healthy.

But how healthy is previously healthy? The answer depends on who you ask.

Dr. Anand Kumar is a critical care specialist who has been treating swine flu cases in embattled intensive care units in several Winnipeg hospitals.
He says a small portion of the ICU patients look like flu’s typical victims, people with health conditions know to be badly exacerbated by a bout of influenza. But more are younger and – until they got sick – healthier than flu patients hospitals typically see during a regular influenza season.

“For the most part, these young, relatively healthy people aren’t marathon runners or anything like that,” he admits.

“They’re normal people…. If you asked them ‘Are you healthy?’ they’d say ‘Yeah, pretty healthy.”‘

[Arraya]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i7tXz_Z0bUPQEDkFZBk3vhcK4Tew
Whether speaking of a 58-year-old man or a 38-year-old woman or a little boy of nine, officials announcing swine flu deaths are almost always quick to note “underlying health conditions” may have contributed to the fatal outcome.

Asthma, heart disease, diabetes, maybe even obesity are among the conditions used to help explain why swine flu infection is hospitalizing and killing younger people, people who would be expected to make a full recovery from seasonal flu.

It could create the impression that only the sickly are dying from the new H1N1 flu virus – a claim no one is making To the contrary, many, including the World Health Organization, say between one-third and one-half of swine flu deaths have occurred in people who were previously healthy.

But how healthy is previously healthy? The answer depends on who you ask.

Dr. Anand Kumar is a critical care specialist who has been treating swine flu cases in embattled intensive care units in several Winnipeg hospitals.
He says a small portion of the ICU patients look like flu’s typical victims, people with health conditions know to be badly exacerbated by a bout of influenza. But more are younger and – until they got sick – healthier than flu patients hospitals typically see during a regular influenza season.

“For the most part, these young, relatively healthy people aren’t marathon runners or anything like that,” he admits.

“They’re normal people…. If you asked them ‘Are you healthy?’ they’d say ‘Yeah, pretty healthy.”‘

[Arraya]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i7tXz_Z0bUPQEDkFZBk3vhcK4Tew
Whether speaking of a 58-year-old man or a 38-year-old woman or a little boy of nine, officials announcing swine flu deaths are almost always quick to note “underlying health conditions” may have contributed to the fatal outcome.

Asthma, heart disease, diabetes, maybe even obesity are among the conditions used to help explain why swine flu infection is hospitalizing and killing younger people, people who would be expected to make a full recovery from seasonal flu.

It could create the impression that only the sickly are dying from the new H1N1 flu virus – a claim no one is making To the contrary, many, including the World Health Organization, say between one-third and one-half of swine flu deaths have occurred in people who were previously healthy.

But how healthy is previously healthy? The answer depends on who you ask.

Dr. Anand Kumar is a critical care specialist who has been treating swine flu cases in embattled intensive care units in several Winnipeg hospitals.
He says a small portion of the ICU patients look like flu’s typical victims, people with health conditions know to be badly exacerbated by a bout of influenza. But more are younger and – until they got sick – healthier than flu patients hospitals typically see during a regular influenza season.

“For the most part, these young, relatively healthy people aren’t marathon runners or anything like that,” he admits.

“They’re normal people…. If you asked them ‘Are you healthy?’ they’d say ‘Yeah, pretty healthy.”‘

[Arraya]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i7tXz_Z0bUPQEDkFZBk3vhcK4Tew
Whether speaking of a 58-year-old man or a 38-year-old woman or a little boy of nine, officials announcing swine flu deaths are almost always quick to note “underlying health conditions” may have contributed to the fatal outcome.

Asthma, heart disease, diabetes, maybe even obesity are among the conditions used to help explain why swine flu infection is hospitalizing and killing younger people, people who would be expected to make a full recovery from seasonal flu.

It could create the impression that only the sickly are dying from the new H1N1 flu virus – a claim no one is making To the contrary, many, including the World Health Organization, say between one-third and one-half of swine flu deaths have occurred in people who were previously healthy.

But how healthy is previously healthy? The answer depends on who you ask.

Dr. Anand Kumar is a critical care specialist who has been treating swine flu cases in embattled intensive care units in several Winnipeg hospitals.
He says a small portion of the ICU patients look like flu’s typical victims, people with health conditions know to be badly exacerbated by a bout of influenza. But more are younger and – until they got sick – healthier than flu patients hospitals typically see during a regular influenza season.

“For the most part, these young, relatively healthy people aren’t marathon runners or anything like that,” he admits.

“They’re normal people…. If you asked them ‘Are you healthy?’ they’d say ‘Yeah, pretty healthy.”‘

[Arraya]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5i7tXz_Z0bUPQEDkFZBk3vhcK4Tew
Whether speaking of a 58-year-old man or a 38-year-old woman or a little boy of nine, officials announcing swine flu deaths are almost always quick to note “underlying health conditions” may have contributed to the fatal outcome.

Asthma, heart disease, diabetes, maybe even obesity are among the conditions used to help explain why swine flu infection is hospitalizing and killing younger people, people who would be expected to make a full recovery from seasonal flu.

It could create the impression that only the sickly are dying from the new H1N1 flu virus – a claim no one is making To the contrary, many, including the World Health Organization, say between one-third and one-half of swine flu deaths have occurred in people who were previously healthy.

But how healthy is previously healthy? The answer depends on who you ask.

Dr. Anand Kumar is a critical care specialist who has been treating swine flu cases in embattled intensive care units in several Winnipeg hospitals.
He says a small portion of the ICU patients look like flu’s typical victims, people with health conditions know to be badly exacerbated by a bout of influenza. But more are younger and – until they got sick – healthier than flu patients hospitals typically see during a regular influenza season.

“For the most part, these young, relatively healthy people aren’t marathon runners or anything like that,” he admits.

“They’re normal people…. If you asked them ‘Are you healthy?’ they’d say ‘Yeah, pretty healthy.”‘

[Zeitgeist]

The fact that a young, healthy person apparently died of the swine flu is also not surprising, Wooten said. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, children under 5 infected with the virus have the highest rate of hospitalization, and young people between the ages of 5 and 24 have the second highest rate of hospitalization.The patient died in the emergency room and was never admitted, Wooten said. No further identifying information about the woman was released.

“We stated numerous times that we expect to see more cases, and we expect to see complications and death,” she said. The San Diego County woman had no other known medical problems when she became ill last weekend, Wooten said. The woman became severely ill Monday, when she visited a hospital emergency room, she said.

Wooten said that healthy people can get very sick from the swine flu because neither past illness nor vaccinations provide any immunity to the virus, which is new in humans.

[Zeitgeist]

The fact that a young, healthy person apparently died of the swine flu is also not surprising, Wooten said. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, children under 5 infected with the virus have the highest rate of hospitalization, and young people between the ages of 5 and 24 have the second highest rate of hospitalization.The patient died in the emergency room and was never admitted, Wooten said. No further identifying information about the woman was released.

“We stated numerous times that we expect to see more cases, and we expect to see complications and death,” she said. The San Diego County woman had no other known medical problems when she became ill last weekend, Wooten said. The woman became severely ill Monday, when she visited a hospital emergency room, she said.

Wooten said that healthy people can get very sick from the swine flu because neither past illness nor vaccinations provide any immunity to the virus, which is new in humans.

[Zeitgeist]

The fact that a young, healthy person apparently died of the swine flu is also not surprising, Wooten said. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, children under 5 infected with the virus have the highest rate of hospitalization, and young people between the ages of 5 and 24 have the second highest rate of hospitalization.The patient died in the emergency room and was never admitted, Wooten said. No further identifying information about the woman was released.

“We stated numerous times that we expect to see more cases, and we expect to see complications and death,” she said. The San Diego County woman had no other known medical problems when she became ill last weekend, Wooten said. The woman became severely ill Monday, when she visited a hospital emergency room, she said.

Wooten said that healthy people can get very sick from the swine flu because neither past illness nor vaccinations provide any immunity to the virus, which is new in humans.

[Zeitgeist]

The fact that a young, healthy person apparently died of the swine flu is also not surprising, Wooten said. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, children under 5 infected with the virus have the highest rate of hospitalization, and young people between the ages of 5 and 24 have the second highest rate of hospitalization.The patient died in the emergency room and was never admitted, Wooten said. No further identifying information about the woman was released.

“We stated numerous times that we expect to see more cases, and we expect to see complications and death,” she said. The San Diego County woman had no other known medical problems when she became ill last weekend, Wooten said. The woman became severely ill Monday, when she visited a hospital emergency room, she said.

Wooten said that healthy people can get very sick from the swine flu because neither past illness nor vaccinations provide any immunity to the virus, which is new in humans.

[Zeitgeist]

The fact that a young, healthy person apparently died of the swine flu is also not surprising, Wooten said. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, children under 5 infected with the virus have the highest rate of hospitalization, and young people between the ages of 5 and 24 have the second highest rate of hospitalization.The patient died in the emergency room and was never admitted, Wooten said. No further identifying information about the woman was released.

“We stated numerous times that we expect to see more cases, and we expect to see complications and death,” she said. The San Diego County woman had no other known medical problems when she became ill last weekend, Wooten said. The woman became severely ill Monday, when she visited a hospital emergency room, she said.

Wooten said that healthy people can get very sick from the swine flu because neither past illness nor vaccinations provide any immunity to the virus, which is new in humans.

[DWCAP]

[quote=sd_bear][quote=DWCAP]The thing that has the ‘experts’ worried (other than a repeat of the spanish flu) is that it is killing young people. We have had what, 9 people die of swine flu in the USA? We usually have something like 35000 people die each year of the normal flu, seems kinda off right?

Well the problem is that the ‘normal’ flu kills or sickens the most vunerable. The very young, very old, or the very sick. This one is killing the healthy people, the 20 year olds who very rarely die of something like the flu. [/quote]

I don’t necessarily buy this. The vast majority of the swine flu deaths have been the very young and the very old. Every single death I’ve read about (in the US) that was someone of normal/healthy age there was an underlying medical condition involved, with the exception this new 20 year old. Though very limited information has been released so far and I would be surprised if there wasn’t some other medical condition present.[/quote]

Everyone has a underlying condition that can be cited. No one is perfectly healthy. Your average 30-40 year old is probly alittle over-weight, has elevated blood pressure, often the beginning of liver issues due to excessive alcohol consumption, etc etc.

[DWCAP]

[quote=sd_bear][quote=DWCAP]The thing that has the ‘experts’ worried (other than a repeat of the spanish flu) is that it is killing young people. We have had what, 9 people die of swine flu in the USA? We usually have something like 35000 people die each year of the normal flu, seems kinda off right?

Well the problem is that the ‘normal’ flu kills or sickens the most vunerable. The very young, very old, or the very sick. This one is killing the healthy people, the 20 year olds who very rarely die of something like the flu. [/quote]

I don’t necessarily buy this. The vast majority of the swine flu deaths have been the very young and the very old. Every single death I’ve read about (in the US) that was someone of normal/healthy age there was an underlying medical condition involved, with the exception this new 20 year old. Though very limited information has been released so far and I would be surprised if there wasn’t some other medical condition present.[/quote]

Everyone has a underlying condition that can be cited. No one is perfectly healthy. Your average 30-40 year old is probly alittle over-weight, has elevated blood pressure, often the beginning of liver issues due to excessive alcohol consumption, etc etc.

[DWCAP]

[quote=sd_bear][quote=DWCAP]The thing that has the ‘experts’ worried (other than a repeat of the spanish flu) is that it is killing young people. We have had what, 9 people die of swine flu in the USA? We usually have something like 35000 people die each year of the normal flu, seems kinda off right?

Well the problem is that the ‘normal’ flu kills or sickens the most vunerable. The very young, very old, or the very sick. This one is killing the healthy people, the 20 year olds who very rarely die of something like the flu. [/quote]

I don’t necessarily buy this. The vast majority of the swine flu deaths have been the very young and the very old. Every single death I’ve read about (in the US) that was someone of normal/healthy age there was an underlying medical condition involved, with the exception this new 20 year old. Though very limited information has been released so far and I would be surprised if there wasn’t some other medical condition present.[/quote]

Everyone has a underlying condition that can be cited. No one is perfectly healthy. Your average 30-40 year old is probly alittle over-weight, has elevated blood pressure, often the beginning of liver issues due to excessive alcohol consumption, etc etc.

[DWCAP]

[quote=sd_bear][quote=DWCAP]The thing that has the ‘experts’ worried (other than a repeat of the spanish flu) is that it is killing young people. We have had what, 9 people die of swine flu in the USA? We usually have something like 35000 people die each year of the normal flu, seems kinda off right?

Well the problem is that the ‘normal’ flu kills or sickens the most vunerable. The very young, very old, or the very sick. This one is killing the healthy people, the 20 year olds who very rarely die of something like the flu. [/quote]

I don’t necessarily buy this. The vast majority of the swine flu deaths have been the very young and the very old. Every single death I’ve read about (in the US) that was someone of normal/healthy age there was an underlying medical condition involved, with the exception this new 20 year old. Though very limited information has been released so far and I would be surprised if there wasn’t some other medical condition present.[/quote]

Everyone has a underlying condition that can be cited. No one is perfectly healthy. Your average 30-40 year old is probly alittle over-weight, has elevated blood pressure, often the beginning of liver issues due to excessive alcohol consumption, etc etc.

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