OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[DWCAP]

They dont need the DREAM act to become US citizens, the military route already exists:

[Quote]
Applying for U.S. Citizenship During Time of War
Any immigrant who enlists with the United States Armed Forces can apply for expedited naturalization. Because the United States is in a time of war, an immigrant—documented or undocumented—who serves in active-duty status may apply for expedited naturalization through military service. Immigrants who enlist during a time of war can apply for naturalization after only one day of service and have the citizenship application fee waived.
…..
To apply for naturalization through military service in a time of war, you must serve in active-duty status and honorably complete your term of service. If you do not honorably complete your term of service, you will lose your citizenship. [/quote]

http://www.ansarilawfirm.com/index.cfm/hurl/obj=321/ApplyingforUSCitizenshipNaturalizationThroughMilitaryServiceAustinTexasimmigrationandcitizenshiplawyer.cfm

The option to serve in the military for citizenship already is in place. I hear about in the news from time to time, about how XXXX active duty personel, from YYYY # of countries, became citizens.

Plus when they are done, they can get military benifits of college education, job training, housing, military contacts, etc etc etc.

We can debate the merits of the DREAM act, but ‘go home’ or ‘DREAM act’ are not the only options available to these people. Regardless if that is the way it is being protrayed.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

Without even realizing it you’ve just made the money quote.

Why should Mexicans be jealous of the opportunities for citizens and LEGAL immigrants in the US? They should just be grateful for the opportunities they have at home–and stay there and take advantage of them.[/quote]

Not at all, meadandale. Mexicans immigrants are not resentful of opportunities that Americans enjoy. In fact, many of them come here hoping to enjoy the same opportunities.

flu’s friend, however, despite having her own legal money-earning opportunity in America (H1B job), seems resentful of the possible, not even yet provided, path to legalization for other immigrants.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

Without even realizing it you’ve just made the money quote.

Why should Mexicans be jealous of the opportunities for citizens and LEGAL immigrants in the US? They should just be grateful for the opportunities they have at home–and stay there and take advantage of them.[/quote]

Not at all, meadandale. Mexicans immigrants are not resentful of opportunities that Americans enjoy. In fact, many of them come here hoping to enjoy the same opportunities.

flu’s friend, however, despite having her own legal money-earning opportunity in America (H1B job), seems resentful of the possible, not even yet provided, path to legalization for other immigrants.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

Without even realizing it you’ve just made the money quote.

Why should Mexicans be jealous of the opportunities for citizens and LEGAL immigrants in the US? They should just be grateful for the opportunities they have at home–and stay there and take advantage of them.[/quote]

Not at all, meadandale. Mexicans immigrants are not resentful of opportunities that Americans enjoy. In fact, many of them come here hoping to enjoy the same opportunities.

flu’s friend, however, despite having her own legal money-earning opportunity in America (H1B job), seems resentful of the possible, not even yet provided, path to legalization for other immigrants.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

Without even realizing it you’ve just made the money quote.

Why should Mexicans be jealous of the opportunities for citizens and LEGAL immigrants in the US? They should just be grateful for the opportunities they have at home–and stay there and take advantage of them.[/quote]

Not at all, meadandale. Mexicans immigrants are not resentful of opportunities that Americans enjoy. In fact, many of them come here hoping to enjoy the same opportunities.

flu’s friend, however, despite having her own legal money-earning opportunity in America (H1B job), seems resentful of the possible, not even yet provided, path to legalization for other immigrants.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

Without even realizing it you’ve just made the money quote.

Why should Mexicans be jealous of the opportunities for citizens and LEGAL immigrants in the US? They should just be grateful for the opportunities they have at home–and stay there and take advantage of them.[/quote]

Not at all, meadandale. Mexicans immigrants are not resentful of opportunities that Americans enjoy. In fact, many of them come here hoping to enjoy the same opportunities.

flu’s friend, however, despite having her own legal money-earning opportunity in America (H1B job), seems resentful of the possible, not even yet provided, path to legalization for other immigrants.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Uh, because it’s cheating the system. Why should bad/illegal behavior receive amnesty?[/quote]

Because that’s the humanitarian and compassionate thing to do.

The Dream Act is targeted at kids who were brought here at age younger than 15. Kids who go to college or serve in the military.

There is no amnesty. The last amnesty was in 1986, signed into law by Ronald Reagan. There may or may not be another amnesty again.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Uh, because it’s cheating the system. Why should bad/illegal behavior receive amnesty?[/quote]

Because that’s the humanitarian and compassionate thing to do.

The Dream Act is targeted at kids who were brought here at age younger than 15. Kids who go to college or serve in the military.

There is no amnesty. The last amnesty was in 1986, signed into law by Ronald Reagan. There may or may not be another amnesty again.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Uh, because it’s cheating the system. Why should bad/illegal behavior receive amnesty?[/quote]

Because that’s the humanitarian and compassionate thing to do.

The Dream Act is targeted at kids who were brought here at age younger than 15. Kids who go to college or serve in the military.

There is no amnesty. The last amnesty was in 1986, signed into law by Ronald Reagan. There may or may not be another amnesty again.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Uh, because it’s cheating the system. Why should bad/illegal behavior receive amnesty?[/quote]

Because that’s the humanitarian and compassionate thing to do.

The Dream Act is targeted at kids who were brought here at age younger than 15. Kids who go to college or serve in the military.

There is no amnesty. The last amnesty was in 1986, signed into law by Ronald Reagan. There may or may not be another amnesty again.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]

Uh, because it’s cheating the system. Why should bad/illegal behavior receive amnesty?[/quote]

Because that’s the humanitarian and compassionate thing to do.

The Dream Act is targeted at kids who were brought here at age younger than 15. Kids who go to college or serve in the military.

There is no amnesty. The last amnesty was in 1986, signed into law by Ronald Reagan. There may or may not be another amnesty again.

[UCGal]

[quote=DWCAP]They dont need the DREAM act to become US citizens, the military route already exists:

[Quote]
Applying for U.S. Citizenship During Time of War
Any immigrant who enlists with the United States Armed Forces can apply for expedited naturalization. Because the United States is in a time of war, an immigrant—documented or undocumented—who serves in active-duty status may apply for expedited naturalization through military service. Immigrants who enlist during a time of war can apply for naturalization after only one day of service and have the citizenship application fee waived.
…..
To apply for naturalization through military service in a time of war, you must serve in active-duty status and honorably complete your term of service. If you do not honorably complete your term of service, you will lose your citizenship. [/quote]

http://www.ansarilawfirm.com/index.cfm/hurl/obj=321/ApplyingforUSCitizenshipNaturalizationThroughMilitaryServiceAustinTexasimmigrationandcitizenshiplawyer.cfm

The option to serve in the military for citizenship already is in place. I hear about in the news from time to time, about how XXXX active duty personel, from YYYY # of countries, became citizens.

Plus when they are done, they can get military benifits of college education, job training, housing, military contacts, etc etc etc.

We can debate the merits of the DREAM act, but ‘go home’ or ‘DREAM act’ are not the only options available to these people. Regardless if that is the way it is being protrayed.[/quote]
The Dream act is for the folks who’s PARENTS brought them to the US illegally (they had to be under 15 when they arrive) can serve in the military and gain a path to citizenship.

The current system allows LEGAL immigrants to become citizens. It shortens the window between gaining green card status (or other legal immigration status) and becoming a full blown citizen. It is NOT open to folks who’s parents brought them to the US, illegally, before they were of the age of consent.

Re-read the first sentence of the link you provided. It’s clear that the current path is only for legal immigrants.

Here’s another description of the current system of military service as a shorter path to citizenship.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/immigrants/20030501/11/368

[UCGal]

[quote=DWCAP]They dont need the DREAM act to become US citizens, the military route already exists:

[Quote]
Applying for U.S. Citizenship During Time of War
Any immigrant who enlists with the United States Armed Forces can apply for expedited naturalization. Because the United States is in a time of war, an immigrant—documented or undocumented—who serves in active-duty status may apply for expedited naturalization through military service. Immigrants who enlist during a time of war can apply for naturalization after only one day of service and have the citizenship application fee waived.
…..
To apply for naturalization through military service in a time of war, you must serve in active-duty status and honorably complete your term of service. If you do not honorably complete your term of service, you will lose your citizenship. [/quote]

http://www.ansarilawfirm.com/index.cfm/hurl/obj=321/ApplyingforUSCitizenshipNaturalizationThroughMilitaryServiceAustinTexasimmigrationandcitizenshiplawyer.cfm

The option to serve in the military for citizenship already is in place. I hear about in the news from time to time, about how XXXX active duty personel, from YYYY # of countries, became citizens.

Plus when they are done, they can get military benifits of college education, job training, housing, military contacts, etc etc etc.

We can debate the merits of the DREAM act, but ‘go home’ or ‘DREAM act’ are not the only options available to these people. Regardless if that is the way it is being protrayed.[/quote]
The Dream act is for the folks who’s PARENTS brought them to the US illegally (they had to be under 15 when they arrive) can serve in the military and gain a path to citizenship.

The current system allows LEGAL immigrants to become citizens. It shortens the window between gaining green card status (or other legal immigration status) and becoming a full blown citizen. It is NOT open to folks who’s parents brought them to the US, illegally, before they were of the age of consent.

Re-read the first sentence of the link you provided. It’s clear that the current path is only for legal immigrants.

Here’s another description of the current system of military service as a shorter path to citizenship.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/immigrants/20030501/11/368

[UCGal]

[quote=DWCAP]They dont need the DREAM act to become US citizens, the military route already exists:

[Quote]
Applying for U.S. Citizenship During Time of War
Any immigrant who enlists with the United States Armed Forces can apply for expedited naturalization. Because the United States is in a time of war, an immigrant—documented or undocumented—who serves in active-duty status may apply for expedited naturalization through military service. Immigrants who enlist during a time of war can apply for naturalization after only one day of service and have the citizenship application fee waived.
…..
To apply for naturalization through military service in a time of war, you must serve in active-duty status and honorably complete your term of service. If you do not honorably complete your term of service, you will lose your citizenship. [/quote]

http://www.ansarilawfirm.com/index.cfm/hurl/obj=321/ApplyingforUSCitizenshipNaturalizationThroughMilitaryServiceAustinTexasimmigrationandcitizenshiplawyer.cfm

The option to serve in the military for citizenship already is in place. I hear about in the news from time to time, about how XXXX active duty personel, from YYYY # of countries, became citizens.

Plus when they are done, they can get military benifits of college education, job training, housing, military contacts, etc etc etc.

We can debate the merits of the DREAM act, but ‘go home’ or ‘DREAM act’ are not the only options available to these people. Regardless if that is the way it is being protrayed.[/quote]
The Dream act is for the folks who’s PARENTS brought them to the US illegally (they had to be under 15 when they arrive) can serve in the military and gain a path to citizenship.

The current system allows LEGAL immigrants to become citizens. It shortens the window between gaining green card status (or other legal immigration status) and becoming a full blown citizen. It is NOT open to folks who’s parents brought them to the US, illegally, before they were of the age of consent.

Re-read the first sentence of the link you provided. It’s clear that the current path is only for legal immigrants.

Here’s another description of the current system of military service as a shorter path to citizenship.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/immigrants/20030501/11/368

[UCGal]

[quote=DWCAP]They dont need the DREAM act to become US citizens, the military route already exists:

[Quote]
Applying for U.S. Citizenship During Time of War
Any immigrant who enlists with the United States Armed Forces can apply for expedited naturalization. Because the United States is in a time of war, an immigrant—documented or undocumented—who serves in active-duty status may apply for expedited naturalization through military service. Immigrants who enlist during a time of war can apply for naturalization after only one day of service and have the citizenship application fee waived.
…..
To apply for naturalization through military service in a time of war, you must serve in active-duty status and honorably complete your term of service. If you do not honorably complete your term of service, you will lose your citizenship. [/quote]

http://www.ansarilawfirm.com/index.cfm/hurl/obj=321/ApplyingforUSCitizenshipNaturalizationThroughMilitaryServiceAustinTexasimmigrationandcitizenshiplawyer.cfm

The option to serve in the military for citizenship already is in place. I hear about in the news from time to time, about how XXXX active duty personel, from YYYY # of countries, became citizens.

Plus when they are done, they can get military benifits of college education, job training, housing, military contacts, etc etc etc.

We can debate the merits of the DREAM act, but ‘go home’ or ‘DREAM act’ are not the only options available to these people. Regardless if that is the way it is being protrayed.[/quote]
The Dream act is for the folks who’s PARENTS brought them to the US illegally (they had to be under 15 when they arrive) can serve in the military and gain a path to citizenship.

The current system allows LEGAL immigrants to become citizens. It shortens the window between gaining green card status (or other legal immigration status) and becoming a full blown citizen. It is NOT open to folks who’s parents brought them to the US, illegally, before they were of the age of consent.

Re-read the first sentence of the link you provided. It’s clear that the current path is only for legal immigrants.

Here’s another description of the current system of military service as a shorter path to citizenship.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/immigrants/20030501/11/368

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