OT – Illegal’s, Arizona, and Obama…

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]
David Brooks a conservative? That’s like saying McCain is conservative. I read his columns regularly and he’s no conservative that I share any views with.
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Please give us examples of some conservatives that you do share views with.

[briansd1]

Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[briansd1]

Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[briansd1]

Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[briansd1]

Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[briansd1]

Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

Bravo, Concho! Couldn’t agree more.

Now, how do we go about fixing it? That’s the $64 trillion question.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

Bravo, Concho! Couldn’t agree more.

Now, how do we go about fixing it? That’s the $64 trillion question.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

Bravo, Concho! Couldn’t agree more.

Now, how do we go about fixing it? That’s the $64 trillion question.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

Bravo, Concho! Couldn’t agree more.

Now, how do we go about fixing it? That’s the $64 trillion question.

[CA renter]

[quote=CONCHO][quote=CA renter][quote=CONCHO]What baffles me is that I don’t ever see Mexico helping with such a platform. They seem to always be stuck on having an open border. The way the Mexican citizens have to enter this Country is inhumane, yet the Mexican govt seems to support this as a way to keep the system.

The USA is Mexico’s steam valve. People desperate enough to pay thousands of dollars (and these are poor people mind you) for the chance to cross a dangerous border in order to work long hours in difficult conditions in order to feed themselves and their families are at the breaking point. If they didn’t have El Norte as an option, they would be revolting en masse to take Mexico back from the ultra-wealthy families who control it. Actually a few of them are trying to do exactly that in Chiapas. Also remember that remittances to the families of illegal immigrants number in the billions per year. This is an important source of revenue to the Mexican economy. Mexico doesn’t care about these people any more than it does about the rest of its poor.[/quote]

The bolded part is exactly what NEEDS to happen, and one of the reasons I’m against illegal immigration — it enables this tremendous wealth divide to exist in the first place.

There is no legitimate reason for Mexico to be a poor country, IMHO. What needs to be fixed is the corruption that is killing them.[/quote]

Illegal immigration is just a symptom of a larger disease. This problem exists around the world, from South Africa to Australia and Europe. The underlying issue is the accelerating transfer of wealth upwards from the great many on the bottom to the privileged few at the top. Illegal immigrants have no other option. The lower class people in the US are soon to understand their desperation, and the middle class are being repositioned as the new lower class. In 50 years most descendants of today’s middle class families will be living in favelas if things don’t change, and I don’t expect they will. That’s one of the big reasons I’m never having kids. That sad-looking Guatemalan guy trimming our hedge is one of us, and until we all understand that, nothing’s gonna change.[/quote]

Bravo, Concho! Couldn’t agree more.

Now, how do we go about fixing it? That’s the $64 trillion question.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

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That’s not helping them, brian, it’s going to end up hurting them, and us!

What needs to happen is a revolution where the working people take control of their own country (here, there, and everywhere — as Concho’s post points out). Unless this happens, things will only get worse for the working class. People need to wake up to what’s really going on.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[/quote]

That’s not helping them, brian, it’s going to end up hurting them, and us!

What needs to happen is a revolution where the working people take control of their own country (here, there, and everywhere — as Concho’s post points out). Unless this happens, things will only get worse for the working class. People need to wake up to what’s really going on.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[/quote]

That’s not helping them, brian, it’s going to end up hurting them, and us!

What needs to happen is a revolution where the working people take control of their own country (here, there, and everywhere — as Concho’s post points out). Unless this happens, things will only get worse for the working class. People need to wake up to what’s really going on.

[CA renter]

[quote=briansd1]Back to immigration, at least the Democratic leadership is trying to do the humanitarian thing and provide a path to legalization for educated immigrants already in the country.

Senator Harry Reid, the Democratic majority leader, announced last week that he would add to a military spending bill an amendment that would open a path to legal status for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students. Senator George LeMieux, a Republican, has not declared his position, and the students hoped to secure his support for the measure, which will be put to a first test on Tuesday with a procedural vote.

Illegal immigrant students across the country have not been deterred by reports from Washington that the measure, known to its supporters as the Dream Act, has slim chances of passing. Republicans have denounced Mr. Reid’s move to even bring it up just six weeks before midterm elections as a ploy to attract Latino voters during his own hard-fought re-election campaign in Nevada, and they say a proposal on an issue as contentious as immigration should not be attached to the military reauthorization bill.

The student bill would open a path to eventual legal residency for illegal immigrants who arrived in the country before they were 15 years old, have been here for at least five years and have graduated from high school. It would require them to finish two years of college or military service before gaining legal status.

About 726,000 illegal immigrants would become immediately eligible for legal status under the bill, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a research group in Washington.

[/quote]

That’s not helping them, brian, it’s going to end up hurting them, and us!

What needs to happen is a revolution where the working people take control of their own country (here, there, and everywhere — as Concho’s post points out). Unless this happens, things will only get worse for the working class. People need to wake up to what’s really going on.

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