OT: Gay Marriage

[pencilneck]

To the best of my knowledge, Jesus never condemned homosexuality.

In at least one passage he condemned marriage in general. He preached a lot of loving your neighbor and all that. We christians tend to ignore that silly old book when it suits us.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mike92104]
This is exactly why I think the govt should get out of the marriage business. Morality issues should be left to the church. Civil Unions for all I say.[/quote]

Why should the government recognize anything that the church does? Keep it separate.

Marriage is just a word. Why should the church have monopoly?[/quote]

Marriage being just a word is kind of my point. It’s a word that many people associate some sort of moral or religious connotation to. “Civil Union” on the other hand is simply a legal classification. I feel that if the government took the word marriage out of the law and instead only granted the legal status of a civil union, people on both sides wouldn’t have anything to fight about. If you want to be married, you should find a church, and you would be free to find whatever church recognized your view of what a marriage was.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mike92104]
This is exactly why I think the govt should get out of the marriage business. Morality issues should be left to the church. Civil Unions for all I say.[/quote]

Why should the government recognize anything that the church does? Keep it separate.

Marriage is just a word. Why should the church have monopoly?[/quote]

Marriage being just a word is kind of my point. It’s a word that many people associate some sort of moral or religious connotation to. “Civil Union” on the other hand is simply a legal classification. I feel that if the government took the word marriage out of the law and instead only granted the legal status of a civil union, people on both sides wouldn’t have anything to fight about. If you want to be married, you should find a church, and you would be free to find whatever church recognized your view of what a marriage was.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mike92104]
This is exactly why I think the govt should get out of the marriage business. Morality issues should be left to the church. Civil Unions for all I say.[/quote]

Why should the government recognize anything that the church does? Keep it separate.

Marriage is just a word. Why should the church have monopoly?[/quote]

Marriage being just a word is kind of my point. It’s a word that many people associate some sort of moral or religious connotation to. “Civil Union” on the other hand is simply a legal classification. I feel that if the government took the word marriage out of the law and instead only granted the legal status of a civil union, people on both sides wouldn’t have anything to fight about. If you want to be married, you should find a church, and you would be free to find whatever church recognized your view of what a marriage was.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mike92104]
This is exactly why I think the govt should get out of the marriage business. Morality issues should be left to the church. Civil Unions for all I say.[/quote]

Why should the government recognize anything that the church does? Keep it separate.

Marriage is just a word. Why should the church have monopoly?[/quote]

Marriage being just a word is kind of my point. It’s a word that many people associate some sort of moral or religious connotation to. “Civil Union” on the other hand is simply a legal classification. I feel that if the government took the word marriage out of the law and instead only granted the legal status of a civil union, people on both sides wouldn’t have anything to fight about. If you want to be married, you should find a church, and you would be free to find whatever church recognized your view of what a marriage was.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=mike92104]
This is exactly why I think the govt should get out of the marriage business. Morality issues should be left to the church. Civil Unions for all I say.[/quote]

Why should the government recognize anything that the church does? Keep it separate.

Marriage is just a word. Why should the church have monopoly?[/quote]

Marriage being just a word is kind of my point. It’s a word that many people associate some sort of moral or religious connotation to. “Civil Union” on the other hand is simply a legal classification. I feel that if the government took the word marriage out of the law and instead only granted the legal status of a civil union, people on both sides wouldn’t have anything to fight about. If you want to be married, you should find a church, and you would be free to find whatever church recognized your view of what a marriage was.

[temeculaguy]

Morally corrupt?? So the world used to be better? By my calculations, almost the entire history of mankind was far more morally corrupt than it is today. Slavery existed in most parts of the globe, not just in this country and not just blacks, people all over the world, entire cultures and races were enslaved, how does that stack up morally vs. the supposed decay we have today. How about the routine genocide, raping and pillaging that went on for centuries, were those the good ole days? The only countries that practice God’s law today, where religion supercedes the will of the people, are mostly islamic countries and they can be the most repressive, but they read a different book so you can dismiss them.

I all for your right to believe what you want, I know my words wont change your opinion but you have to realize that for most of us, religious texts aren’t to be taken literally. They were verbally handed down for generations, modified for political and economic reasons over time and sometimes were in another language that doesn’t always translate well enough to use as a legal argument. I’m gonna die one day, probably within a few decades and I am so excited to finally figure it all out. I’ll wager a beer in heaven that the number of commandments was not ten, somebody took one out or slipped one in, I just know it (Don’t be dick to waiters was probably number 11, but that’s another topic). I just love talking to the guys that doorknock on Saturday mornings cause their version of the rules says god’s law forbids certain celebrations. I always argue that one with them, I’m nice, I tell them they are good people but I think somebody was in a bad mood and edited their book long ago. Why would god hate valentines day? I hate the taste of those little chalk flavored hearts as much as the next guy, but it’s just fun to show affection and to teach kids to give a card to all the girls, it’s your earliest exposure to net fishing. Birthday’s, who doesn’t like cake and ice cream and singing songs, why does hate that? My god is cool with that, my god prefers that to telling people they are wrong for feeling the way they do even when they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m gonna miss football and basketball, I’ll probably miss porn (can’t imagine any god allows internet porn which is why I’m getting my quota in now) but what i wont miss is people telling me what god says, I really think it will be awesome to get into a religious argument and just say, “whatever, let’s just call him, I’ve got his cell phone number.”

[temeculaguy]

Morally corrupt?? So the world used to be better? By my calculations, almost the entire history of mankind was far more morally corrupt than it is today. Slavery existed in most parts of the globe, not just in this country and not just blacks, people all over the world, entire cultures and races were enslaved, how does that stack up morally vs. the supposed decay we have today. How about the routine genocide, raping and pillaging that went on for centuries, were those the good ole days? The only countries that practice God’s law today, where religion supercedes the will of the people, are mostly islamic countries and they can be the most repressive, but they read a different book so you can dismiss them.

I all for your right to believe what you want, I know my words wont change your opinion but you have to realize that for most of us, religious texts aren’t to be taken literally. They were verbally handed down for generations, modified for political and economic reasons over time and sometimes were in another language that doesn’t always translate well enough to use as a legal argument. I’m gonna die one day, probably within a few decades and I am so excited to finally figure it all out. I’ll wager a beer in heaven that the number of commandments was not ten, somebody took one out or slipped one in, I just know it (Don’t be dick to waiters was probably number 11, but that’s another topic). I just love talking to the guys that doorknock on Saturday mornings cause their version of the rules says god’s law forbids certain celebrations. I always argue that one with them, I’m nice, I tell them they are good people but I think somebody was in a bad mood and edited their book long ago. Why would god hate valentines day? I hate the taste of those little chalk flavored hearts as much as the next guy, but it’s just fun to show affection and to teach kids to give a card to all the girls, it’s your earliest exposure to net fishing. Birthday’s, who doesn’t like cake and ice cream and singing songs, why does hate that? My god is cool with that, my god prefers that to telling people they are wrong for feeling the way they do even when they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m gonna miss football and basketball, I’ll probably miss porn (can’t imagine any god allows internet porn which is why I’m getting my quota in now) but what i wont miss is people telling me what god says, I really think it will be awesome to get into a religious argument and just say, “whatever, let’s just call him, I’ve got his cell phone number.”

[temeculaguy]

Morally corrupt?? So the world used to be better? By my calculations, almost the entire history of mankind was far more morally corrupt than it is today. Slavery existed in most parts of the globe, not just in this country and not just blacks, people all over the world, entire cultures and races were enslaved, how does that stack up morally vs. the supposed decay we have today. How about the routine genocide, raping and pillaging that went on for centuries, were those the good ole days? The only countries that practice God’s law today, where religion supercedes the will of the people, are mostly islamic countries and they can be the most repressive, but they read a different book so you can dismiss them.

I all for your right to believe what you want, I know my words wont change your opinion but you have to realize that for most of us, religious texts aren’t to be taken literally. They were verbally handed down for generations, modified for political and economic reasons over time and sometimes were in another language that doesn’t always translate well enough to use as a legal argument. I’m gonna die one day, probably within a few decades and I am so excited to finally figure it all out. I’ll wager a beer in heaven that the number of commandments was not ten, somebody took one out or slipped one in, I just know it (Don’t be dick to waiters was probably number 11, but that’s another topic). I just love talking to the guys that doorknock on Saturday mornings cause their version of the rules says god’s law forbids certain celebrations. I always argue that one with them, I’m nice, I tell them they are good people but I think somebody was in a bad mood and edited their book long ago. Why would god hate valentines day? I hate the taste of those little chalk flavored hearts as much as the next guy, but it’s just fun to show affection and to teach kids to give a card to all the girls, it’s your earliest exposure to net fishing. Birthday’s, who doesn’t like cake and ice cream and singing songs, why does hate that? My god is cool with that, my god prefers that to telling people they are wrong for feeling the way they do even when they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m gonna miss football and basketball, I’ll probably miss porn (can’t imagine any god allows internet porn which is why I’m getting my quota in now) but what i wont miss is people telling me what god says, I really think it will be awesome to get into a religious argument and just say, “whatever, let’s just call him, I’ve got his cell phone number.”

[temeculaguy]

Morally corrupt?? So the world used to be better? By my calculations, almost the entire history of mankind was far more morally corrupt than it is today. Slavery existed in most parts of the globe, not just in this country and not just blacks, people all over the world, entire cultures and races were enslaved, how does that stack up morally vs. the supposed decay we have today. How about the routine genocide, raping and pillaging that went on for centuries, were those the good ole days? The only countries that practice God’s law today, where religion supercedes the will of the people, are mostly islamic countries and they can be the most repressive, but they read a different book so you can dismiss them.

I all for your right to believe what you want, I know my words wont change your opinion but you have to realize that for most of us, religious texts aren’t to be taken literally. They were verbally handed down for generations, modified for political and economic reasons over time and sometimes were in another language that doesn’t always translate well enough to use as a legal argument. I’m gonna die one day, probably within a few decades and I am so excited to finally figure it all out. I’ll wager a beer in heaven that the number of commandments was not ten, somebody took one out or slipped one in, I just know it (Don’t be dick to waiters was probably number 11, but that’s another topic). I just love talking to the guys that doorknock on Saturday mornings cause their version of the rules says god’s law forbids certain celebrations. I always argue that one with them, I’m nice, I tell them they are good people but I think somebody was in a bad mood and edited their book long ago. Why would god hate valentines day? I hate the taste of those little chalk flavored hearts as much as the next guy, but it’s just fun to show affection and to teach kids to give a card to all the girls, it’s your earliest exposure to net fishing. Birthday’s, who doesn’t like cake and ice cream and singing songs, why does hate that? My god is cool with that, my god prefers that to telling people they are wrong for feeling the way they do even when they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m gonna miss football and basketball, I’ll probably miss porn (can’t imagine any god allows internet porn which is why I’m getting my quota in now) but what i wont miss is people telling me what god says, I really think it will be awesome to get into a religious argument and just say, “whatever, let’s just call him, I’ve got his cell phone number.”

[temeculaguy]

Morally corrupt?? So the world used to be better? By my calculations, almost the entire history of mankind was far more morally corrupt than it is today. Slavery existed in most parts of the globe, not just in this country and not just blacks, people all over the world, entire cultures and races were enslaved, how does that stack up morally vs. the supposed decay we have today. How about the routine genocide, raping and pillaging that went on for centuries, were those the good ole days? The only countries that practice God’s law today, where religion supercedes the will of the people, are mostly islamic countries and they can be the most repressive, but they read a different book so you can dismiss them.

I all for your right to believe what you want, I know my words wont change your opinion but you have to realize that for most of us, religious texts aren’t to be taken literally. They were verbally handed down for generations, modified for political and economic reasons over time and sometimes were in another language that doesn’t always translate well enough to use as a legal argument. I’m gonna die one day, probably within a few decades and I am so excited to finally figure it all out. I’ll wager a beer in heaven that the number of commandments was not ten, somebody took one out or slipped one in, I just know it (Don’t be dick to waiters was probably number 11, but that’s another topic). I just love talking to the guys that doorknock on Saturday mornings cause their version of the rules says god’s law forbids certain celebrations. I always argue that one with them, I’m nice, I tell them they are good people but I think somebody was in a bad mood and edited their book long ago. Why would god hate valentines day? I hate the taste of those little chalk flavored hearts as much as the next guy, but it’s just fun to show affection and to teach kids to give a card to all the girls, it’s your earliest exposure to net fishing. Birthday’s, who doesn’t like cake and ice cream and singing songs, why does hate that? My god is cool with that, my god prefers that to telling people they are wrong for feeling the way they do even when they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m gonna miss football and basketball, I’ll probably miss porn (can’t imagine any god allows internet porn which is why I’m getting my quota in now) but what i wont miss is people telling me what god says, I really think it will be awesome to get into a religious argument and just say, “whatever, let’s just call him, I’ve got his cell phone number.”

[Arraya]

[quote=NewtGingrichToSanDiego]As Christians we need not be upset about this ruling or any other ruling that contradicts God’s laws. We have the assurances of God’s love, protection, and salvation. No matter how sinful this world becomes, we have God to trust in and have faith that He is in control. In fact, this decision should give us reason to rejoice. This is just another step closer to the second coming of Christ. In the last days it’s prophsied that evil will become good, and good evil,

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20

The more this world declines into a moral corrupt state, and puts evil above good, the faster the second coming will get here. As Christians we need to rejoice, prepare, and be ready.[/quote]
‘

Actually, there are many historians that credit Christianity and it’s anti-science/knowledge stance, as a contributing factor to Rome’s decline. Of course, this lead to the “dark ages” and fun things such as burning scientists at the stake. During this time, when the Roman shit was hitting the Roman fan, the Christian ‘s blamed the gays. I guess some things never change.

[Arraya]

[quote=NewtGingrichToSanDiego]As Christians we need not be upset about this ruling or any other ruling that contradicts God’s laws. We have the assurances of God’s love, protection, and salvation. No matter how sinful this world becomes, we have God to trust in and have faith that He is in control. In fact, this decision should give us reason to rejoice. This is just another step closer to the second coming of Christ. In the last days it’s prophsied that evil will become good, and good evil,

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20

The more this world declines into a moral corrupt state, and puts evil above good, the faster the second coming will get here. As Christians we need to rejoice, prepare, and be ready.[/quote]
‘

Actually, there are many historians that credit Christianity and it’s anti-science/knowledge stance, as a contributing factor to Rome’s decline. Of course, this lead to the “dark ages” and fun things such as burning scientists at the stake. During this time, when the Roman shit was hitting the Roman fan, the Christian ‘s blamed the gays. I guess some things never change.

[Arraya]

[quote=NewtGingrichToSanDiego]As Christians we need not be upset about this ruling or any other ruling that contradicts God’s laws. We have the assurances of God’s love, protection, and salvation. No matter how sinful this world becomes, we have God to trust in and have faith that He is in control. In fact, this decision should give us reason to rejoice. This is just another step closer to the second coming of Christ. In the last days it’s prophsied that evil will become good, and good evil,

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20

The more this world declines into a moral corrupt state, and puts evil above good, the faster the second coming will get here. As Christians we need to rejoice, prepare, and be ready.[/quote]
‘

Actually, there are many historians that credit Christianity and it’s anti-science/knowledge stance, as a contributing factor to Rome’s decline. Of course, this lead to the “dark ages” and fun things such as burning scientists at the stake. During this time, when the Roman shit was hitting the Roman fan, the Christian ‘s blamed the gays. I guess some things never change.

[Arraya]

[quote=NewtGingrichToSanDiego]As Christians we need not be upset about this ruling or any other ruling that contradicts God’s laws. We have the assurances of God’s love, protection, and salvation. No matter how sinful this world becomes, we have God to trust in and have faith that He is in control. In fact, this decision should give us reason to rejoice. This is just another step closer to the second coming of Christ. In the last days it’s prophsied that evil will become good, and good evil,

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! – Isaiah 5:20

The more this world declines into a moral corrupt state, and puts evil above good, the faster the second coming will get here. As Christians we need to rejoice, prepare, and be ready.[/quote]
‘

Actually, there are many historians that credit Christianity and it’s anti-science/knowledge stance, as a contributing factor to Rome’s decline. Of course, this lead to the “dark ages” and fun things such as burning scientists at the stake. During this time, when the Roman shit was hitting the Roman fan, the Christian ‘s blamed the gays. I guess some things never change.

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