OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[Shadowfax]

[quote=flu]Do you realize what you are saying here? It’s YOUR viewpoint that kids don’t get enough physical activity.. It’s YOUR viewpoint that we should spend more resources in school on encouraging more physical activity beyond x. The problem with this is just that. IT’s your viewpoint, and you’re asking for the school to make things mandatory in a public school in which other parents do not share the same viewpoint as you.

Public schools need to be lowest common denominator. It’s for that very reason why they never have and never will, and probably never should teach subjects like personal finance in a public school…It’s PERSONAL finance. Not everyone shares the same viewpoints on finances as you do. You and I think it’s horrible to ATM to death equity in a house and get foreclosed on…There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.

But consider the other extreme. Let’s assume the majority of americans are financially irresponsible. And that the majority consumers feel like it’s ok to borrow money and make minimum payments…Would you be ok if some politician decides to put into a public school curriculum that teaches kids that you can borrow $10,000 on a credit card and only make $10 monthly payments and that no one needs to return the money anytime soon,and if you can’t afford to pay off the debt, it’s the bank’s fault? Probably not..And that’s why some of these topics shouldn’t ever be taught in school….And for your kid the next day to come home and say “Mommy/daddy, my teacher taught me that I can get a credit card and spend $10,000 now, and only pay $10 everyone month, and it’s fine”…Sexuality is another such grey area topic (and anything that touches it)…[/quote]

Actually, no, I don’t think schools should be paying for athletic programs. It’s nice when they do, but I wouldn’t require it. My statements were general to the state of our youth at large–that they are poorly nourished and too sedentary. We are lucky that our school does provide PE several times a week, but the kids can get activity in a recess period.

I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.[/quote]

The problem with right-wing folks is that they are afraid of their kids contradicting them through learning in school.

They want to keep their kids narrow-minded just like them.

Right-wing parents blow gaskets when their kids come home and tell them about something that is contrary to the parents’ beliefs or behavior.

Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.[/quote]

The problem with right-wing folks is that they are afraid of their kids contradicting them through learning in school.

They want to keep their kids narrow-minded just like them.

Right-wing parents blow gaskets when their kids come home and tell them about something that is contrary to the parents’ beliefs or behavior.

Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.[/quote]

The problem with right-wing folks is that they are afraid of their kids contradicting them through learning in school.

They want to keep their kids narrow-minded just like them.

Right-wing parents blow gaskets when their kids come home and tell them about something that is contrary to the parents’ beliefs or behavior.

Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.[/quote]

The problem with right-wing folks is that they are afraid of their kids contradicting them through learning in school.

They want to keep their kids narrow-minded just like them.

Right-wing parents blow gaskets when their kids come home and tell them about something that is contrary to the parents’ beliefs or behavior.

Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.

[briansd1]

[quote=flu]There’s plenty of people that don’t share your viewpoint and if you were to TEACH the subject matter that borrowing at 20%APR on a credit card is BAD, there is probably some J6P that doesn’t think that’s the case and there probably some other person who knows it’s bad but can’t help it for whatever reasons.[/quote]

The problem with right-wing folks is that they are afraid of their kids contradicting them through learning in school.

They want to keep their kids narrow-minded just like them.

Right-wing parents blow gaskets when their kids come home and tell them about something that is contrary to the parents’ beliefs or behavior.

Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Shadowfax] . . . I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.[/quote]

Exactly, Shadowfax. Well said!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Shadowfax] . . . I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.[/quote]

Exactly, Shadowfax. Well said!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Shadowfax] . . . I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.[/quote]

Exactly, Shadowfax. Well said!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Shadowfax] . . . I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.[/quote]

Exactly, Shadowfax. Well said!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Shadowfax] . . . I think life skills would be a nice 1 or 2 session course, an elective in high school–something multidisciplinary with elements from math, science and health. I am not advocating that it should be required. It would be nice though to have it presented in an organized way. (Maybe the credit card interest can be covered in one lesson in a math class–math applied to the real world.) And, like any other subject, it should be inclusive, so you can present what a credit card is, what interest is, what a savings account or investment account is and run some scenarios. Show what happens when you pay it off in full and show what happens when you only pay the minimum. Then let the kids decide. You are making this too extreme to be a coherent argument, flu. Just present the schools of thought and let reasonably intelligent, almost-adults come to their own conclusions.[/quote]

Exactly, Shadowfax. Well said!

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.[/quote]

Not much different from a Texan girl asking about government-sponsored slaughter of unborn children that happens every day.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.[/quote]

Not much different from a Texan girl asking about government-sponsored slaughter of unborn children that happens every day.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.[/quote]

Not much different from a Texan girl asking about government-sponsored slaughter of unborn children that happens every day.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
Imagine a boy coming home from school and asking his right-wing dad about gay marriage (a current topic of debate). The dad would start fuming and cussing. Next thing you know, the next morning, he’ll be confronting the teacher in the schoolyard.[/quote]

Not much different from a Texan girl asking about government-sponsored slaughter of unborn children that happens every day.

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