OT: Gay History in California Public Schools

[scaredyclassic]

of course it was only normal to want to touch that little girl at that specific time and place. If I did to that little girl today what i wanted to do back then, I’d be serving a lengthy prison term.

of course, that little girl doesn’t exist anymore, she’s all grown, I suppose, or perhaps dead. Anyway, she was. As was I.

So my desire was “normal” at the time, but only because of the happenstance that we were the same age. That same desire for that same girl, but emanating from my old, decrepit self, is decidedly less normal and far more rare than homosexuality.

So my point is, I think, that even heterosexual longings that may be normal at a speciifc time and place for sepcific male-female couplings can become utterly sick in another context.

Probably anything human that is healthy in one context can be sick in another.

. You may teach your chidlren that it’s ok to lust for that girl in their junior high school class, so long as they rapidly grow out of desiring that age group and target their age bracket upwards. Until they get sufficiently old at which point they might want to consider targeting their age bracket lust points downward, but in any event over the age of 18, or the age of consent.

In any event, stay within the normal legal limits. we can cover all this at home, no need to teach this at school

[gandalf]

[quote=Rustico]I do perceive that there are some similarities in in this agenda, with the push to have intelligent design to be taught. It is more about a political will for social engineering than real substantive content for students.[/quote]

I agree with you about the activist ‘gay agenda’, Russ. But there’s a huge difference. The struggle for gay rights actually happened. It’s a legitimate and factual part of the social history of America. It’s okay to include a couple of paragraphs in a history textbook.

I don’t believe intelligent design should be in a science textbook because it is not science. The scientific method involves hypothesis and experimentation based on measurable, empirical, repeatable observations and models of the physical world.

ID has no basis in science. Has anybody proven the existence of God? That would be news! “Scientists prove: God Exists!” And he’s Christian! Is it okay to include Intelligent Design in a religion textbook? Yes. I’m fine with that. Does it belong in a science textbook? No.

[gandalf]

[quote=Rustico]I do perceive that there are some similarities in in this agenda, with the push to have intelligent design to be taught. It is more about a political will for social engineering than real substantive content for students.[/quote]

I agree with you about the activist ‘gay agenda’, Russ. But there’s a huge difference. The struggle for gay rights actually happened. It’s a legitimate and factual part of the social history of America. It’s okay to include a couple of paragraphs in a history textbook.

I don’t believe intelligent design should be in a science textbook because it is not science. The scientific method involves hypothesis and experimentation based on measurable, empirical, repeatable observations and models of the physical world.

ID has no basis in science. Has anybody proven the existence of God? That would be news! “Scientists prove: God Exists!” And he’s Christian! Is it okay to include Intelligent Design in a religion textbook? Yes. I’m fine with that. Does it belong in a science textbook? No.

[gandalf]

[quote=Rustico]I do perceive that there are some similarities in in this agenda, with the push to have intelligent design to be taught. It is more about a political will for social engineering than real substantive content for students.[/quote]

I agree with you about the activist ‘gay agenda’, Russ. But there’s a huge difference. The struggle for gay rights actually happened. It’s a legitimate and factual part of the social history of America. It’s okay to include a couple of paragraphs in a history textbook.

I don’t believe intelligent design should be in a science textbook because it is not science. The scientific method involves hypothesis and experimentation based on measurable, empirical, repeatable observations and models of the physical world.

ID has no basis in science. Has anybody proven the existence of God? That would be news! “Scientists prove: God Exists!” And he’s Christian! Is it okay to include Intelligent Design in a religion textbook? Yes. I’m fine with that. Does it belong in a science textbook? No.

[gandalf]

[quote=Rustico]I do perceive that there are some similarities in in this agenda, with the push to have intelligent design to be taught. It is more about a political will for social engineering than real substantive content for students.[/quote]

I agree with you about the activist ‘gay agenda’, Russ. But there’s a huge difference. The struggle for gay rights actually happened. It’s a legitimate and factual part of the social history of America. It’s okay to include a couple of paragraphs in a history textbook.

I don’t believe intelligent design should be in a science textbook because it is not science. The scientific method involves hypothesis and experimentation based on measurable, empirical, repeatable observations and models of the physical world.

ID has no basis in science. Has anybody proven the existence of God? That would be news! “Scientists prove: God Exists!” And he’s Christian! Is it okay to include Intelligent Design in a religion textbook? Yes. I’m fine with that. Does it belong in a science textbook? No.

[gandalf]

[quote=Rustico]I do perceive that there are some similarities in in this agenda, with the push to have intelligent design to be taught. It is more about a political will for social engineering than real substantive content for students.[/quote]

I agree with you about the activist ‘gay agenda’, Russ. But there’s a huge difference. The struggle for gay rights actually happened. It’s a legitimate and factual part of the social history of America. It’s okay to include a couple of paragraphs in a history textbook.

I don’t believe intelligent design should be in a science textbook because it is not science. The scientific method involves hypothesis and experimentation based on measurable, empirical, repeatable observations and models of the physical world.

ID has no basis in science. Has anybody proven the existence of God? That would be news! “Scientists prove: God Exists!” And he’s Christian! Is it okay to include Intelligent Design in a religion textbook? Yes. I’m fine with that. Does it belong in a science textbook? No.

[Coronita]

How the hell does a politician think that the way to prevent gay/lesbian bullying is by adding more social studies about gay/lesbian history????

Bullying is a general problem…It’s a disciplinary issue that can/should be addressed by a disciplinary action…which if the school was doing it’s job and/or parents doing their respective jobs would be addressed.

Putting a bunch of history lessons on gay/lesbian social studies to counter bullying makes as much sense as expanding the social studies to include all other types/categories of people being bullied, including not limited to

1. Nerds/geeks… Well shit, jocks pick on whimpy nerds/geeks all the time. Why not expand the social studies to include the history of nerds/geeks contribution to our society… Afterall, if we all read about Bill Gates, the next time we see a nerd/geek, we’ll be more sensitive…

2. Obese people. why not include social studies to include the contributions that obese people have made to our society. Obese people in school get picked on all the time. Even liberal folks like some people here (not naming names), who champion diversity, always rails against “fat people”….

When does this hypersensitivity “training” ever going to end???

[Coronita]

How the hell does a politician think that the way to prevent gay/lesbian bullying is by adding more social studies about gay/lesbian history????

Bullying is a general problem…It’s a disciplinary issue that can/should be addressed by a disciplinary action…which if the school was doing it’s job and/or parents doing their respective jobs would be addressed.

Putting a bunch of history lessons on gay/lesbian social studies to counter bullying makes as much sense as expanding the social studies to include all other types/categories of people being bullied, including not limited to

1. Nerds/geeks… Well shit, jocks pick on whimpy nerds/geeks all the time. Why not expand the social studies to include the history of nerds/geeks contribution to our society… Afterall, if we all read about Bill Gates, the next time we see a nerd/geek, we’ll be more sensitive…

2. Obese people. why not include social studies to include the contributions that obese people have made to our society. Obese people in school get picked on all the time. Even liberal folks like some people here (not naming names), who champion diversity, always rails against “fat people”….

When does this hypersensitivity “training” ever going to end???

[Coronita]

How the hell does a politician think that the way to prevent gay/lesbian bullying is by adding more social studies about gay/lesbian history????

Bullying is a general problem…It’s a disciplinary issue that can/should be addressed by a disciplinary action…which if the school was doing it’s job and/or parents doing their respective jobs would be addressed.

Putting a bunch of history lessons on gay/lesbian social studies to counter bullying makes as much sense as expanding the social studies to include all other types/categories of people being bullied, including not limited to

1. Nerds/geeks… Well shit, jocks pick on whimpy nerds/geeks all the time. Why not expand the social studies to include the history of nerds/geeks contribution to our society… Afterall, if we all read about Bill Gates, the next time we see a nerd/geek, we’ll be more sensitive…

2. Obese people. why not include social studies to include the contributions that obese people have made to our society. Obese people in school get picked on all the time. Even liberal folks like some people here (not naming names), who champion diversity, always rails against “fat people”….

When does this hypersensitivity “training” ever going to end???

[Coronita]

How the hell does a politician think that the way to prevent gay/lesbian bullying is by adding more social studies about gay/lesbian history????

Bullying is a general problem…It’s a disciplinary issue that can/should be addressed by a disciplinary action…which if the school was doing it’s job and/or parents doing their respective jobs would be addressed.

Putting a bunch of history lessons on gay/lesbian social studies to counter bullying makes as much sense as expanding the social studies to include all other types/categories of people being bullied, including not limited to

1. Nerds/geeks… Well shit, jocks pick on whimpy nerds/geeks all the time. Why not expand the social studies to include the history of nerds/geeks contribution to our society… Afterall, if we all read about Bill Gates, the next time we see a nerd/geek, we’ll be more sensitive…

2. Obese people. why not include social studies to include the contributions that obese people have made to our society. Obese people in school get picked on all the time. Even liberal folks like some people here (not naming names), who champion diversity, always rails against “fat people”….

When does this hypersensitivity “training” ever going to end???

[Coronita]

How the hell does a politician think that the way to prevent gay/lesbian bullying is by adding more social studies about gay/lesbian history????

Bullying is a general problem…It’s a disciplinary issue that can/should be addressed by a disciplinary action…which if the school was doing it’s job and/or parents doing their respective jobs would be addressed.

Putting a bunch of history lessons on gay/lesbian social studies to counter bullying makes as much sense as expanding the social studies to include all other types/categories of people being bullied, including not limited to

1. Nerds/geeks… Well shit, jocks pick on whimpy nerds/geeks all the time. Why not expand the social studies to include the history of nerds/geeks contribution to our society… Afterall, if we all read about Bill Gates, the next time we see a nerd/geek, we’ll be more sensitive…

2. Obese people. why not include social studies to include the contributions that obese people have made to our society. Obese people in school get picked on all the time. Even liberal folks like some people here (not naming names), who champion diversity, always rails against “fat people”….

When does this hypersensitivity “training” ever going to end???

[jstoesz]

you guys are absolutely missing the point.

I think Brian and Russ and whomever should be able to send their hypothetical kids to any school they wish…

Why are we mandating anything from the federal or state level, save the most basic of analytical skills?

If we had the choice of where our tax dollars went for education this would be a non issue. If we could send our kids the humanist school or the chatholic school or the madrasah, this would not be a concern. Who are we in the general population to question others values and choices? All those who oppose school choice are trying to indoctrinate the kids of others with a unitiversalist or less generously, their view. That is reprehensible. This problem is born from the lack of choice, not the need for a diversity!

[jstoesz]

you guys are absolutely missing the point.

I think Brian and Russ and whomever should be able to send their hypothetical kids to any school they wish…

Why are we mandating anything from the federal or state level, save the most basic of analytical skills?

If we had the choice of where our tax dollars went for education this would be a non issue. If we could send our kids the humanist school or the chatholic school or the madrasah, this would not be a concern. Who are we in the general population to question others values and choices? All those who oppose school choice are trying to indoctrinate the kids of others with a unitiversalist or less generously, their view. That is reprehensible. This problem is born from the lack of choice, not the need for a diversity!

[jstoesz]

you guys are absolutely missing the point.

I think Brian and Russ and whomever should be able to send their hypothetical kids to any school they wish…

Why are we mandating anything from the federal or state level, save the most basic of analytical skills?

If we had the choice of where our tax dollars went for education this would be a non issue. If we could send our kids the humanist school or the chatholic school or the madrasah, this would not be a concern. Who are we in the general population to question others values and choices? All those who oppose school choice are trying to indoctrinate the kids of others with a unitiversalist or less generously, their view. That is reprehensible. This problem is born from the lack of choice, not the need for a diversity!

[jstoesz]

you guys are absolutely missing the point.

I think Brian and Russ and whomever should be able to send their hypothetical kids to any school they wish…

Why are we mandating anything from the federal or state level, save the most basic of analytical skills?

If we had the choice of where our tax dollars went for education this would be a non issue. If we could send our kids the humanist school or the chatholic school or the madrasah, this would not be a concern. Who are we in the general population to question others values and choices? All those who oppose school choice are trying to indoctrinate the kids of others with a unitiversalist or less generously, their view. That is reprehensible. This problem is born from the lack of choice, not the need for a diversity!

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