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  • April 28, 2011 at 10:56 AM #691195
    Shadowfax
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    [quote=swdad]I don’t think you understand what jstoez is trying to convey. But first let me correct you – the phrase “separation of church and state” is *not* in the Constitution. Not sure you realize it but here in San Diego, 43.2% of our property taxes is allocated to public schools. For example, a $300K house at 1.1125%, 43.2% of that is $1442 – that’s a decent chunk of change for a lower-tier home. Again, most people do not agree with homosexuality and especially do not want it shoved down the throats of our children. No…we’re not homophobic, intolerant nor hateful. We simply don’t agree. And I definitely do not agree with allocating 43.2% of my money to institutions that promote this as normal. Promoting sexual orientation does not belong in the classroom and the government should not make it a mandate. As mentioned earlier, my kids attend parochial school, which, by the way is NOT funded by the 43.2% I pay. It would be fair for all if that 43.2% was used as a voucher so that folks can send their children to a school of their choice.[/quote]

    I don’t think you understand that the entirety of your property tax is not being allocated to “promoting sexual orientation.” All the bill advocates doing is including homosexuals in the discourse of applicable classes. And you unfortunately don’t have a choice whether to pay property tax and if you send your kid to parochial school, you HAVE made a choice. It’s just not funded by your taxes.

    Oh, and who are “most people.” I think your view is skewed by those with whom you associate. My views are skewed by the fact that I know and respect a lot of gay people and their straight friends.

    I hope you are not sending your kids to a catholic school, cause then I could say that most of your school’s leaders do believe in homosexuality. But they choose to educate people about in private. (Yes, I have issues with people in leadership taking advantage of kids like that and then LYING about it or covering it up. If you are gay, be gay. Don’t hide behind a psalter then abuse boys in your “spiritual care”.)

    April 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM #690024
    jstoesz
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    There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM #690093
    jstoesz
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    There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM #690705
    jstoesz
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    There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM #690850
    jstoesz
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    There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM #691200
    jstoesz
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    There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:16 AM #690039
    SK in CV
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    [quote=jstoesz]There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.[/quote]

    You’re right jstoesz, there is nothing civil about “i don’t believe in homosexuality”. That’s like saying “I don’t believe in people with a different skin color than my own”. Facts don’t matter. Fairy tales rule.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:16 AM #690108
    SK in CV
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    [quote=jstoesz]There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.[/quote]

    You’re right jstoesz, there is nothing civil about “i don’t believe in homosexuality”. That’s like saying “I don’t believe in people with a different skin color than my own”. Facts don’t matter. Fairy tales rule.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:16 AM #690721
    SK in CV
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    [quote=jstoesz]There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.[/quote]

    You’re right jstoesz, there is nothing civil about “i don’t believe in homosexuality”. That’s like saying “I don’t believe in people with a different skin color than my own”. Facts don’t matter. Fairy tales rule.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:16 AM #690865
    SK in CV
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    [quote=jstoesz]There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.[/quote]

    You’re right jstoesz, there is nothing civil about “i don’t believe in homosexuality”. That’s like saying “I don’t believe in people with a different skin color than my own”. Facts don’t matter. Fairy tales rule.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:16 AM #691215
    SK in CV
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    [quote=jstoesz]There goes that civil discourse…

    Have a nice day.[/quote]

    You’re right jstoesz, there is nothing civil about “i don’t believe in homosexuality”. That’s like saying “I don’t believe in people with a different skin color than my own”. Facts don’t matter. Fairy tales rule.

    April 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM #690044
    jstoesz
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    Honestly, I really don’t care. I was not trying to wade into the morality of the issue. I was not trying to cast stones or label who threw the first. I don’t care. But this issue that you all are having is not going to go away if we all agreed on homosexual curriculum. There will always be another issue to educate someone else’s kids about. Some other state of federal mandate for some other tertiary or even core issue. The real difference, the more basic disagreement, is one of control. How much do we want the federal or state government to politicize our child’s education? The very same people who were railing against Intelligent Design (no I do not wish to open this can of worms either) as not fit for schools are now in favor of gay sensitivity training. Their position has changed because the subject matter has changed.

    If you can not admit that you want to teach other people’s kids your own worldview, then this discussion is pointless. The corollary here is that you also want to drown out other people’s world views in the process. This is absurd, and this game will never end. If you want the government to have this level of control, one day you will find yourself in the minority, with your tax dollars getting siphoned off in huge amounts to support things you find offensive. And that too is wrong!

    April 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM #690113
    jstoesz
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    Honestly, I really don’t care. I was not trying to wade into the morality of the issue. I was not trying to cast stones or label who threw the first. I don’t care. But this issue that you all are having is not going to go away if we all agreed on homosexual curriculum. There will always be another issue to educate someone else’s kids about. Some other state of federal mandate for some other tertiary or even core issue. The real difference, the more basic disagreement, is one of control. How much do we want the federal or state government to politicize our child’s education? The very same people who were railing against Intelligent Design (no I do not wish to open this can of worms either) as not fit for schools are now in favor of gay sensitivity training. Their position has changed because the subject matter has changed.

    If you can not admit that you want to teach other people’s kids your own worldview, then this discussion is pointless. The corollary here is that you also want to drown out other people’s world views in the process. This is absurd, and this game will never end. If you want the government to have this level of control, one day you will find yourself in the minority, with your tax dollars getting siphoned off in huge amounts to support things you find offensive. And that too is wrong!

    April 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM #690726
    jstoesz
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    Honestly, I really don’t care. I was not trying to wade into the morality of the issue. I was not trying to cast stones or label who threw the first. I don’t care. But this issue that you all are having is not going to go away if we all agreed on homosexual curriculum. There will always be another issue to educate someone else’s kids about. Some other state of federal mandate for some other tertiary or even core issue. The real difference, the more basic disagreement, is one of control. How much do we want the federal or state government to politicize our child’s education? The very same people who were railing against Intelligent Design (no I do not wish to open this can of worms either) as not fit for schools are now in favor of gay sensitivity training. Their position has changed because the subject matter has changed.

    If you can not admit that you want to teach other people’s kids your own worldview, then this discussion is pointless. The corollary here is that you also want to drown out other people’s world views in the process. This is absurd, and this game will never end. If you want the government to have this level of control, one day you will find yourself in the minority, with your tax dollars getting siphoned off in huge amounts to support things you find offensive. And that too is wrong!

    April 28, 2011 at 11:43 AM #690870
    jstoesz
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    Honestly, I really don’t care. I was not trying to wade into the morality of the issue. I was not trying to cast stones or label who threw the first. I don’t care. But this issue that you all are having is not going to go away if we all agreed on homosexual curriculum. There will always be another issue to educate someone else’s kids about. Some other state of federal mandate for some other tertiary or even core issue. The real difference, the more basic disagreement, is one of control. How much do we want the federal or state government to politicize our child’s education? The very same people who were railing against Intelligent Design (no I do not wish to open this can of worms either) as not fit for schools are now in favor of gay sensitivity training. Their position has changed because the subject matter has changed.

    If you can not admit that you want to teach other people’s kids your own worldview, then this discussion is pointless. The corollary here is that you also want to drown out other people’s world views in the process. This is absurd, and this game will never end. If you want the government to have this level of control, one day you will find yourself in the minority, with your tax dollars getting siphoned off in huge amounts to support things you find offensive. And that too is wrong!

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