ot ferguson

[NotCranky]

Can I get kicked off the blog for making inappropriate political comments to someone who was already kicked off the blog for making inappropriate political comments?

[FlyerInHi]

CAr, the officer’s right to use deadly force will be the focus of the trial.

Yes, criminals and many blacks have a culture of insolence and confrontation. But it doesn’t mean they should be shot to death. Plus, having the right to shot doesn’t mean you insist on using it. Insisting on shooting is illegal just as insisting on the right-of-way while driving would put you at fault if you could have avoided an accident by yielding. I believe they teach that in gun classes.

The point is that we value life above almost anything else. And that is the standard by which we judge things.

The facts that Brown was big, confrontational and a thief are all irrelevant. The outcome of the case will hinge on whether Brown was charging at or submitting to Wilson, when Wilson killed Brown.

According to a legal analyst, someone can punch an officer in the nose, then turn around and submit. It would be illegal for the cop to kill the assailant.

As far as cops taking care of their own, I bet the police chief could take back all he did. Had he handled the situation differently, it would have been a local trial without all the national attention. Wilson would have gotten off easy. Case closed.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi]CAr, the officer’s right to use deadly force will be the focus of the trial.[/quote]

It is the focus of the current investigation, to determine whether charges will be brought and, if necessary, a trial. But, you’ve already determined there is no need for an investigation, right? To hell with the facts and the law, just charge the officer and lock him up.

[quote=FlyerInHi]Yes, criminals and many blacks have a culture of insolence and confrontation.[/quote]

I see. Now, these criminals you speak of – what race are they? Presumably you are referring to non-black criminals that have a culture of insolence and confrontation. And just many blacks, in general, have a culture of insolence and confrontation.

[quote=FlyerInHi]But it doesn’t mean they should be shot to death.[/quote]

Find one quote from anybody, anywhere who has made this contention. I’ll wait.

[quote=FlyerInHi]Plus, having the right to shot doesn’t mean you insist on using it. Insisting on shooting is illegal just as insisting on the right-of-way while driving would put you at fault if you could have avoided an accident by yielding. I believe they teach that in gun classes. [/quote]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. You have no training or background to support anything you’re saying. Definitely trolling now.

[quote=FlyerInHi]The point is that we value life above almost anything else. And that is the standard by which we judge things.[/quote]

Out of curiosity, what are those things that you value above life?

[afx114]

[quote=flu]What I am curious though is would this “outrage” have been any different if, instead of being a white man,

the cop was

1. a woman
or
2. african american
or
3. hispanic
or
4. asian

I think it’s stretching for some to be concluding that that Wilson is a racist, and yet Holder seems to be hell bent on bring up civil rights violation.
That I find very disturbing, again imho the entire double standard thing…[/quote]

I’m curious if the “outrage” would be different if it was an un-armed white tea-partier who was shot 6 times. Would that be enough to make all the Cliven Bundy tough guys start whining about tyranny again?

It’s so very interesting to me that somehow subsidized healthcare and same-sex marriage is tyranny, but a militarized police force literally repressing the freedom of press and assembly is not. It’s like all of these people who have been crying tyranny for the past 6 years are finally seeing what they warned us about, but they are no where to be found. In fact, they’re on the side of the militarized police force! Why is that?

They just raided a church today, by the way. Where are all the our-religion-is-being-oppressed whiners now? Oh, it was a black church? Nevermind then…

It’s fucking pathetic…

[FlyerInHi]

I have a concealed weapons permit and the training associated with obtaining one.

Why even bring up that fact that someone is a confrontational thug, when that’s irrelevant, unless it’s somehow to justify the shooting?

It’s not what I value. It’s what we as a society value and the laws that we put in place to reflect those common values. Plenty of people don’t value life and would just as well shoot suspected criminals.

Sometimes we value retribution over life. That’s why we have the death penalty.

I didn’t say the officer is guilty. I said hold him and question him like any other suspect.

[NotCranky]

Links to the specific church raid?

[afx114]

https://twitter.com/jelani9

[NotCranky]

[quote=afx114]https://twitter.com/jelani9[/quote]
Thanks,
I am not against investigating any church “white” or “black” for potential crimes.

In this case maybe they should have let Eric Sharpton, I mean , Holder do it?

[afx114]

Me either, but I’d love to see all my right winger family members FB feeds if a White Baptist church was surrounded/investigated by a militarized police force. For sure it would be a sign that Barry Hussein the Mooslum was starting his plan to annihilate White Christians. “SEE! WE TOLD YOU!”

Yet, not a peep from them about Ferguson. Huh, funny, that.

[NotCranky]

[quote=afx114]Me either, but I’d love to see all my right winger family members FB feeds if a White Baptist church was surrounded/investigated by a militarized police force. For sure it would be a sign that Barry Hussein the Mooslum was starting his plan to annihilate White Christians. “SEE! WE TOLD YOU!”

Yet, not a peep from them about Ferguson. Huh, funny, that.[/quote]

Yeah, I guess there are some like that.

Was this “raid” particularly “militaristic” or was it more of a visit or what?
Maybe the police suspected some of the looters and fire bomb throwers to be sleeping there. Would it be wrong to show up with some appropriate show of force under those circumstances?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Blogstar][…] There were not a lot of witnesses and apparently fewer legit ones, that means the police report is mainly what the cop says and what some liars say. […][/quote]

What distinguishes the “legit” witness from those who are not?

How do you know there is distinction between the cop and the “liars?”

Who has a reason to lie?

[NotCranky]

I dont know if there are any “legit ” witnesses. I have read rumors that there are plenty but I don’t know.

I don’t know if the cops are going to lie like crazy , I don’t know if they have a whole lot to lie about or not.

Crazy biased people have a reason to lie and guilty people have a reason to lie.

[NotCranky]

With all the speculation based stories out there I wonder why a likely hood that the giant committed “Suicided by Cop” isn’t getting more press. Maybe is was un-premeditated suicide by cop?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=afx114]
It’s so very interesting to me that somehow subsidized healthcare and same-sex marriage is tyranny, but a militarized police force literally repressing the freedom of press and assembly is not. It’s like all of these people who have been crying tyranny for the past 6 years are finally seeing what they warned us about, but they are no where to be found. In fact, they’re on the side of the militarized police force! Why is that?

[/quote]

To be fair, the position of the Tea Party is against police militarization. There are lots of schisms in their midst.

http://www.teaparty.org/11-shocking-facts-americas-militarized-police-forces-46074/

It won’t be long before a militarized swat team raids some dude’s house to take his guns away.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I have a concealed weapons permit and the training associated with obtaining one.

Why even bring up that fact that someone is a confrontational thug, when that’s irrelevant, unless it’s somehow to justify the shooting?

It’s not what I value. It’s what we as a society value and the laws that we put in place to reflect those common values. Plenty of people don’t value life and would just as well shoot suspected criminals.

Sometimes we value retribution over life. That’s why we have the death penalty.

I didn’t say the officer is guilty. I said hold him and question him like any other suspect.[/quote]

Good job ignoring what doesn’t fit your narrative.

So, you took a one time course sometime in the past, which allows you to have a CCW permit. You equate that stupid course with the training that officers obtain in the police academy, along with mandatory ongoing training. And that course makes you an expert in what the procedures are when an officer is involved in an on-duty shooting. Got it.

The video you bitch about, which doesn’t fit in with your agenda, was released after the Police Chief sat on it. He finally released it after the pressure put on him by the various FOIA requests demanding it. He also didn’t want to release it until after the mother was able to review it. I’m guessing you would feel the same about a video showing the officer engaging in prior bad behavior unrelated to this event? You would be outraged?

You exact quote was that “The cop needs to be arrested and charged with murder.” It’s scary that your application to carry a concealed firearm was approved.

When a police officer shoots someone in the line of duty, they aren’t simply arrested and charged with murder. They are put on administrative leave and an investigation is conducted. That’s standard in every police department across the Nation. Fortunately, they don’t change the procedures and laws based on unreasonable angry mobs and internet know-it-alls with a bias.

Of course the police will argue he shot in self defense. He is authorized to use deadly force to defend himself or someone else from great bodily harm or death. Recently, it was revealed that the police officer had his face severely bashed in by the criminal before any shots were fired. Busted his eye socket.

Let me guess, those facts shouldn’t have been revealed, and it is just a blatant attempt at tarnishing this gentle giants reputation. You are so emotionally invested because of your bias against the police that you won’t even consider the facts in this case.

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