ot ferguson

[FlyerInHi]

There are probably not many good jobs in furguson.

I see local government as corrupt institutions handing out patronage jobs in the southern tradition. The residents are right to be upset.

[flyer]

[quote=flu]I think there’s a great chance of rioting if they redraw school district lines in carmel valley :([/quote]

What’s happening in Ferguson is sad, and I hope there is some resolution soon. I don’t think there will be any easy answers.

To flu’s point concerning something like this happening in San Diego. Even though it might seem improbable, it’s probably true that the only time an issue would reach that level of protest here would be if it concerned school districting, etc.

Along those lines–I’m still amazed there aren’t more “protests” from recent college grads (or their parents) when they find out 90% of them aren’t getting the jobs they want when they graduate.

[Hobie]

With fewer jobs available, it makes staying in school longer seem ok. And not complaining about impacted classes forcing students to spend an extra year or two on what should be a 4 year program.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=flyer][quote=flu]I think there’s a great chance of rioting if they redraw school district lines in carmel valley :([/quote]

What’s happening in Ferguson is sad, and I hope there is some resolution soon. I don’t think there will be any easy answers.

To flu’s point concerning something like this happening in San Diego. Even though it might seem improbable, it’s probably true that the only time an issue would reach that level of protest here would be if it concerned school districting, etc.

Along those lines–I’m still amazed there aren’t more “protests” from recent college grads (or their parents) when they find out 90% of them aren’t getting the jobs they want when they graduate.[/quote]

School redistricting will soon be a moot point, seriously how long do you think it will be before all these general ed courses will all be standardized computer generated courses and all schools in SoCal will be require to teach exactly the same computer generated course for every class.
To get something special you will need to go private, but they will probably make them use the same standard as well LOL.

Both my niece and nephew were very disappointed that they had to take PV Jobs after earning a Master’s in computer science. They did not seem to understand you need to get your foot in the door and get some experience, oh well maybe they will be happier when they get their PHD’s LOL.

[spdrun]

^^^

The teacher makes and breaks the course as much as the material itself. A kum-puker can’t inspire and push students like a good teacher can.

Also, there are plenty of factors beyond core courses. Extracurriculars. Safety/location of the school building. Etc.

[spdrun]

^^^

Shoveler, you say some pretty interesting and smart things, but this one takes the cake for boneheadedness, sorry to say.

The teacher makes and breaks the course as much as the material itself. A kum-puker can’t inspire and push students like a good teacher can.

Also, there are plenty of factors beyond core courses. Extracurriculars. Safety/location of the school building. Etc.

[The-Shoveler]

OK I will concede the point that a school in a not so good area will still be a substandard school as far as environment, activities etc…
But the difference between a great school and an OK school today will become almost nil soon.
It will be more about neighborhoods that school districts IMO.

Besides I have seen some very exceptional students come from the worse schools in L.A.
It’s a lot more about the student than the school IMO.

[The-Shoveler]

If you take a C student and move them to CV it’s not going to automatically make him/her an A student.
He/she has to want it.

[spdrun]

People have been saying that ever since Guttenberg invented the printing press. Obtaining the course/reading materials isn’t the tricky part.

I may add that a computer simulation is a really shit substitute for things like:
(1) theatre coaching
(2) chemistry/physics/electronics labs
(3) dissections in biology (at least when I went to HS a decade and a half ago, foetal pig was mandatory).
(4) real-time discussions and debates between students, moderated by an excellent teacher

[spdrun]

^^^ Of course, but being surrounded with good teachers and bright, driven students will inspire him/her to want it more than some computer program.

[Coronita]

I’m sorry I hijacked this thread and talked about schools. When we should be talking about how effective the looters are looting Ferguson…

Anyone else notice that right when the riots started, that people were saying that the police using tear gas/riot gear/etc was being too aggressive..Then after a brief lull of calm, the rioters/looters returned and the police temporarily just stood by and did nothing…

You think that was deliberate?

[SK in CV]

[quote=The-Shoveler]If you take a C student and move them to CV it’s not going to automatically make him/her an A student.
He/she has to want it.[/quote]

Probably not. But if you put that C student into the CV household with two other kids that get all A’s, those C’s will improve. School performance is partly about the kids. It’s partly about the teachers. But it’s mostly about their home environment. How crowded back-to-school night is, is a better predictor of school performance than the economic status of the community.

[flyer]

I agree that school performance is greatly influenced by home environment as well as other factors, but, from what we’ve seen with friends who have recent graduates, even when all of the elements are optimum, the success rate in the “real world” seems to be far less than one might expect.

More than ever before in society, kids are being told that if they do everything “by the book,” and jump through all of the hoops in school, they will be automatically be successful in life. IMO, there just seems to be a huge disconnect somewhere, based upon “real world” results.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=The-Shoveler]If you take a C student and move them to CV it’s not going to automatically make him/her an A student.
He/she has to want it.[/quote]

No, like Irvine, his or her parents have to want it to keep up with the rest of the parents in paying for the tutors, SAT prep and kimono (okay I’m not going to correct that autocorrect) courses

Irvine schools test great but the reality is the majority of the school is actually privately taught even in public school since they have such a heavy tutoring and prep camp load

As for ferguson it’s coming. The militarization of police has one end. When you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. The police are militarized and you are an enemy combatant. The Department of Education has it’s own SWAT teams.

Just ask Kelly Thomas

[spdrun]

What the HELL was the jury thinking in the Thomas case? I can see the cops being acquitted of culpable murder, but manslaughter (i.e. reckless disregard for human life) and excessive force under color of law seemed to be provable.

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