OT: Elizabeth Warren Rocks!

[an]

[quote=briansd1]Elizabeth Warren is a decent, honest person. Nobody, even in opposition to her, would say that she’s a repugnant person. [/quote]
I’m sure Palin & Bachmann’s suporter would say the exact same thing about them as you say about Warren. I’m just pointing out the obvious that people usually only support someone they thing is decent and honest. You can disagree with them, and I’m sure they’ll disagree with you as well.

[quote=briansd1]Tea Party policitians are deceitful and prey upon people’s fears and weaknesses. Compared to Warren, Palin is a trashy opportunist.

The 10 poorest states in the nation are the reddest. Is that evidence enough for you? No, I do think people in impoverished Mississippi know what they are voting for.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/21/opinion/martin-gop-poverty/index.html?hpt=hp_c1%5B/quote%5DWhat does being poor have anything to do with knowing what you want? By that same argument, hedge fund managers is better than teachers at knowing what you need.

[svelte]

Excellent, excellent video profhoff.

Agree with it all! And she says it with such conviction – exactly what we need.

I love Obama, but I’d just like to see him get very excited about a topic now and then.

[profhoff]

I’m so frustrated with Obama. What a disappointment!

[an]

[quote=profhoff]I’m so frustrated with Obama. What a disappointment![/quote]
What could Obama have done to make him not be a disappointment?

[patb]

[quote=CA renter]Elizabeth Warren has more intelligence, wisdom, integrity, character, and good sense in her pinky finger than all the members of congress have in their entire bodies, combined.

There are very few people in this world whom I truly admire, but Elizabeth Warren is at the top of the list. I am beyond thrilled that she’s running for Senate.[/quote]
not quite but she is amazing.

She’s a throwback to Sen Fulbright.

[patb]

[quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Elizabeth Warren is a decent, honest person. Nobody, even in opposition to her, would say that she’s a repugnant person. [/quote]
I’m sure Palin & Bachmann’s suporter would say the exact same thing about them as you say about Warren. I’m just pointing out the obvious that people usually only support someone they thing is decent and honest. You can disagree with them, and I’m sure they’ll disagree with you as well.
.[/quote]

Actually Palin/Bachmann supporters use words like Strong or Hard or Tough. They never Describe Bush or Palin or Bachmann as Smart. They use words like She shares our Values.

[Jazzman]

Social contract? Somebody read Hobbes at University. Actually, I think Obama made this point pretty well at the Brent Spence Bridge. They just have different styles and they’re both right of course, which makes the GOP look a little foolish. From the outside looking in, it’s like the US is made up of two distinctly different species.

[an]

[quote=patb][quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Elizabeth Warren is a decent, honest person. Nobody, even in opposition to her, would say that she’s a repugnant person. [/quote]
I’m sure Palin & Bachmann’s suporter would say the exact same thing about them as you say about Warren. I’m just pointing out the obvious that people usually only support someone they thing is decent and honest. You can disagree with them, and I’m sure they’ll disagree with you as well.
.[/quote]

Actually Palin/Bachmann supporters use words like Strong or Hard or Tough. They never Describe Bush or Palin or Bachmann as Smart. They use words like She shares our Values.[/quote]
I just reread mine and Brian’s quotes that you included and neither of us said smart. We said decent and honest.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=profhoff]I’m so frustrated with Obama. What a disappointment![/quote]
What could Obama have done to make him not be a disappointment?[/quote]

I dunno…maybe keep some of the promises he made during his campaign?

Obama has done more to destroy the middle class than Bush did. The financial crisis gave us an unprecedented opportunity to right many of the wrongs that have been perpetrated by those in power — the financial elite. They could have been investigated, tossed in jail, their assets confiscated, and made an example of so that nobody would try that sh!t again, at least not for many decades to come. Instead, Obama (and his puppet masters who control everything) made sure they got record-breaking bonuses **during a financial crisis!!!** and saw to it that nobody was punished, nobody lost their assets, and nobody went to jail.

In the meantime, he (and company) tried to convince us that inflation would somehow solve our problems…that giving even MORE money to the rich would magically make everything alright. He’s not called out the speculators who’ve caused massive inflation in basic commodities that people need to buy in order to live The speculators who’ve caused even more distress among those who were hurt most by the bubble and its aftermath are swimming in more money than they could ever have imagined.

Why didn’t we nationalize the banks and start investigating those who KNEW that their actions were going to cause a collapse of the financial system? Why isn’t Alan Greenspan being investigated? Why aren’t the regulators being investigated? Why aren’t the CEOs of the financial firms being investigated? All we’ve seen are minor slaps on the wrist. It’s an obvious cover-up, and everybody knows it, and Obama knows it, too.

[Arraya]

The moral philosopher Cornel West, if Barack Obama’s ascent to power was a morality play, would be the voice of conscience. Rahm Emanuel, a cynical product of the Chicago political machine, would be Satan. Emanuel in the first scene of the play would dangle power, privilege, fame and money before Obama. West would warn Obama that the quality of a life is defined by its moral commitment, that his legacy will be determined by his willingness to defy the cruel assault by the corporate state and the financial elite against the poor and working men and women, and that justice must never be sacrificed on the altar of power.

Perhaps there was never much of a struggle in Obama’s heart. Perhaps West only provided a moral veneer. Perhaps the dark heart of Emanuel was always the dark heart of Obama. Only Obama knows. But we know how the play ends. West is banished like honest Kent in “King Lear.” Emanuel and immoral mediocrities from Lawrence Summers to Timothy Geithner to Robert Gates—think of Goneril and Regan in the Shakespearean tragedy—take power. We lose. And Obama becomes an obedient servant of the corporate elite in exchange for the hollow trappings of authority.

No one grasps this tragic descent better than West, who did 65 campaign events for Obama, believed in the potential for change and was encouraged by the populist rhetoric of the Obama campaign. He now nurses, like many others who placed their faith in Obama, the anguish of the deceived, manipulated and betrayed. He bitterly describes Obama as “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats. And now he has become head of the American killing machine and is proud of it.”

And even at this moment, when the empire is in deep decline, the culture is in deep decay, the political system is broken, where nearly everyone is up for sale, you say all I have is the subversive memory of those who came before, personal integrity, trying to live a decent life, and a willingness to live and die for the love of folk who are catching hell. This means civil disobedience, going to jail, supporting progressive forums of social unrest if they in fact awaken the conscience, whatever conscience is left, of the nation. And that’s where I find myself now

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[quote=CA renter]I dunno…maybe keep some of the promises he made during his campaign?

Obama has done more to destroy the middle class than Bush did. The financial crisis gave us an unprecedented opportunity to right many of the wrongs that have been perpetrated by those in power — the financial elite. They could have been investigated, tossed in jail, their assets confiscated, and made an example of so that nobody would try that sh!t again, at least not for many decades to come. Instead, Obama (and his puppet masters who control everything) made sure they got record-breaking bonuses **during a financial crisis!!!** and saw to it that nobody was punished, nobody lost their assets, and nobody went to jail.

In the meantime, he (and company) tried to convince us that inflation would somehow solve our problems…that giving even MORE money to the rich would magically make everything alright. He’s not called out the speculators who’ve caused massive inflation in basic commodities that people need to buy in order to live The speculators who’ve caused even more distress among those who were hurt most by the bubble and its aftermath are swimming in more money than they could ever have imagined.

Why didn’t we nationalize the banks and start investigating those who KNEW that their actions were going to cause a collapse of the financial system? Why isn’t Alan Greenspan being investigated? Why aren’t the regulators being investigated? Why aren’t the CEOs of the financial firms being investigated? All we’ve seen are minor slaps on the wrist. It’s an obvious cover-up, and everybody knows it, and Obama knows it, too.[/quote]

I agree, once again, w/everything you said. You forgot that he said he was going to end the war and that’s still going on. But everything else you said shows to whom he is beholden.

Arraya – great passage!

[Zeitgeist]

That is because he sold his soul to the devil. Most of them sell pieces of their soul along the way; he sold it all. Look at the changes in the man. He is worried about when the devil comes to collect. “Rahm Emanuel, a cynical product of the Chicago political machine, would be Satan.” Rahm is satan light.

P.S. Soul’s do not grow back.

[patb]

[quote=AN][quote=patb][quote=AN][quote=briansd1]Elizabeth Warren is a decent, honest person. Nobody, even in opposition to her, would say that she’s a repugnant person. [/quote]
I’m sure Palin & Bachmann’s suporter would say the exact same thing about them as you say about Warren. I’m just pointing out the obvious that people usually only support someone they thing is decent and honest. You can disagree with them, and I’m sure they’ll disagree with you as well.
.[/quote]

Actually Palin/Bachmann supporters use words like Strong or Hard or Tough. They never Describe Bush or Palin or Bachmann as Smart. They use words like She shares our Values.[/quote]
I just reread mine and Brian’s quotes that you included and neither of us said smart. We said decent and honest.[/quote]

Bachmann supporters don’t describe as decent, just tough.

[an]

I’m not a Bachmann’s supporter, yet I think she’s very decent. Anyone who open up their home and raised that many foster children is more decent than most people.

[CA renter]

[quote=Arraya]The moral philosopher Cornel West, if Barack Obama’s ascent to power was a morality play, would be the voice of conscience. Rahm Emanuel, a cynical product of the Chicago political machine, would be Satan. Emanuel in the first scene of the play would dangle power, privilege, fame and money before Obama. West would warn Obama that the quality of a life is defined by its moral commitment, that his legacy will be determined by his willingness to defy the cruel assault by the corporate state and the financial elite against the poor and working men and women, and that justice must never be sacrificed on the altar of power.

Perhaps there was never much of a struggle in Obama’s heart. Perhaps West only provided a moral veneer. Perhaps the dark heart of Emanuel was always the dark heart of Obama. Only Obama knows. But we know how the play ends. West is banished like honest Kent in “King Lear.” Emanuel and immoral mediocrities from Lawrence Summers to Timothy Geithner to Robert Gates—think of Goneril and Regan in the Shakespearean tragedy—take power. We lose. And Obama becomes an obedient servant of the corporate elite in exchange for the hollow trappings of authority.

No one grasps this tragic descent better than West, who did 65 campaign events for Obama, believed in the potential for change and was encouraged by the populist rhetoric of the Obama campaign. He now nurses, like many others who placed their faith in Obama, the anguish of the deceived, manipulated and betrayed. He bitterly describes Obama as “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats. And now he has become head of the American killing machine and is proud of it.”

And even at this moment, when the empire is in deep decline, the culture is in deep decay, the political system is broken, where nearly everyone is up for sale, you say all I have is the subversive memory of those who came before, personal integrity, trying to live a decent life, and a willingness to live and die for the love of folk who are catching hell. This means civil disobedience, going to jail, supporting progressive forums of social unrest if they in fact awaken the conscience, whatever conscience is left, of the nation. And that’s where I find myself now[/quote]

That was excellent, Arraya.

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