OT: Blood is on China’s hands

[AK]

I’m going to call it like I see it.

Two days ago North Korea attacked a civilian fishing village with a barrage of unguided 122mm artillery rockets. These are notoriously inaccurate weapons that have no purpose other than to destroy and terrorize everything in their path without discrimination. At maximum range, these rockets are accurate to within about 1 kilometer of the aiming point — obviously no precision guidance here.

Losses included an elementary school, a hotel, the town hall … two young ROK Marines … and two old men. Casualties would have been much higher if the majority of the adult population hadn’t been out on the water fishing. The effect has been to terrorize the civilian population of South Korea, to give a taste of the North’s perennial threats to turn Seoul into a “sea of fire,” in a way that the purely military targeting of the corvette Chonan couldn’t do.

Most of the analysis in English-language media focuses on Kim Jong Il’s failing health and the precarious political position of his chosen heir, Kim Jong Un. Indeed the two were reported by North Korean state media to be visiting a “fish farm” near the scene of the attack that day. Most observers shake their heads and wonder how this attack could possibly benefit anyone.

It has no clear benefit for North Korea. But North Korea’s patron China stands to gain a great deal. The attack has demonstrated that the United States can’t keep its regional allies safe, and left the South’s new pro-US government looking weak and impotent. In short, this is a proxy war against the US and its allies, conducted through a lunatic rogue government to give some sort of plausible deniability.

Despite the nauseating rhetoric about self-reliance and independence that punctuates the North’s nauseating propaganda, it is clear that Kim Jong Il has become a vassal king swearing fealty to Beijing. Nothing illustrates this relationship more than Kim Jong Il’s recent trip to China to gain official approval of heir Kim Jong Un — this mirrors the old practice of gaining the Chinese emperor’s approval for the chosen heir of the Korean throne. The North’s choice of the name “Chosun” (the old Korean vassal state of the 13th-19th centuries) only highlights this subservient relationship.

Beijing can cry all the crocodile’s tears it wants to … not that any tears have been shed … the official reaction has been nothing but a bland pretense of neutrality. Some of us see through the bull. The blood of the victims is on the hands of the Chinese government. As long as they support, enable, and direct the mad midget of Pyongyang and his twisted progeny, they will bear the guilt of Kim Jong Il’s victims, both inside and outside the borders of the so-called Chosun People’s Democratic Republic.

[GH]

I would agree NK is and really always has been a Chinese problem. They must serve some purpose in the Chinese scheme of things perhaps just a buffer against the West or I am pretty sure China could have removed the current set of tyrants long ago.

Of course as a test of US response, China may be quietly testing the Taiwan waters to see if the coast looks clear.

Regardless I doubt the US has the will or the resources to foot a third war right now.

[GH]

I would agree NK is and really always has been a Chinese problem. They must serve some purpose in the Chinese scheme of things perhaps just a buffer against the West or I am pretty sure China could have removed the current set of tyrants long ago.

Of course as a test of US response, China may be quietly testing the Taiwan waters to see if the coast looks clear.

Regardless I doubt the US has the will or the resources to foot a third war right now.

[GH]

I would agree NK is and really always has been a Chinese problem. They must serve some purpose in the Chinese scheme of things perhaps just a buffer against the West or I am pretty sure China could have removed the current set of tyrants long ago.

Of course as a test of US response, China may be quietly testing the Taiwan waters to see if the coast looks clear.

Regardless I doubt the US has the will or the resources to foot a third war right now.

[GH]

I would agree NK is and really always has been a Chinese problem. They must serve some purpose in the Chinese scheme of things perhaps just a buffer against the West or I am pretty sure China could have removed the current set of tyrants long ago.

Of course as a test of US response, China may be quietly testing the Taiwan waters to see if the coast looks clear.

Regardless I doubt the US has the will or the resources to foot a third war right now.

[GH]

I would agree NK is and really always has been a Chinese problem. They must serve some purpose in the Chinese scheme of things perhaps just a buffer against the West or I am pretty sure China could have removed the current set of tyrants long ago.

Of course as a test of US response, China may be quietly testing the Taiwan waters to see if the coast looks clear.

Regardless I doubt the US has the will or the resources to foot a third war right now.

[KIBU]

On the first few days after the event, it was interesting how many “expert” were caught off guard trying to understand the sudden war prone situation in Korea. I say this because many of their analysis were shallow, showing they did not look at Asia as a whole but based only the North South Korea conflict. They created linkages; Korea is going thru power transition, Korea is acting out….hence, the power transition has to have something to do with this…..etc.

If they have seen the overall picture of how America in the recent years has slowly reasserted its interest in Asia after years of neglect, how China has flexed its giant muscle on its neighbors and declared its ownership in disputed regions of the pacific ocean, how China has been angry with US presence in the area….etc, they would have understood how China continue to play their North Korea card as bargaining chips with the US.

What does North Korea get from this? China’s loyal and continued support economically, politically for the dictatorship regime to survive. As long as North Korea will continue to be the China’s card (threat for potential instability) so China could keep the bargaining chips valuable in its diplomatic games with the US and serves as a buffer zone. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship between the 2.

The event that happened, some said is not directed at South Korea, but at the US. A delegation from China is in South Korea now talking with everyone trying to “calm” different parties down to avoid war…When no one can really do much, China has been and will continue to be the only party that could do anything to influence North Korea….That is a good position to bargain things.

[KIBU]

On the first few days after the event, it was interesting how many “expert” were caught off guard trying to understand the sudden war prone situation in Korea. I say this because many of their analysis were shallow, showing they did not look at Asia as a whole but based only the North South Korea conflict. They created linkages; Korea is going thru power transition, Korea is acting out….hence, the power transition has to have something to do with this…..etc.

If they have seen the overall picture of how America in the recent years has slowly reasserted its interest in Asia after years of neglect, how China has flexed its giant muscle on its neighbors and declared its ownership in disputed regions of the pacific ocean, how China has been angry with US presence in the area….etc, they would have understood how China continue to play their North Korea card as bargaining chips with the US.

What does North Korea get from this? China’s loyal and continued support economically, politically for the dictatorship regime to survive. As long as North Korea will continue to be the China’s card (threat for potential instability) so China could keep the bargaining chips valuable in its diplomatic games with the US and serves as a buffer zone. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship between the 2.

The event that happened, some said is not directed at South Korea, but at the US. A delegation from China is in South Korea now talking with everyone trying to “calm” different parties down to avoid war…When no one can really do much, China has been and will continue to be the only party that could do anything to influence North Korea….That is a good position to bargain things.

[KIBU]

On the first few days after the event, it was interesting how many “expert” were caught off guard trying to understand the sudden war prone situation in Korea. I say this because many of their analysis were shallow, showing they did not look at Asia as a whole but based only the North South Korea conflict. They created linkages; Korea is going thru power transition, Korea is acting out….hence, the power transition has to have something to do with this…..etc.

If they have seen the overall picture of how America in the recent years has slowly reasserted its interest in Asia after years of neglect, how China has flexed its giant muscle on its neighbors and declared its ownership in disputed regions of the pacific ocean, how China has been angry with US presence in the area….etc, they would have understood how China continue to play their North Korea card as bargaining chips with the US.

What does North Korea get from this? China’s loyal and continued support economically, politically for the dictatorship regime to survive. As long as North Korea will continue to be the China’s card (threat for potential instability) so China could keep the bargaining chips valuable in its diplomatic games with the US and serves as a buffer zone. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship between the 2.

The event that happened, some said is not directed at South Korea, but at the US. A delegation from China is in South Korea now talking with everyone trying to “calm” different parties down to avoid war…When no one can really do much, China has been and will continue to be the only party that could do anything to influence North Korea….That is a good position to bargain things.

[KIBU]

On the first few days after the event, it was interesting how many “expert” were caught off guard trying to understand the sudden war prone situation in Korea. I say this because many of their analysis were shallow, showing they did not look at Asia as a whole but based only the North South Korea conflict. They created linkages; Korea is going thru power transition, Korea is acting out….hence, the power transition has to have something to do with this…..etc.

If they have seen the overall picture of how America in the recent years has slowly reasserted its interest in Asia after years of neglect, how China has flexed its giant muscle on its neighbors and declared its ownership in disputed regions of the pacific ocean, how China has been angry with US presence in the area….etc, they would have understood how China continue to play their North Korea card as bargaining chips with the US.

What does North Korea get from this? China’s loyal and continued support economically, politically for the dictatorship regime to survive. As long as North Korea will continue to be the China’s card (threat for potential instability) so China could keep the bargaining chips valuable in its diplomatic games with the US and serves as a buffer zone. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship between the 2.

The event that happened, some said is not directed at South Korea, but at the US. A delegation from China is in South Korea now talking with everyone trying to “calm” different parties down to avoid war…When no one can really do much, China has been and will continue to be the only party that could do anything to influence North Korea….That is a good position to bargain things.

[KIBU]

On the first few days after the event, it was interesting how many “expert” were caught off guard trying to understand the sudden war prone situation in Korea. I say this because many of their analysis were shallow, showing they did not look at Asia as a whole but based only the North South Korea conflict. They created linkages; Korea is going thru power transition, Korea is acting out….hence, the power transition has to have something to do with this…..etc.

If they have seen the overall picture of how America in the recent years has slowly reasserted its interest in Asia after years of neglect, how China has flexed its giant muscle on its neighbors and declared its ownership in disputed regions of the pacific ocean, how China has been angry with US presence in the area….etc, they would have understood how China continue to play their North Korea card as bargaining chips with the US.

What does North Korea get from this? China’s loyal and continued support economically, politically for the dictatorship regime to survive. As long as North Korea will continue to be the China’s card (threat for potential instability) so China could keep the bargaining chips valuable in its diplomatic games with the US and serves as a buffer zone. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship between the 2.

The event that happened, some said is not directed at South Korea, but at the US. A delegation from China is in South Korea now talking with everyone trying to “calm” different parties down to avoid war…When no one can really do much, China has been and will continue to be the only party that could do anything to influence North Korea….That is a good position to bargain things.

[ucodegen]

[quote AK]Two days ago North Korea attacked a civilian fishing village with a barrage of unguided 122mm artillery rockets. These are notoriously inaccurate weapons that have no purpose other than to destroy and terrorize everything in their path without discrimination. At maximum range, these rockets are accurate to within about 1 kilometer of the aiming point — obviously no precision guidance here.[/quote]
Actually, unguided 122mm artillery rocket rounds are fairly accurate. They are not pin-point accurate though. The hit within a square about 1000ft on a side at full range. Their damage area is about 80sq meters. They are designed to be ‘barrage fired’ against coalesced military force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad

Accuracy aside, these are military weapons that were employed against a town of unarmed civilians.

[ucodegen]

[quote AK]Two days ago North Korea attacked a civilian fishing village with a barrage of unguided 122mm artillery rockets. These are notoriously inaccurate weapons that have no purpose other than to destroy and terrorize everything in their path without discrimination. At maximum range, these rockets are accurate to within about 1 kilometer of the aiming point — obviously no precision guidance here.[/quote]
Actually, unguided 122mm artillery rocket rounds are fairly accurate. They are not pin-point accurate though. The hit within a square about 1000ft on a side at full range. Their damage area is about 80sq meters. They are designed to be ‘barrage fired’ against coalesced military force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad

Accuracy aside, these are military weapons that were employed against a town of unarmed civilians.

[ucodegen]

[quote AK]Two days ago North Korea attacked a civilian fishing village with a barrage of unguided 122mm artillery rockets. These are notoriously inaccurate weapons that have no purpose other than to destroy and terrorize everything in their path without discrimination. At maximum range, these rockets are accurate to within about 1 kilometer of the aiming point — obviously no precision guidance here.[/quote]
Actually, unguided 122mm artillery rocket rounds are fairly accurate. They are not pin-point accurate though. The hit within a square about 1000ft on a side at full range. Their damage area is about 80sq meters. They are designed to be ‘barrage fired’ against coalesced military force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad

Accuracy aside, these are military weapons that were employed against a town of unarmed civilians.

[ucodegen]

[quote AK]Two days ago North Korea attacked a civilian fishing village with a barrage of unguided 122mm artillery rockets. These are notoriously inaccurate weapons that have no purpose other than to destroy and terrorize everything in their path without discrimination. At maximum range, these rockets are accurate to within about 1 kilometer of the aiming point — obviously no precision guidance here.[/quote]
Actually, unguided 122mm artillery rocket rounds are fairly accurate. They are not pin-point accurate though. The hit within a square about 1000ft on a side at full range. Their damage area is about 80sq meters. They are designed to be ‘barrage fired’ against coalesced military force.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad

Accuracy aside, these are military weapons that were employed against a town of unarmed civilians.

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