OT — Article: “10 Reasons to Skip Expensive Colleges”

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]$5,000/year…yes, it’s worth it. As a matter of fact, CC students get priority over continuing students when they transfer for their junior year. IMHO, CC is a winner, all around.[/quote]
$4k/year, not $5k/year. $4k is not worth it if you lose a year from your professional career.[/quote]

Going from your quote:

If you want to compete CSU vs CC WRT cost, CSU tuition is $6,562. Tuition for SD CC is ~$1500/year. That’s a cost difference of $4k/year.

The difference between $6,562 and $1,500 is $5, 062, not $4,000. [CC graduate! 🙂 ]

Still, not sure if you’d actually lose a year from your professional career…some might, but others won’t. Even if you did, you can always work that “extra year” at the end of your career, if you’re worried about not having that one extra year’s worth of income (not sure if that’s what you’re arguing).

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]As you know, we both agree about the fact that college degrees are oversold — we’d be much better off if we provided a top-notch vocational education system for those who don’t go to college.

You’re right about it being more difficult to get into medical school via the CC route, but not at all impossible.

Here’s a success story (one of many) of someone who did just that:

http://www.umassmed.edu/commencement/2010/archive/article/publiceducation.aspx%5B/quote%5D
I agree with you that it’s not impossible. But how many people who go to CC graduate summa cum laude for their BS? BTW, this has nothing to do with my original point that saving from going to CC before CSU/UC is not as big as some believe and might be negative in certain scenario.[/quote]

While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]As you know, we both agree about the fact that college degrees are oversold — we’d be much better off if we provided a top-notch vocational education system for those who don’t go to college.

You’re right about it being more difficult to get into medical school via the CC route, but not at all impossible.

Here’s a success story (one of many) of someone who did just that:

http://www.umassmed.edu/commencement/2010/archive/article/publiceducation.aspx%5B/quote%5D
I agree with you that it’s not impossible. But how many people who go to CC graduate summa cum laude for their BS? BTW, this has nothing to do with my original point that saving from going to CC before CSU/UC is not as big as some believe and might be negative in certain scenario.[/quote]

While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]As you know, we both agree about the fact that college degrees are oversold — we’d be much better off if we provided a top-notch vocational education system for those who don’t go to college.

You’re right about it being more difficult to get into medical school via the CC route, but not at all impossible.

Here’s a success story (one of many) of someone who did just that:

http://www.umassmed.edu/commencement/2010/archive/article/publiceducation.aspx%5B/quote%5D
I agree with you that it’s not impossible. But how many people who go to CC graduate summa cum laude for their BS? BTW, this has nothing to do with my original point that saving from going to CC before CSU/UC is not as big as some believe and might be negative in certain scenario.[/quote]

While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]As you know, we both agree about the fact that college degrees are oversold — we’d be much better off if we provided a top-notch vocational education system for those who don’t go to college.

You’re right about it being more difficult to get into medical school via the CC route, but not at all impossible.

Here’s a success story (one of many) of someone who did just that:

http://www.umassmed.edu/commencement/2010/archive/article/publiceducation.aspx%5B/quote%5D
I agree with you that it’s not impossible. But how many people who go to CC graduate summa cum laude for their BS? BTW, this has nothing to do with my original point that saving from going to CC before CSU/UC is not as big as some believe and might be negative in certain scenario.[/quote]

While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.

[CA renter]

[quote=AN][quote=CA renter]As you know, we both agree about the fact that college degrees are oversold — we’d be much better off if we provided a top-notch vocational education system for those who don’t go to college.

You’re right about it being more difficult to get into medical school via the CC route, but not at all impossible.

Here’s a success story (one of many) of someone who did just that:

http://www.umassmed.edu/commencement/2010/archive/article/publiceducation.aspx%5B/quote%5D
I agree with you that it’s not impossible. But how many people who go to CC graduate summa cum laude for their BS? BTW, this has nothing to do with my original point that saving from going to CC before CSU/UC is not as big as some believe and might be negative in certain scenario.[/quote]

While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.

[an]

[quote=CA renter]While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.[/quote]
Do you truly believe it’s not difficult to get summa cum laude? If you do, then there’s not much to debate about since your view of what’s difficult is very skewed. To get summa cum laude, you need 3.9 GPA out of 4.0. Another method is percentile and it’s top 5% of graduate. Yes, it’s VERY difficult to get summa cum laude and your mom is VERY smart.

[an]

[quote=CA renter]While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.[/quote]
Do you truly believe it’s not difficult to get summa cum laude? If you do, then there’s not much to debate about since your view of what’s difficult is very skewed. To get summa cum laude, you need 3.9 GPA out of 4.0. Another method is percentile and it’s top 5% of graduate. Yes, it’s VERY difficult to get summa cum laude and your mom is VERY smart.

[an]

[quote=CA renter]While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.[/quote]
Do you truly believe it’s not difficult to get summa cum laude? If you do, then there’s not much to debate about since your view of what’s difficult is very skewed. To get summa cum laude, you need 3.9 GPA out of 4.0. Another method is percentile and it’s top 5% of graduate. Yes, it’s VERY difficult to get summa cum laude and your mom is VERY smart.

[an]

[quote=CA renter]While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.[/quote]
Do you truly believe it’s not difficult to get summa cum laude? If you do, then there’s not much to debate about since your view of what’s difficult is very skewed. To get summa cum laude, you need 3.9 GPA out of 4.0. Another method is percentile and it’s top 5% of graduate. Yes, it’s VERY difficult to get summa cum laude and your mom is VERY smart.

[an]

[quote=CA renter]While I don’t have numbers, it can’t be that difficult. My mom did it from UCLA, and she started out at a CC…without a HS diploma from the U.S.[/quote]
Do you truly believe it’s not difficult to get summa cum laude? If you do, then there’s not much to debate about since your view of what’s difficult is very skewed. To get summa cum laude, you need 3.9 GPA out of 4.0. Another method is percentile and it’s top 5% of graduate. Yes, it’s VERY difficult to get summa cum laude and your mom is VERY smart.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter]$5,000/year…yes, it’s worth it. As a matter of fact, CC students get priority over continuing students when they transfer for their junior year. IMHO, CC is a winner, all around.[/quote]
$4k/year, not $5k/year. $4k is not worth it if you lose a year from your professional career.[/quote]

Going from your quote:

If you want to compete CSU vs CC WRT cost, CSU tuition is $6,562. Tuition for SD CC is ~$1500/year. That’s a cost difference of $4k/year.

The difference between $6,562 and $1,500 is $5, 062, not $4,000. [CC graduate! 🙂 ]

Still, not sure if you’d actually lose a year from your professional career…some might, but others won’t. Even if you did, you can always work that “extra year” at the end of your career, if you’re worried about not having that one extra year’s worth of income (not sure if that’s what you’re arguing).[/quote]
Assuming tuition won’t change for either CC and CSU for the next 5 years and assuming it takes 5 years to for a typical student to graduate CC and CSU vs 4 year for a typical student who enter CSU. At ~$6500/year for SDSU, 4 year college will cost $26k. For someone who did 2 years of CC and 3 years of SDSU, the cost would be ~$3k for CC and $19.5k for SDSU. That’s a total of $22.5k. That’s where I get $4k from. But we’re splitting hair at the point. Even if we’re talking about $5k instead of $4k.

Is that $5k worth having to work an extra year? That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Time = $ and I’m pretty sure it takes more time to graduate from a CC and a CSU/UC. That’s my main point, typically, it take at least an extra year to graduate from CC->CSU/UC vs going straight to CSU/UC. The reason I pick $40k number (just an arbitrary starting salary for a typical BS degree). It could be more it could be less. If you’re talking about adding one “extra year”, then the person who went straight to CSU/UC can work an extra year too.

Another way to look at it is, you have 47 years of your life for secondary school and work. Lets say you spend 5 years in college and 42 years of work and you save $5k-12k in school. But if you go straight to CSU/UC and graduate in 4 years. You’d spend 4 years in college and 43 years in working. You spend $5-12k more in school, but you’ll be making 1 extra year of salary.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter]$5,000/year…yes, it’s worth it. As a matter of fact, CC students get priority over continuing students when they transfer for their junior year. IMHO, CC is a winner, all around.[/quote]
$4k/year, not $5k/year. $4k is not worth it if you lose a year from your professional career.[/quote]

Going from your quote:

If you want to compete CSU vs CC WRT cost, CSU tuition is $6,562. Tuition for SD CC is ~$1500/year. That’s a cost difference of $4k/year.

The difference between $6,562 and $1,500 is $5, 062, not $4,000. [CC graduate! 🙂 ]

Still, not sure if you’d actually lose a year from your professional career…some might, but others won’t. Even if you did, you can always work that “extra year” at the end of your career, if you’re worried about not having that one extra year’s worth of income (not sure if that’s what you’re arguing).[/quote]
Assuming tuition won’t change for either CC and CSU for the next 5 years and assuming it takes 5 years to for a typical student to graduate CC and CSU vs 4 year for a typical student who enter CSU. At ~$6500/year for SDSU, 4 year college will cost $26k. For someone who did 2 years of CC and 3 years of SDSU, the cost would be ~$3k for CC and $19.5k for SDSU. That’s a total of $22.5k. That’s where I get $4k from. But we’re splitting hair at the point. Even if we’re talking about $5k instead of $4k.

Is that $5k worth having to work an extra year? That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Time = $ and I’m pretty sure it takes more time to graduate from a CC and a CSU/UC. That’s my main point, typically, it take at least an extra year to graduate from CC->CSU/UC vs going straight to CSU/UC. The reason I pick $40k number (just an arbitrary starting salary for a typical BS degree). It could be more it could be less. If you’re talking about adding one “extra year”, then the person who went straight to CSU/UC can work an extra year too.

Another way to look at it is, you have 47 years of your life for secondary school and work. Lets say you spend 5 years in college and 42 years of work and you save $5k-12k in school. But if you go straight to CSU/UC and graduate in 4 years. You’d spend 4 years in college and 43 years in working. You spend $5-12k more in school, but you’ll be making 1 extra year of salary.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter]$5,000/year…yes, it’s worth it. As a matter of fact, CC students get priority over continuing students when they transfer for their junior year. IMHO, CC is a winner, all around.[/quote]
$4k/year, not $5k/year. $4k is not worth it if you lose a year from your professional career.[/quote]

Going from your quote:

If you want to compete CSU vs CC WRT cost, CSU tuition is $6,562. Tuition for SD CC is ~$1500/year. That’s a cost difference of $4k/year.

The difference between $6,562 and $1,500 is $5, 062, not $4,000. [CC graduate! 🙂 ]

Still, not sure if you’d actually lose a year from your professional career…some might, but others won’t. Even if you did, you can always work that “extra year” at the end of your career, if you’re worried about not having that one extra year’s worth of income (not sure if that’s what you’re arguing).[/quote]
Assuming tuition won’t change for either CC and CSU for the next 5 years and assuming it takes 5 years to for a typical student to graduate CC and CSU vs 4 year for a typical student who enter CSU. At ~$6500/year for SDSU, 4 year college will cost $26k. For someone who did 2 years of CC and 3 years of SDSU, the cost would be ~$3k for CC and $19.5k for SDSU. That’s a total of $22.5k. That’s where I get $4k from. But we’re splitting hair at the point. Even if we’re talking about $5k instead of $4k.

Is that $5k worth having to work an extra year? That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Time = $ and I’m pretty sure it takes more time to graduate from a CC and a CSU/UC. That’s my main point, typically, it take at least an extra year to graduate from CC->CSU/UC vs going straight to CSU/UC. The reason I pick $40k number (just an arbitrary starting salary for a typical BS degree). It could be more it could be less. If you’re talking about adding one “extra year”, then the person who went straight to CSU/UC can work an extra year too.

Another way to look at it is, you have 47 years of your life for secondary school and work. Lets say you spend 5 years in college and 42 years of work and you save $5k-12k in school. But if you go straight to CSU/UC and graduate in 4 years. You’d spend 4 years in college and 43 years in working. You spend $5-12k more in school, but you’ll be making 1 extra year of salary.

[an]

[quote=CA renter][quote=AN][quote=CA renter]$5,000/year…yes, it’s worth it. As a matter of fact, CC students get priority over continuing students when they transfer for their junior year. IMHO, CC is a winner, all around.[/quote]
$4k/year, not $5k/year. $4k is not worth it if you lose a year from your professional career.[/quote]

Going from your quote:

If you want to compete CSU vs CC WRT cost, CSU tuition is $6,562. Tuition for SD CC is ~$1500/year. That’s a cost difference of $4k/year.

The difference between $6,562 and $1,500 is $5, 062, not $4,000. [CC graduate! 🙂 ]

Still, not sure if you’d actually lose a year from your professional career…some might, but others won’t. Even if you did, you can always work that “extra year” at the end of your career, if you’re worried about not having that one extra year’s worth of income (not sure if that’s what you’re arguing).[/quote]
Assuming tuition won’t change for either CC and CSU for the next 5 years and assuming it takes 5 years to for a typical student to graduate CC and CSU vs 4 year for a typical student who enter CSU. At ~$6500/year for SDSU, 4 year college will cost $26k. For someone who did 2 years of CC and 3 years of SDSU, the cost would be ~$3k for CC and $19.5k for SDSU. That’s a total of $22.5k. That’s where I get $4k from. But we’re splitting hair at the point. Even if we’re talking about $5k instead of $4k.

Is that $5k worth having to work an extra year? That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Time = $ and I’m pretty sure it takes more time to graduate from a CC and a CSU/UC. That’s my main point, typically, it take at least an extra year to graduate from CC->CSU/UC vs going straight to CSU/UC. The reason I pick $40k number (just an arbitrary starting salary for a typical BS degree). It could be more it could be less. If you’re talking about adding one “extra year”, then the person who went straight to CSU/UC can work an extra year too.

Another way to look at it is, you have 47 years of your life for secondary school and work. Lets say you spend 5 years in college and 42 years of work and you save $5k-12k in school. But if you go straight to CSU/UC and graduate in 4 years. You’d spend 4 years in college and 43 years in working. You spend $5-12k more in school, but you’ll be making 1 extra year of salary.

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