OT: Obama is Conservative

[surveyor]

facts

[quote=gandalf]surveyor, I don’t know about the “bomb that hit Pearl Harbor”. I find it really hard to believe a graduate of Columbia (I am one), and Harvard Law (cum laude) as well as US Constitional Law professor doesn’t know the history of Pearl Harbor. Sounds to me like you’re making shit up.[/quote]

Gandalf, I apologize in advance if the facts are inconvenient to your dogma.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/16/ino.01.html

Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.

(emphasis by me)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/31/AR2008053101927.html

Iraq passed a turning point last fall when the U.S. counterinsurgency campaign launched in early 2007 produced a dramatic drop in violence and quelled the incipient sectarian war between Sunnis and Shiites. Now, another tipping point may be near, one that sees the Iraqi government and army restoring order in almost all of the country, dispersing both rival militias and the Iranian-trained “special groups” that have used them as cover to wage war against Americans. It is — of course — too early to celebrate; though now in disarray, the Mahdi Army of Moqtada al-Sadr could still regroup, and Iran will almost certainly seek to stir up new violence before the U.S. and Iraqi elections this fall. Still, the rapidly improving conditions should allow U.S. commanders to make some welcome adjustments — and it ought to mandate an already-overdue rethinking by the “this-war-is-lost” caucus in Washington, including Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).

And here’s a surprise:

[quote=gandalf]Larger point: hanging the direction of our overall Middle East foreign policy on the outcome of something as tactical and targeted as “The Surge” misses the forest for the trees.[/quote]

While the surge is not the end all be all of the foreign policy objectives, I do agree that the war on terrorism is currently being short-sighted. The war actually goes beyond the Taliban, Bin Laden, Zarqawi (you do know he’s dead, right?), Afghanistan, Pakistan, Africa. The core of the war should concentrate on the ideology of islamofacism and attack based on those principles. Unfortunately neither candidate, McCain or Obama, has an inkling that this should be the preferred approach. Obama is just more obvious in his cluelessness.

[surveyor]

reading comprehension and history

gandalf: The whole notion that he’s dumb or ignorant or naive? I just don’t buy it. Who on this board has this kind of career or credentials? surveyor??

I think I’ve been able to document pretty well exactly how lacking his knowledge when it comes to history and foreign policy analysis. Do I have to be a Harvard educated lawyer to know that? I don’t think so.

Besides, gandalf, there was no such deference to education when you were making derogatory statements towards George W. Bush and his Yale education.

And your kind of thinking is supported by Obama as well. His whole campaign is exemplified by the Mad magazine cover that says “Trust me.” They have difficulties answering the hard questions because it all comes down to “Hey, Obama has SUPERIOR judgement. He KNOWS better.” I mean, really, I can’t question Obama because he has a better degree than me? Come on! You are a piggington and a piggington ideal is to question the analyses of experts who have better degrees than us.

Sorry to say it, but the emperor has no clothes.

[surveyor]

reading comprehension and history

gandalf: The whole notion that he’s dumb or ignorant or naive? I just don’t buy it. Who on this board has this kind of career or credentials? surveyor??

I think I’ve been able to document pretty well exactly how lacking his knowledge when it comes to history and foreign policy analysis. Do I have to be a Harvard educated lawyer to know that? I don’t think so.

Besides, gandalf, there was no such deference to education when you were making derogatory statements towards George W. Bush and his Yale education.

And your kind of thinking is supported by Obama as well. His whole campaign is exemplified by the Mad magazine cover that says “Trust me.” They have difficulties answering the hard questions because it all comes down to “Hey, Obama has SUPERIOR judgement. He KNOWS better.” I mean, really, I can’t question Obama because he has a better degree than me? Come on! You are a piggington and a piggington ideal is to question the analyses of experts who have better degrees than us.

Sorry to say it, but the emperor has no clothes.

[surveyor]

reading comprehension and history

gandalf: The whole notion that he’s dumb or ignorant or naive? I just don’t buy it. Who on this board has this kind of career or credentials? surveyor??

I think I’ve been able to document pretty well exactly how lacking his knowledge when it comes to history and foreign policy analysis. Do I have to be a Harvard educated lawyer to know that? I don’t think so.

Besides, gandalf, there was no such deference to education when you were making derogatory statements towards George W. Bush and his Yale education.

And your kind of thinking is supported by Obama as well. His whole campaign is exemplified by the Mad magazine cover that says “Trust me.” They have difficulties answering the hard questions because it all comes down to “Hey, Obama has SUPERIOR judgement. He KNOWS better.” I mean, really, I can’t question Obama because he has a better degree than me? Come on! You are a piggington and a piggington ideal is to question the analyses of experts who have better degrees than us.

Sorry to say it, but the emperor has no clothes.

[surveyor]

reading comprehension and history

gandalf: The whole notion that he’s dumb or ignorant or naive? I just don’t buy it. Who on this board has this kind of career or credentials? surveyor??

I think I’ve been able to document pretty well exactly how lacking his knowledge when it comes to history and foreign policy analysis. Do I have to be a Harvard educated lawyer to know that? I don’t think so.

Besides, gandalf, there was no such deference to education when you were making derogatory statements towards George W. Bush and his Yale education.

And your kind of thinking is supported by Obama as well. His whole campaign is exemplified by the Mad magazine cover that says “Trust me.” They have difficulties answering the hard questions because it all comes down to “Hey, Obama has SUPERIOR judgement. He KNOWS better.” I mean, really, I can’t question Obama because he has a better degree than me? Come on! You are a piggington and a piggington ideal is to question the analyses of experts who have better degrees than us.

Sorry to say it, but the emperor has no clothes.

[surveyor]

reading comprehension and history

gandalf: The whole notion that he’s dumb or ignorant or naive? I just don’t buy it. Who on this board has this kind of career or credentials? surveyor??

I think I’ve been able to document pretty well exactly how lacking his knowledge when it comes to history and foreign policy analysis. Do I have to be a Harvard educated lawyer to know that? I don’t think so.

Besides, gandalf, there was no such deference to education when you were making derogatory statements towards George W. Bush and his Yale education.

And your kind of thinking is supported by Obama as well. His whole campaign is exemplified by the Mad magazine cover that says “Trust me.” They have difficulties answering the hard questions because it all comes down to “Hey, Obama has SUPERIOR judgement. He KNOWS better.” I mean, really, I can’t question Obama because he has a better degree than me? Come on! You are a piggington and a piggington ideal is to question the analyses of experts who have better degrees than us.

Sorry to say it, but the emperor has no clothes.

[afx114]

Obama is running on a platform of “unity” so why does it surprise anyone that he has positions on both sides of the aisle? Isn’t that the point?

It’s time to retire all of these overused Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Red/Blue, Left/Right boxes that people try to shove complex issues into. The world is not in black and white, and it doesn’t fit nicely into your little box.

[afx114]

Obama is running on a platform of “unity” so why does it surprise anyone that he has positions on both sides of the aisle? Isn’t that the point?

It’s time to retire all of these overused Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Red/Blue, Left/Right boxes that people try to shove complex issues into. The world is not in black and white, and it doesn’t fit nicely into your little box.

[afx114]

Obama is running on a platform of “unity” so why does it surprise anyone that he has positions on both sides of the aisle? Isn’t that the point?

It’s time to retire all of these overused Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Red/Blue, Left/Right boxes that people try to shove complex issues into. The world is not in black and white, and it doesn’t fit nicely into your little box.

[afx114]

Obama is running on a platform of “unity” so why does it surprise anyone that he has positions on both sides of the aisle? Isn’t that the point?

It’s time to retire all of these overused Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Red/Blue, Left/Right boxes that people try to shove complex issues into. The world is not in black and white, and it doesn’t fit nicely into your little box.

[afx114]

Obama is running on a platform of “unity” so why does it surprise anyone that he has positions on both sides of the aisle? Isn’t that the point?

It’s time to retire all of these overused Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative, Red/Blue, Left/Right boxes that people try to shove complex issues into. The world is not in black and white, and it doesn’t fit nicely into your little box.

[gandalf]

OMFG! Great video jfiq. I understand this completely.

Question: Do you think it’s possible he’s reading a speech or talking points that were written by somebody else? A campaign aide, for example? That is how things work in the real world. Did you notice how he … paused … as he read the part about ‘the bomb’?

He knew damn well it wasn’t accurate. He’s also standing up there in front of a crowd of people and in front of television cameras trying to carry a speech. Which I’m sure you do ALL THE TIME, so you know how difficult it is, and how people never make mistakes.

The larger arc of his experience, his education, the time spent living in Hawaii, it suggests that your overall assertion: that he doesn’t know what happened at Pearl Harbor — you’re FULL OF SHIT. Partisan crap-mongers.

And I completely understand how fringe-lunatics seize on stuff like this as ‘evidence’ that Obama is somehow ignorant about American History because he was edumacated in a madrassa and is a secret muslim.

For the rest of us: ‘Zbig’ was a prof at Columbia when I was there. I had several friends who took his class and would come back to the dorm and talk politics for hours. ‘Z’ might have been there when Obama was getting his BA. Wonder if he took classes with Zbigniew…

[gandalf]

OMFG! Great video jfiq. I understand this completely.

Question: Do you think it’s possible he’s reading a speech or talking points that were written by somebody else? A campaign aide, for example? That is how things work in the real world. Did you notice how he … paused … as he read the part about ‘the bomb’?

He knew damn well it wasn’t accurate. He’s also standing up there in front of a crowd of people and in front of television cameras trying to carry a speech. Which I’m sure you do ALL THE TIME, so you know how difficult it is, and how people never make mistakes.

The larger arc of his experience, his education, the time spent living in Hawaii, it suggests that your overall assertion: that he doesn’t know what happened at Pearl Harbor — you’re FULL OF SHIT. Partisan crap-mongers.

And I completely understand how fringe-lunatics seize on stuff like this as ‘evidence’ that Obama is somehow ignorant about American History because he was edumacated in a madrassa and is a secret muslim.

For the rest of us: ‘Zbig’ was a prof at Columbia when I was there. I had several friends who took his class and would come back to the dorm and talk politics for hours. ‘Z’ might have been there when Obama was getting his BA. Wonder if he took classes with Zbigniew…

[gandalf]

OMFG! Great video jfiq. I understand this completely.

Question: Do you think it’s possible he’s reading a speech or talking points that were written by somebody else? A campaign aide, for example? That is how things work in the real world. Did you notice how he … paused … as he read the part about ‘the bomb’?

He knew damn well it wasn’t accurate. He’s also standing up there in front of a crowd of people and in front of television cameras trying to carry a speech. Which I’m sure you do ALL THE TIME, so you know how difficult it is, and how people never make mistakes.

The larger arc of his experience, his education, the time spent living in Hawaii, it suggests that your overall assertion: that he doesn’t know what happened at Pearl Harbor — you’re FULL OF SHIT. Partisan crap-mongers.

And I completely understand how fringe-lunatics seize on stuff like this as ‘evidence’ that Obama is somehow ignorant about American History because he was edumacated in a madrassa and is a secret muslim.

For the rest of us: ‘Zbig’ was a prof at Columbia when I was there. I had several friends who took his class and would come back to the dorm and talk politics for hours. ‘Z’ might have been there when Obama was getting his BA. Wonder if he took classes with Zbigniew…

[gandalf]

OMFG! Great video jfiq. I understand this completely.

Question: Do you think it’s possible he’s reading a speech or talking points that were written by somebody else? A campaign aide, for example? That is how things work in the real world. Did you notice how he … paused … as he read the part about ‘the bomb’?

He knew damn well it wasn’t accurate. He’s also standing up there in front of a crowd of people and in front of television cameras trying to carry a speech. Which I’m sure you do ALL THE TIME, so you know how difficult it is, and how people never make mistakes.

The larger arc of his experience, his education, the time spent living in Hawaii, it suggests that your overall assertion: that he doesn’t know what happened at Pearl Harbor — you’re FULL OF SHIT. Partisan crap-mongers.

And I completely understand how fringe-lunatics seize on stuff like this as ‘evidence’ that Obama is somehow ignorant about American History because he was edumacated in a madrassa and is a secret muslim.

For the rest of us: ‘Zbig’ was a prof at Columbia when I was there. I had several friends who took his class and would come back to the dorm and talk politics for hours. ‘Z’ might have been there when Obama was getting his BA. Wonder if he took classes with Zbigniew…

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