OT: Obama is Conservative

[Shadowfax]

Ok, I’d MUCH rather vote for this guy:

John McCain, Mister Stray Talk Excess, once again showed today that his mastery of world affairs could easily be bested by a moderately-diligent sixth-grader (h/t Penman):

McCain said it was “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.”

Uh, John? Iran’s population is majority Shia Muslim. Al-Qaeda is made up of hardcore Sunni Muslims, with the leadership coming from Wahabi Sunni stronghold Saudi Arabia. (To learn more about the differences between Shia and Sunni, go here.) I mean, gee, even Joe Lieberman knows that, which is why he rushed to your aid:

A few moments later, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, standing just behind McCain, stepped forward and whispered in the presidential candidate’s ear. McCain then said: “I’m sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda.”

But Short Ride Joe can’t be around you 24/7 (I imagine both Cindy and Hadassah would be jealous), which is why you also made that gaffe yesterday and again today.

AND

But let’s unpack McCain’s week in a little more detail.

1. McCain unambiguously called Social Security “an absolute disgrace.” This is not a quote taken out of context. John McCain called one of the most successful and popular government programs, which uses the tax revenues of current workers to support retirement benefits for the elderly “an absolute disgrace.” This is shocking — and if uttered from Obama’s mouth would dominate the news coverage and the Sunday shows, as pundits would speculate about the massive damage the statement would cause him among retirees in Florida.

2. McCain’s top economic policy adviser calls Americans a bunch of “whiners” for being worried about the slumping economy. Words cannot fully explain how devastating this statement should be from Phil Gramm. You would think it would be enough to sink McCain’s campaign. Of course McCain only thinks that the economic problems are psychological.

3. Iraqi leaders call for a timetable for U.S. withdrawal, McCain gets caught in a bizarre denial and flip flop. The Iraqis now want us to begin planning our withdrawal — McCain however wants to stay foooorrreeevvveerrrr. So what does McCain say — First, he refuses to accept Maliki’s statement as being true. Then he concedes that it was an accurate statement, but was probably just a political ploy to curry favor with his own people and WOULD NOT influence his determination to keep US troops in Iraq indefinitely. Yet, McCain in 2004 at the Council on Foreign Relations said that if the Iraqis asked us to leave, we would have to go. No matter what. But that was apparently a younger and less experienced John McCain.

But let’s just look at his comment that Maliki’s statement is “just politics.” If that is true, then it must also be true that the American military presence in Iraq is so unpopular with Iraqis that the government is forced to push for a timetable in order to survive at the ballot box. That’s a reason to stay for 100 years.

4. McCain’s economic plan to cut the deficit has no details and is simply not believable. There are so many things here. McCain pledges he would eliminate the deficit by the end of his first term (the campaign latter flip flop flipped about whether it was four years or eight years), but does not provide any details about how he would do it. Economists on both sides of the political aisle said that this was simply not believable, especially given McCain’s other proposals to a) cut individual and corporate taxes even further, b) extend the Bush tax cuts and c) massively increase defense spending on manpower (200,000 more troops) and d) maintain a long-term sizable military presence in Iraq.

5. McCain’s deficit plan includes bringing the troops home represents a major Iraq flip-flop. Speaking of the long-term military presence — a story that has gotten absolutely no attention is that McCain now believes the war will be over soon. The economic forecasts made by his crack team of economists predict that there will be significant savings during McCain’s first term because we will have achieved “victory” in Iraq and Afghanistan. The savings from victory (ie the savings from not having our troops there) will then be used to pay down the deficit. The only way this could have any impact on the deficit in McCain’s first time is if troop withdrawals start very soon. So McCain believes victory is in our grasps and we can begin withdraw troops from Iraq pretty much right away — doesn’t sound that different from Obama’s plan does it. Someone should at least ask McCain HOW HE DEFINES VICTORY — and why he thinks we will achieve it in the next couple of years.

6. McCain campaign misled about economists support. In the major press release the McCain campaign issued to tout its Jobs for America economic plan that would balance the budget in 4 years, it included the signatures of more than 300 economists who the campaign claimed to support the plan. Only problem is that the economists were actually asked to sign up to SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Um, hello?

7. McCain makes a joke about killing Iranians. Haha… that’s just McCain being McCain. I am sure that is exactly how it is being reported in Tehran. This guy is running for President not to become a talk radio pundit. Yet according to the AP this was just a humanizing moment between candidate and spouse — I am not sure when joking about the deaths of civilians became humanizing.

8. McCain denies, flatly, that he ever said that he is not an expert in economics. Are you kidding?

9). McCain distorts his record on veterans benefits in response to a question from Vietnam Veteran, who then proceeds to call McCain out on it.

10.) McCain demonstrates he knows nothing about Afghanistan and Pakistan. McCain said “I think if there is some good news, I think that there is a glimmer of improving relationship between Karzai and the Pakistanis.” Pat Barry notes how crazy this comment is…”Just what “glimmer” is McCain talking about?? Maybe he’s referring to President Karzai’s remarks last month, which threatened military action in Pakistan if cross-border attacks persisted? Or maybe McCain is talking about Afghanistan’s allegations that Pakistan’s ISI was involved in a recent assassination attempt on Karzai? Maybe in McCain’s world you could call that a silver-lining, but in reality-land I’d call it something else.”

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]To me, it sounds very much like the situation with Iran and President I-Am-a-Dinner-Jacket. Continued European dissembling, combined with any sort of serious response or willingness to confront him has resulted in the present situation. Does engaging in further dialogue here help? Does having a strong grasp of history help? Does understanding the nature of the regime, the people and the motivations? And, I am not saying the McCain is possessed of a modicum more understanding than Obama is. Let me be very clear about that. I find his singing “bomb Iran” to the strains of the Beach Boys “Barbara Ann” chilling as hell.[/quote]

I find it to be a good quality to want to “start fresh” and come out from under the dark cloud of the current state of our foreign affairs with these countries. While I agree that dealing with these two leaders is probably hopeless, perhaps a new start (I hope a brief one) is more useful to get the US back on the moral highground in the world’s view so that we can start to re-assemble our credibility with our allies. And give those two nut jobs a chance to show their colors to the world–get them to bite the hand that is reaching out to you, then assemble a true multinational force to deal with each problem from a unified and morally superior view point? Just a thought…

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]To me, it sounds very much like the situation with Iran and President I-Am-a-Dinner-Jacket. Continued European dissembling, combined with any sort of serious response or willingness to confront him has resulted in the present situation. Does engaging in further dialogue here help? Does having a strong grasp of history help? Does understanding the nature of the regime, the people and the motivations? And, I am not saying the McCain is possessed of a modicum more understanding than Obama is. Let me be very clear about that. I find his singing “bomb Iran” to the strains of the Beach Boys “Barbara Ann” chilling as hell.[/quote]

I find it to be a good quality to want to “start fresh” and come out from under the dark cloud of the current state of our foreign affairs with these countries. While I agree that dealing with these two leaders is probably hopeless, perhaps a new start (I hope a brief one) is more useful to get the US back on the moral highground in the world’s view so that we can start to re-assemble our credibility with our allies. And give those two nut jobs a chance to show their colors to the world–get them to bite the hand that is reaching out to you, then assemble a true multinational force to deal with each problem from a unified and morally superior view point? Just a thought…

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]To me, it sounds very much like the situation with Iran and President I-Am-a-Dinner-Jacket. Continued European dissembling, combined with any sort of serious response or willingness to confront him has resulted in the present situation. Does engaging in further dialogue here help? Does having a strong grasp of history help? Does understanding the nature of the regime, the people and the motivations? And, I am not saying the McCain is possessed of a modicum more understanding than Obama is. Let me be very clear about that. I find his singing “bomb Iran” to the strains of the Beach Boys “Barbara Ann” chilling as hell.[/quote]

I find it to be a good quality to want to “start fresh” and come out from under the dark cloud of the current state of our foreign affairs with these countries. While I agree that dealing with these two leaders is probably hopeless, perhaps a new start (I hope a brief one) is more useful to get the US back on the moral highground in the world’s view so that we can start to re-assemble our credibility with our allies. And give those two nut jobs a chance to show their colors to the world–get them to bite the hand that is reaching out to you, then assemble a true multinational force to deal with each problem from a unified and morally superior view point? Just a thought…

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]To me, it sounds very much like the situation with Iran and President I-Am-a-Dinner-Jacket. Continued European dissembling, combined with any sort of serious response or willingness to confront him has resulted in the present situation. Does engaging in further dialogue here help? Does having a strong grasp of history help? Does understanding the nature of the regime, the people and the motivations? And, I am not saying the McCain is possessed of a modicum more understanding than Obama is. Let me be very clear about that. I find his singing “bomb Iran” to the strains of the Beach Boys “Barbara Ann” chilling as hell.[/quote]

I find it to be a good quality to want to “start fresh” and come out from under the dark cloud of the current state of our foreign affairs with these countries. While I agree that dealing with these two leaders is probably hopeless, perhaps a new start (I hope a brief one) is more useful to get the US back on the moral highground in the world’s view so that we can start to re-assemble our credibility with our allies. And give those two nut jobs a chance to show their colors to the world–get them to bite the hand that is reaching out to you, then assemble a true multinational force to deal with each problem from a unified and morally superior view point? Just a thought…

[Shadowfax]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]To me, it sounds very much like the situation with Iran and President I-Am-a-Dinner-Jacket. Continued European dissembling, combined with any sort of serious response or willingness to confront him has resulted in the present situation. Does engaging in further dialogue here help? Does having a strong grasp of history help? Does understanding the nature of the regime, the people and the motivations? And, I am not saying the McCain is possessed of a modicum more understanding than Obama is. Let me be very clear about that. I find his singing “bomb Iran” to the strains of the Beach Boys “Barbara Ann” chilling as hell.[/quote]

I find it to be a good quality to want to “start fresh” and come out from under the dark cloud of the current state of our foreign affairs with these countries. While I agree that dealing with these two leaders is probably hopeless, perhaps a new start (I hope a brief one) is more useful to get the US back on the moral highground in the world’s view so that we can start to re-assemble our credibility with our allies. And give those two nut jobs a chance to show their colors to the world–get them to bite the hand that is reaching out to you, then assemble a true multinational force to deal with each problem from a unified and morally superior view point? Just a thought…

[afx114]

BREAKING! McCain wants to bomb Iraq/Pakistan border, after bombing Czechoslovakia.

Unfortunately, neither target exists.

/snark

[afx114]

BREAKING! McCain wants to bomb Iraq/Pakistan border, after bombing Czechoslovakia.

Unfortunately, neither target exists.

/snark

[afx114]

BREAKING! McCain wants to bomb Iraq/Pakistan border, after bombing Czechoslovakia.

Unfortunately, neither target exists.

/snark

[afx114]

BREAKING! McCain wants to bomb Iraq/Pakistan border, after bombing Czechoslovakia.

Unfortunately, neither target exists.

/snark

[afx114]

BREAKING! McCain wants to bomb Iraq/Pakistan border, after bombing Czechoslovakia.

Unfortunately, neither target exists.

/snark

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Shadowfax: I agree, but a with one strong caveat: We don’t engage either of these “two nutjobs” (as you put it) on a peer-to-peer basis. Giving either any more credibility is a huge mistake.

I do agree that we need to mend fences, but we also need to be mindful of the European propensity to buy time through ceaseless jawboning.

Let me ask you a question: In your mind, what does this multinational force look like? Is this something done in concert with the UN? With NATO? Both of those organizations have shown a fairly high degree of incompetence and ineptitude when it comes to handling these sorts of problems. Just curious as to your thoughts.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Shadowfax: I agree, but a with one strong caveat: We don’t engage either of these “two nutjobs” (as you put it) on a peer-to-peer basis. Giving either any more credibility is a huge mistake.

I do agree that we need to mend fences, but we also need to be mindful of the European propensity to buy time through ceaseless jawboning.

Let me ask you a question: In your mind, what does this multinational force look like? Is this something done in concert with the UN? With NATO? Both of those organizations have shown a fairly high degree of incompetence and ineptitude when it comes to handling these sorts of problems. Just curious as to your thoughts.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Shadowfax: I agree, but a with one strong caveat: We don’t engage either of these “two nutjobs” (as you put it) on a peer-to-peer basis. Giving either any more credibility is a huge mistake.

I do agree that we need to mend fences, but we also need to be mindful of the European propensity to buy time through ceaseless jawboning.

Let me ask you a question: In your mind, what does this multinational force look like? Is this something done in concert with the UN? With NATO? Both of those organizations have shown a fairly high degree of incompetence and ineptitude when it comes to handling these sorts of problems. Just curious as to your thoughts.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Shadowfax: I agree, but a with one strong caveat: We don’t engage either of these “two nutjobs” (as you put it) on a peer-to-peer basis. Giving either any more credibility is a huge mistake.

I do agree that we need to mend fences, but we also need to be mindful of the European propensity to buy time through ceaseless jawboning.

Let me ask you a question: In your mind, what does this multinational force look like? Is this something done in concert with the UN? With NATO? Both of those organizations have shown a fairly high degree of incompetence and ineptitude when it comes to handling these sorts of problems. Just curious as to your thoughts.

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