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July 28, 2007 at 10:09 AM #9627July 28, 2007 at 10:10 AM #68341CAwiremanParticipant
Article was Friday July 27
HiggyBaby
July 28, 2007 at 10:10 AM #68410CAwiremanParticipantArticle was Friday July 27
HiggyBaby
July 28, 2007 at 12:04 PM #68355JustSayYesParticipantAnd as soon as the economy hits any sort of slowdown that debt starts to really hurt.
I also suspect part of the rosy projects included refinancing of the debt. Wall Street is totally addicted to any prospect of a Fed rate cut. For example when is the last time your heard a Wall Street CEO, pundit or money manager call out for a rate INCREASE? It just doesn’t happen. Couple that with the fact that the structural flaw in the fractional reserve banking system is inflation.
You simply cannot create money from nothing without resulting inflation.
July 28, 2007 at 12:04 PM #68424JustSayYesParticipantAnd as soon as the economy hits any sort of slowdown that debt starts to really hurt.
I also suspect part of the rosy projects included refinancing of the debt. Wall Street is totally addicted to any prospect of a Fed rate cut. For example when is the last time your heard a Wall Street CEO, pundit or money manager call out for a rate INCREASE? It just doesn’t happen. Couple that with the fact that the structural flaw in the fractional reserve banking system is inflation.
You simply cannot create money from nothing without resulting inflation.
July 28, 2007 at 12:15 PM #68359GoUSCParticipantIn general I think all these deals are just put together to make a handful of people very very rich and nothing more.
July 28, 2007 at 12:15 PM #68428GoUSCParticipantIn general I think all these deals are just put together to make a handful of people very very rich and nothing more.
July 28, 2007 at 11:01 PM #68439CAwiremanParticipantRadelow,
I have to agree with you.
And at the same time, it puts hundreds or thousands of people out of work. Though, in many cases the company is flagging anyway and needs to be restructured.
Though, there are some examples of profitable companies caught in the crossfire.
I didn’t realized that the equity gravy train had begun to grind to a halt until just recently. But, there are still lots of deals going through all the time, or at least until last week.
He who has the gold makes the rules.
HiggyBaby
July 28, 2007 at 11:01 PM #68508CAwiremanParticipantRadelow,
I have to agree with you.
And at the same time, it puts hundreds or thousands of people out of work. Though, in many cases the company is flagging anyway and needs to be restructured.
Though, there are some examples of profitable companies caught in the crossfire.
I didn’t realized that the equity gravy train had begun to grind to a halt until just recently. But, there are still lots of deals going through all the time, or at least until last week.
He who has the gold makes the rules.
HiggyBaby
July 30, 2007 at 1:13 PM #68718CAwiremanParticipantOther reflections on the deal:
http://www.bloggingbuyouts.com/2007/07/30/what-blackstone-is-doing-to-travelport/
And this:
http://usmarket.seekingalpha.com/article/42866
Thomas Tan
“PE firms are getting more and more short term lately. In the good old days, PE firms more focused on improving the acquired firms long term. They took a long time to aim (improve) then fire (sell). These days, PE firms fire first before aiming, seeking a very quick cash-out. In such short term, there is no way to improve the company materially, and what they do is basically to jack up both sides of the balance sheet, increasing asset and liability, then cashing out on the asset and dumping the liability to the public by IPO. The problem is during an unfriendly credit tightening market like now, the public is holding the bag of those low quality and risky bonds while the PE partners are cashing out with vast wealth in hand.”I wonder when/if laws could be passed to minimize this type of dealmaking? It would have to be part of a global effort, which makes it next to impossible….
HiggyBaby
July 30, 2007 at 1:13 PM #68788CAwiremanParticipantOther reflections on the deal:
http://www.bloggingbuyouts.com/2007/07/30/what-blackstone-is-doing-to-travelport/
And this:
http://usmarket.seekingalpha.com/article/42866
Thomas Tan
“PE firms are getting more and more short term lately. In the good old days, PE firms more focused on improving the acquired firms long term. They took a long time to aim (improve) then fire (sell). These days, PE firms fire first before aiming, seeking a very quick cash-out. In such short term, there is no way to improve the company materially, and what they do is basically to jack up both sides of the balance sheet, increasing asset and liability, then cashing out on the asset and dumping the liability to the public by IPO. The problem is during an unfriendly credit tightening market like now, the public is holding the bag of those low quality and risky bonds while the PE partners are cashing out with vast wealth in hand.”I wonder when/if laws could be passed to minimize this type of dealmaking? It would have to be part of a global effort, which makes it next to impossible….
HiggyBaby
July 30, 2007 at 1:26 PM #68720Allan from FallbrookParticipantTimes they are a changin’, though.
Blackstone’s share price is getting savaged right now, KKR is having similar issues, as is US Foodservice (when it comes to floating issues) and many of the senior players in the bridge financing business are increasingly reluctant to “play along” with the big PE and hedge fund players.
Much like the LBO frenzy of the 1980s, at some point the party comes to a close and the bill comes due. If we are not at that point, we are darn close.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. And, as bad as some of this dealmaking is, I would prefer to keep government and legislators out of the market. You’d just be trading one evil for another. Much of the dynamism found in our market is due to exactly this kind of buccaneering behavior. Is it prone to excess? Yup. Is it always bad? Nope.
July 30, 2007 at 1:26 PM #68790Allan from FallbrookParticipantTimes they are a changin’, though.
Blackstone’s share price is getting savaged right now, KKR is having similar issues, as is US Foodservice (when it comes to floating issues) and many of the senior players in the bridge financing business are increasingly reluctant to “play along” with the big PE and hedge fund players.
Much like the LBO frenzy of the 1980s, at some point the party comes to a close and the bill comes due. If we are not at that point, we are darn close.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. And, as bad as some of this dealmaking is, I would prefer to keep government and legislators out of the market. You’d just be trading one evil for another. Much of the dynamism found in our market is due to exactly this kind of buccaneering behavior. Is it prone to excess? Yup. Is it always bad? Nope.
July 30, 2007 at 1:38 PM #68726no_such_realityParticipantIt’s still the same junk bond game that Milken was famous for.
July 30, 2007 at 1:38 PM #68796no_such_realityParticipantIt’s still the same junk bond game that Milken was famous for.
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