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[Zeitgeist]

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Einstein

Web definitions for La Raza
La Raza (literally “The Race”) is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (i.e. Mexican American) and Mexican descent and the Hispanic world, as well by mestizos who share Native American or national Hispanic heritage.

While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings.

I guess they want it both ways.

[SK in CV]

Nobody wants it both ways.

[quote=Zeitgeist]”Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Einstein

Web definitions for La Raza
La Raza (literally “The Race”) is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (i.e. Mexican American) and Mexican descent and the Hispanic world, as well by mestizos who share Native American or national Hispanic heritage.

While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings.

I guess they want it both ways.[/quote]

The bolded words are the important ones. I’m not a native spanish speaker. At one time I was conversant. But I know enough to be confident that the nuances of the language evaded me. “Literal” translation is not always possible. Just like the same word can have different meanings in english, the translation of words is often imperfect.

The origin of “La Raza”:

the term originated in the book “La Raza Cosmica” written by José Vasconcelos, a Mexican intellectual (1881-1959). He described la raza cosmica as the product of racial mixing over time that was already in progress (black, white, asian, native american, all becoming racially and culturally mixed due to the events of time, for example the conquest of mexico resulted in mixing of the blood and culture of the natives and the spaniards). He believed that eventually all of the races would be completely mixed into a new race that had the best attributes of all the cultures and would “show us the way” so to speak.

the term caught on as simply “la raza” and has come to refer to the people of mexican ancestry(mexican as in from mexico, not specifically the native mexica tribe)wherever they may live at the present time. La raza to us means “our people” of common ancestry the same way a proud U.S. citizen might say “americans” with the intended meaning as his/her people of this country, all sharing a common background. that is the true meaning of “la raza”.

The full name of the organization is the National Council of La Raza. Since we should now be past the silly argument that the name itself is racist, I’ve yet to see any documentation that the organization has ever been involved with, or promoted racist activities. Unless, of course, it is assumed that promotion of any particular culture that isn’t white, is racist.

[SK in CV]

Nobody wants it both ways.

[quote=Zeitgeist]”Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Einstein

Web definitions for La Raza
La Raza (literally “The Race”) is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (i.e. Mexican American) and Mexican descent and the Hispanic world, as well by mestizos who share Native American or national Hispanic heritage.

While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings.

I guess they want it both ways.[/quote]

The bolded words are the important ones. I’m not a native spanish speaker. At one time I was conversant. But I know enough to be confident that the nuances of the language evaded me. “Literal” translation is not always possible. Just like the same word can have different meanings in english, the translation of words is often imperfect.

The origin of “La Raza”:

the term originated in the book “La Raza Cosmica” written by José Vasconcelos, a Mexican intellectual (1881-1959). He described la raza cosmica as the product of racial mixing over time that was already in progress (black, white, asian, native american, all becoming racially and culturally mixed due to the events of time, for example the conquest of mexico resulted in mixing of the blood and culture of the natives and the spaniards). He believed that eventually all of the races would be completely mixed into a new race that had the best attributes of all the cultures and would “show us the way” so to speak.

the term caught on as simply “la raza” and has come to refer to the people of mexican ancestry(mexican as in from mexico, not specifically the native mexica tribe)wherever they may live at the present time. La raza to us means “our people” of common ancestry the same way a proud U.S. citizen might say “americans” with the intended meaning as his/her people of this country, all sharing a common background. that is the true meaning of “la raza”.

The full name of the organization is the National Council of La Raza. Since we should now be past the silly argument that the name itself is racist, I’ve yet to see any documentation that the organization has ever been involved with, or promoted racist activities. Unless, of course, it is assumed that promotion of any particular culture that isn’t white, is racist.

[SK in CV]

Nobody wants it both ways.

[quote=Zeitgeist]”Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Einstein

Web definitions for La Raza
La Raza (literally “The Race”) is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (i.e. Mexican American) and Mexican descent and the Hispanic world, as well by mestizos who share Native American or national Hispanic heritage.

While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings.

I guess they want it both ways.[/quote]

The bolded words are the important ones. I’m not a native spanish speaker. At one time I was conversant. But I know enough to be confident that the nuances of the language evaded me. “Literal” translation is not always possible. Just like the same word can have different meanings in english, the translation of words is often imperfect.

The origin of “La Raza”:

the term originated in the book “La Raza Cosmica” written by José Vasconcelos, a Mexican intellectual (1881-1959). He described la raza cosmica as the product of racial mixing over time that was already in progress (black, white, asian, native american, all becoming racially and culturally mixed due to the events of time, for example the conquest of mexico resulted in mixing of the blood and culture of the natives and the spaniards). He believed that eventually all of the races would be completely mixed into a new race that had the best attributes of all the cultures and would “show us the way” so to speak.

the term caught on as simply “la raza” and has come to refer to the people of mexican ancestry(mexican as in from mexico, not specifically the native mexica tribe)wherever they may live at the present time. La raza to us means “our people” of common ancestry the same way a proud U.S. citizen might say “americans” with the intended meaning as his/her people of this country, all sharing a common background. that is the true meaning of “la raza”.

The full name of the organization is the National Council of La Raza. Since we should now be past the silly argument that the name itself is racist, I’ve yet to see any documentation that the organization has ever been involved with, or promoted racist activities. Unless, of course, it is assumed that promotion of any particular culture that isn’t white, is racist.

[SK in CV]

Nobody wants it both ways.

[quote=Zeitgeist]”Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Einstein

Web definitions for La Raza
La Raza (literally “The Race”) is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (i.e. Mexican American) and Mexican descent and the Hispanic world, as well by mestizos who share Native American or national Hispanic heritage.

While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings.

I guess they want it both ways.[/quote]

The bolded words are the important ones. I’m not a native spanish speaker. At one time I was conversant. But I know enough to be confident that the nuances of the language evaded me. “Literal” translation is not always possible. Just like the same word can have different meanings in english, the translation of words is often imperfect.

The origin of “La Raza”:

the term originated in the book “La Raza Cosmica” written by José Vasconcelos, a Mexican intellectual (1881-1959). He described la raza cosmica as the product of racial mixing over time that was already in progress (black, white, asian, native american, all becoming racially and culturally mixed due to the events of time, for example the conquest of mexico resulted in mixing of the blood and culture of the natives and the spaniards). He believed that eventually all of the races would be completely mixed into a new race that had the best attributes of all the cultures and would “show us the way” so to speak.

the term caught on as simply “la raza” and has come to refer to the people of mexican ancestry(mexican as in from mexico, not specifically the native mexica tribe)wherever they may live at the present time. La raza to us means “our people” of common ancestry the same way a proud U.S. citizen might say “americans” with the intended meaning as his/her people of this country, all sharing a common background. that is the true meaning of “la raza”.

The full name of the organization is the National Council of La Raza. Since we should now be past the silly argument that the name itself is racist, I’ve yet to see any documentation that the organization has ever been involved with, or promoted racist activities. Unless, of course, it is assumed that promotion of any particular culture that isn’t white, is racist.

[SK in CV]

Nobody wants it both ways.

[quote=Zeitgeist]”Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Einstein

Web definitions for La Raza
La Raza (literally “The Race”) is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (i.e. Mexican American) and Mexican descent and the Hispanic world, as well by mestizos who share Native American or national Hispanic heritage.

While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings.

I guess they want it both ways.[/quote]

The bolded words are the important ones. I’m not a native spanish speaker. At one time I was conversant. But I know enough to be confident that the nuances of the language evaded me. “Literal” translation is not always possible. Just like the same word can have different meanings in english, the translation of words is often imperfect.

The origin of “La Raza”:

the term originated in the book “La Raza Cosmica” written by José Vasconcelos, a Mexican intellectual (1881-1959). He described la raza cosmica as the product of racial mixing over time that was already in progress (black, white, asian, native american, all becoming racially and culturally mixed due to the events of time, for example the conquest of mexico resulted in mixing of the blood and culture of the natives and the spaniards). He believed that eventually all of the races would be completely mixed into a new race that had the best attributes of all the cultures and would “show us the way” so to speak.

the term caught on as simply “la raza” and has come to refer to the people of mexican ancestry(mexican as in from mexico, not specifically the native mexica tribe)wherever they may live at the present time. La raza to us means “our people” of common ancestry the same way a proud U.S. citizen might say “americans” with the intended meaning as his/her people of this country, all sharing a common background. that is the true meaning of “la raza”.

The full name of the organization is the National Council of La Raza. Since we should now be past the silly argument that the name itself is racist, I’ve yet to see any documentation that the organization has ever been involved with, or promoted racist activities. Unless, of course, it is assumed that promotion of any particular culture that isn’t white, is racist.

[Zeitgeist]

SK- Some of the most racist people I know are the fair skinned Mexican citizens with Spanish blood, who consider the indigenous “natives” to be beneath them. This native segment of the population and the Mestizo part of the population are mildly to strongly despised by their fellow citizens of higher class. It is just something that is. I do not defend their ancient tribalism. The U.S. also had the same antipathy toward the indigenous people as it moved West. I just bring it to your attention to illustrate a point about racism. I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. If you do not know there is a class system in Mexico and Latin America, you are truly naive. I think many Americans are also prejudiced against people who are not like them. However, I also see a generosity in Americans toward others that I do not see in many other societies.

[Zeitgeist]

SK- Some of the most racist people I know are the fair skinned Mexican citizens with Spanish blood, who consider the indigenous “natives” to be beneath them. This native segment of the population and the Mestizo part of the population are mildly to strongly despised by their fellow citizens of higher class. It is just something that is. I do not defend their ancient tribalism. The U.S. also had the same antipathy toward the indigenous people as it moved West. I just bring it to your attention to illustrate a point about racism. I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. If you do not know there is a class system in Mexico and Latin America, you are truly naive. I think many Americans are also prejudiced against people who are not like them. However, I also see a generosity in Americans toward others that I do not see in many other societies.

[Zeitgeist]

SK- Some of the most racist people I know are the fair skinned Mexican citizens with Spanish blood, who consider the indigenous “natives” to be beneath them. This native segment of the population and the Mestizo part of the population are mildly to strongly despised by their fellow citizens of higher class. It is just something that is. I do not defend their ancient tribalism. The U.S. also had the same antipathy toward the indigenous people as it moved West. I just bring it to your attention to illustrate a point about racism. I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. If you do not know there is a class system in Mexico and Latin America, you are truly naive. I think many Americans are also prejudiced against people who are not like them. However, I also see a generosity in Americans toward others that I do not see in many other societies.

[Zeitgeist]

SK- Some of the most racist people I know are the fair skinned Mexican citizens with Spanish blood, who consider the indigenous “natives” to be beneath them. This native segment of the population and the Mestizo part of the population are mildly to strongly despised by their fellow citizens of higher class. It is just something that is. I do not defend their ancient tribalism. The U.S. also had the same antipathy toward the indigenous people as it moved West. I just bring it to your attention to illustrate a point about racism. I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. If you do not know there is a class system in Mexico and Latin America, you are truly naive. I think many Americans are also prejudiced against people who are not like them. However, I also see a generosity in Americans toward others that I do not see in many other societies.

[Zeitgeist]

SK- Some of the most racist people I know are the fair skinned Mexican citizens with Spanish blood, who consider the indigenous “natives” to be beneath them. This native segment of the population and the Mestizo part of the population are mildly to strongly despised by their fellow citizens of higher class. It is just something that is. I do not defend their ancient tribalism. The U.S. also had the same antipathy toward the indigenous people as it moved West. I just bring it to your attention to illustrate a point about racism. I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. If you do not know there is a class system in Mexico and Latin America, you are truly naive. I think many Americans are also prejudiced against people who are not like them. However, I also see a generosity in Americans toward others that I do not see in many other societies.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist] I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. [/quote]

Please identify a single one of them. I suspect you can’t. Nor can you identify a single instance of me calling you any names.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist] I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. [/quote]

Please identify a single one of them. I suspect you can’t. Nor can you identify a single instance of me calling you any names.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist] I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. [/quote]

Please identify a single one of them. I suspect you can’t. Nor can you identify a single instance of me calling you any names.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Zeitgeist] I consider many of your remarks intolerant and bigoted. You can deny this all you want and call me more names because you disagree with what I write, but it will not change the facts. [/quote]

Please identify a single one of them. I suspect you can’t. Nor can you identify a single instance of me calling you any names.

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