ObamaCare…coming soon

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Free market has failed.

Actually it’s a little different than that — the system is failing because the healthcare “market” is ill-suited for a capitalist model. Capitalism works best when the time between the purchase of a good or service and the time when the purchaser can evaluate the quality of the good or service is short. Shoes are a good example, you choose them, wear them, and evaluate whether or not you like them. The market will tend to favor shoe companies who please their customers the most.

Now consider health insurance. You choose health insurance and pay for 10 or 15 years before getting cancer. Your provider refuses payment or just kicks you off because you once had acne. Now you won’t choose that provider again, but guess what — NO ONE ELSE WILL INSURE YOU because you have cancer. So you die and the insurance company still has your money.

This illustrates another problem with the healthcare “market”. Not everyone is allowed in. In the shoe market, anyone with money may purchase shoes. But in the healthcare market you can be denied entry through no fault of your own (and please spare us the stories of how everyone with cancer eats bad food or lives an unhealthy lifestyle).

Will this ever change in the US? I doubt it. People are going to have to get used to just not having healthcare and not being surprised when their insurance kicks them off or refuses to pay for treatment. That’s just the way it is here.

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?

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[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

You mean like the porkulous bill, cap and trade, the omni-bust bill and everything else they’ve been in rush to cram through?

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[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

You mean like the porkulous bill, cap and trade, the omni-bust bill and everything else they’ve been in rush to cram through?

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[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

You mean like the porkulous bill, cap and trade, the omni-bust bill and everything else they’ve been in rush to cram through?

[meadandale]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

You mean like the porkulous bill, cap and trade, the omni-bust bill and everything else they’ve been in rush to cram through?

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[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

You mean like the porkulous bill, cap and trade, the omni-bust bill and everything else they’ve been in rush to cram through?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

Afx: I wouldn’t necessarily argue against your idea, especially given the Republican’s woes as of late. However, my focus was not necessarily on the diversity of the Dems, but, rather, the initial reports that they had rallied around Obama and would see health care reform through to the end.

For the record, I do feel that changes are necessary, as is reform, but I don’t agree with this massively sweeping program being proposed at present by Obama.

I get the sense that his solutions are somewhat ham handed and involve stamping “Government” on it somewhere. Like I said, I’m not saying that there aren’t problems, I’m just not enamored of the solutions.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

Afx: I wouldn’t necessarily argue against your idea, especially given the Republican’s woes as of late. However, my focus was not necessarily on the diversity of the Dems, but, rather, the initial reports that they had rallied around Obama and would see health care reform through to the end.

For the record, I do feel that changes are necessary, as is reform, but I don’t agree with this massively sweeping program being proposed at present by Obama.

I get the sense that his solutions are somewhat ham handed and involve stamping “Government” on it somewhere. Like I said, I’m not saying that there aren’t problems, I’m just not enamored of the solutions.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

Afx: I wouldn’t necessarily argue against your idea, especially given the Republican’s woes as of late. However, my focus was not necessarily on the diversity of the Dems, but, rather, the initial reports that they had rallied around Obama and would see health care reform through to the end.

For the record, I do feel that changes are necessary, as is reform, but I don’t agree with this massively sweeping program being proposed at present by Obama.

I get the sense that his solutions are somewhat ham handed and involve stamping “Government” on it somewhere. Like I said, I’m not saying that there aren’t problems, I’m just not enamored of the solutions.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]It’s far more interesting to me that the Dems, who now effectively control the Executive Office and both the Senate and the House, can’t seem to pass to pass this bill. what’s the problem?[/quote]

Could it be that the Democrats are made up of a far more diversified group of representatives than the Republicans are, making it much more difficult to reach a consensus? Isn’t this how the legislative branch is supposed to work? As opposed to ramming everything through with a rubber stamp?[/quote]

Afx: I wouldn’t necessarily argue against your idea, especially given the Republican’s woes as of late. However, my focus was not necessarily on the diversity of the Dems, but, rather, the initial reports that they had rallied around Obama and would see health care reform through to the end.

For the record, I do feel that changes are necessary, as is reform, but I don’t agree with this massively sweeping program being proposed at present by Obama.

I get the sense that his solutions are somewhat ham handed and involve stamping “Government” on it somewhere. Like I said, I’m not saying that there aren’t problems, I’m just not enamored of the solutions.

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