Obama’s big sellout

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Many would like to see printed money go away, and in some ways I agree. That said, most of you have jobs and homes paid for directly or indirectly by printed money. Without it I believe we would see unemployment in excess of 50% right now.

I understand some are on retirements etc, but even that would be terminated if the tax payers suddenly became non tax payers as they lost jobs, as is already the case in a huge way in States across the country. So the choice is for ALL of us to get used to a LOT lower income and lifestyle, where ALL debts are not paid including those owed to retirees (GASP) or we print like there was no tomorrow.

Hard choices I know, but unless we can get away from a consumption based economy in which the things we consume are made by people earning less than a dollar an hour in most cases, I see little other choice.

As for Obama, I don’t know if he is a Trojan horse, or just inept, but the idea of Obama vs the reality of Obama are two very different things. And no that does not make me a Bush supporter. I am dismayed to find a third term of Bush policy when so much more should have and needed to be possible.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]Arraya, a nuclear power plant can be built in a couple months if you waive all the lawsuits and environmental reviews and ram it through. [/quote]

Brian, WTF are you smoking? A nuke plant can be built in a couple of months? What?

Dude, that is one of the markets/industries I happen to work in and you are completely out of your tree on this one. No way, no how.

Absolute minimum is three years and that is assuming no hitches in construction schedule prior to going critical.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]Arraya, a nuclear power plant can be built in a couple months if you waive all the lawsuits and environmental reviews and ram it through. [/quote]

Brian, WTF are you smoking? A nuke plant can be built in a couple of months? What?

Dude, that is one of the markets/industries I happen to work in and you are completely out of your tree on this one. No way, no how.

Absolute minimum is three years and that is assuming no hitches in construction schedule prior to going critical.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]Arraya, a nuclear power plant can be built in a couple months if you waive all the lawsuits and environmental reviews and ram it through. [/quote]

Brian, WTF are you smoking? A nuke plant can be built in a couple of months? What?

Dude, that is one of the markets/industries I happen to work in and you are completely out of your tree on this one. No way, no how.

Absolute minimum is three years and that is assuming no hitches in construction schedule prior to going critical.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]Arraya, a nuclear power plant can be built in a couple months if you waive all the lawsuits and environmental reviews and ram it through. [/quote]

Brian, WTF are you smoking? A nuke plant can be built in a couple of months? What?

Dude, that is one of the markets/industries I happen to work in and you are completely out of your tree on this one. No way, no how.

Absolute minimum is three years and that is assuming no hitches in construction schedule prior to going critical.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]Arraya, a nuclear power plant can be built in a couple months if you waive all the lawsuits and environmental reviews and ram it through. [/quote]

Brian, WTF are you smoking? A nuke plant can be built in a couple of months? What?

Dude, that is one of the markets/industries I happen to work in and you are completely out of your tree on this one. No way, no how.

Absolute minimum is three years and that is assuming no hitches in construction schedule prior to going critical.

[Arraya]

Actually, I think there is an issue with man power as well with nuclear. As in if we were to build many at once.

Stationary power is really not a problem of today. Portable power is and oil is the alpha and omega of energy as far as being energy dense and portable at the same time. Dilapidated electrical grids and other mismanagement are a problem in the US and around the world. Which is why blackouts are becoming a more frequent problem around the world. Kind of puts a hitch in the plug in car scenario. Like I said, there was a report commissioned by the government that said what waiting last minute for a transition would be like. Which is brutal and we are there.

The liquid fuel problem, which is todays problem affects growth based economics. As we saw last year when oil spiked. It was pretty close to shutting off globalization with fuel and food riots around the world. The banking collapse saved us from other problems, world wide.

Printing won’t bring us excess energy or “growth” as we know it. I’m sure they will print unit the cows come home. However, it will get to a point where the world will not want to give us scarce oil for printed dollars.

The west just ran up a tremendous amounts of debt and still has massive banking problems. Fixing these things is predicated on expecting and needing enormous amounts of growth in the future. Which is not going to come because you can’t increase economic activity with out energy growth.

How this plays out? Well, I’m kind of curious myself. It’s a much different dynamic that that world has ever been in.

Our problems are not technological or know how based. Though, there are some thermodynamic limitations that we would like to skirt but can’t in energy needs. They are cultural and structural. Lots of things we could do, but we seem to be running the ship into the ground while ignoring warnings. Kind of like they did with the banking system.

[Arraya]

Actually, I think there is an issue with man power as well with nuclear. As in if we were to build many at once.

Stationary power is really not a problem of today. Portable power is and oil is the alpha and omega of energy as far as being energy dense and portable at the same time. Dilapidated electrical grids and other mismanagement are a problem in the US and around the world. Which is why blackouts are becoming a more frequent problem around the world. Kind of puts a hitch in the plug in car scenario. Like I said, there was a report commissioned by the government that said what waiting last minute for a transition would be like. Which is brutal and we are there.

The liquid fuel problem, which is todays problem affects growth based economics. As we saw last year when oil spiked. It was pretty close to shutting off globalization with fuel and food riots around the world. The banking collapse saved us from other problems, world wide.

Printing won’t bring us excess energy or “growth” as we know it. I’m sure they will print unit the cows come home. However, it will get to a point where the world will not want to give us scarce oil for printed dollars.

The west just ran up a tremendous amounts of debt and still has massive banking problems. Fixing these things is predicated on expecting and needing enormous amounts of growth in the future. Which is not going to come because you can’t increase economic activity with out energy growth.

How this plays out? Well, I’m kind of curious myself. It’s a much different dynamic that that world has ever been in.

Our problems are not technological or know how based. Though, there are some thermodynamic limitations that we would like to skirt but can’t in energy needs. They are cultural and structural. Lots of things we could do, but we seem to be running the ship into the ground while ignoring warnings. Kind of like they did with the banking system.

[Arraya]

Actually, I think there is an issue with man power as well with nuclear. As in if we were to build many at once.

Stationary power is really not a problem of today. Portable power is and oil is the alpha and omega of energy as far as being energy dense and portable at the same time. Dilapidated electrical grids and other mismanagement are a problem in the US and around the world. Which is why blackouts are becoming a more frequent problem around the world. Kind of puts a hitch in the plug in car scenario. Like I said, there was a report commissioned by the government that said what waiting last minute for a transition would be like. Which is brutal and we are there.

The liquid fuel problem, which is todays problem affects growth based economics. As we saw last year when oil spiked. It was pretty close to shutting off globalization with fuel and food riots around the world. The banking collapse saved us from other problems, world wide.

Printing won’t bring us excess energy or “growth” as we know it. I’m sure they will print unit the cows come home. However, it will get to a point where the world will not want to give us scarce oil for printed dollars.

The west just ran up a tremendous amounts of debt and still has massive banking problems. Fixing these things is predicated on expecting and needing enormous amounts of growth in the future. Which is not going to come because you can’t increase economic activity with out energy growth.

How this plays out? Well, I’m kind of curious myself. It’s a much different dynamic that that world has ever been in.

Our problems are not technological or know how based. Though, there are some thermodynamic limitations that we would like to skirt but can’t in energy needs. They are cultural and structural. Lots of things we could do, but we seem to be running the ship into the ground while ignoring warnings. Kind of like they did with the banking system.

[Arraya]

Actually, I think there is an issue with man power as well with nuclear. As in if we were to build many at once.

Stationary power is really not a problem of today. Portable power is and oil is the alpha and omega of energy as far as being energy dense and portable at the same time. Dilapidated electrical grids and other mismanagement are a problem in the US and around the world. Which is why blackouts are becoming a more frequent problem around the world. Kind of puts a hitch in the plug in car scenario. Like I said, there was a report commissioned by the government that said what waiting last minute for a transition would be like. Which is brutal and we are there.

The liquid fuel problem, which is todays problem affects growth based economics. As we saw last year when oil spiked. It was pretty close to shutting off globalization with fuel and food riots around the world. The banking collapse saved us from other problems, world wide.

Printing won’t bring us excess energy or “growth” as we know it. I’m sure they will print unit the cows come home. However, it will get to a point where the world will not want to give us scarce oil for printed dollars.

The west just ran up a tremendous amounts of debt and still has massive banking problems. Fixing these things is predicated on expecting and needing enormous amounts of growth in the future. Which is not going to come because you can’t increase economic activity with out energy growth.

How this plays out? Well, I’m kind of curious myself. It’s a much different dynamic that that world has ever been in.

Our problems are not technological or know how based. Though, there are some thermodynamic limitations that we would like to skirt but can’t in energy needs. They are cultural and structural. Lots of things we could do, but we seem to be running the ship into the ground while ignoring warnings. Kind of like they did with the banking system.

[Arraya]

Actually, I think there is an issue with man power as well with nuclear. As in if we were to build many at once.

Stationary power is really not a problem of today. Portable power is and oil is the alpha and omega of energy as far as being energy dense and portable at the same time. Dilapidated electrical grids and other mismanagement are a problem in the US and around the world. Which is why blackouts are becoming a more frequent problem around the world. Kind of puts a hitch in the plug in car scenario. Like I said, there was a report commissioned by the government that said what waiting last minute for a transition would be like. Which is brutal and we are there.

The liquid fuel problem, which is todays problem affects growth based economics. As we saw last year when oil spiked. It was pretty close to shutting off globalization with fuel and food riots around the world. The banking collapse saved us from other problems, world wide.

Printing won’t bring us excess energy or “growth” as we know it. I’m sure they will print unit the cows come home. However, it will get to a point where the world will not want to give us scarce oil for printed dollars.

The west just ran up a tremendous amounts of debt and still has massive banking problems. Fixing these things is predicated on expecting and needing enormous amounts of growth in the future. Which is not going to come because you can’t increase economic activity with out energy growth.

How this plays out? Well, I’m kind of curious myself. It’s a much different dynamic that that world has ever been in.

Our problems are not technological or know how based. Though, there are some thermodynamic limitations that we would like to skirt but can’t in energy needs. They are cultural and structural. Lots of things we could do, but we seem to be running the ship into the ground while ignoring warnings. Kind of like they did with the banking system.

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