Obama’s Bailout Bunch Brings Us More of the Same

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Breeze: But you didn’t answer the question. Yes, he is extremely intelligent and his responses clearly support that. However, what about his appointments? You know as well as I that actions speak louder than words, and now we’re confronted with appointments that would seem to indicate a “business as usual” posture.

What about that? As I said earlier, I’m curious to hear what you think. Which means, don’t continue posting snippets of the interview, but weigh in yourself as to what you think his appointments represent in terms of “change” versus the status quo ante.

You mentioned Clinton earlier and that’s interesting. Interesting, because for an unabashed policy wonk, Clinton came up with very little in terms of new policy during his tenure. He was someone inarguably prepared to be President, from his Rhodes scholarship to his work as governor of Arkansas, but he produced little in terms of substantive policy. There might be some parallels here worth considering.[/quote]

Allan: This is the question that I keep posing to Obama supporters, and they (without exception) have real difficulty answering it. It seems we are at the point now where intelligence alone is relied upon to guide us through this crisis. Dubya has left this country so starved for a leader who can string two sentences together with proper grammar that we really aren’t demanding anything more than intelligence from the POTUS.

However, I think we can all agree that intelligence alone will not suffice in these circumstances. We see where intelligence has gotten us so far. Karl Rove: brilliant. Alan Greenspan: hailed as a genius (at his apex). Henry Paulson: widely-lauded as one of the brightest minds on Wall Street.

And yet, each of these men has managed to screw us every which way from Sunday.

What we desperately need now is someone of intelligence AND worthy intent. For it matters not if we are sold down the river by a brilliant mind. I look at Obama’s actions — not his words, mind you — and what I see troubles me.

We need a leader who is willing to erase the chalkboard, grab a new piece of chalk and start over. We need a leader who is willing to excise every trace of the cancer in this system, not just a few large tumors. Because unless the cancer is removed, the disease will continue to re-assert itself.

Many of the economic advisers that Obama has appointed are nothing less than cancer cells from a diseased system.

Breeze: please do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with those individuals cited in the article as Obama’s economic stewards during this crisis. It is not sufficient to say that you don’t have an opinion on the matter. You did enough research to determine that you enthusiastically support Obama. Now do enough research to ask the hard questions. Because you will be doing a disservice to both yourself and this country if you do not hold a man accountable for his actions and his decisions and simply give him a free pass because he’s “intelligent.”

And no, I am not waiting until Obama gets into the White House before I raise my criticisms, because his appointments are quite telling and are evidence of judgment (or lack thereof) and intent.

I looked the other way when Obama hauled Biden, the 35-year Congressional dinosaur, onto his team. I even held my tongue when I saw Obama raiding the Clinton personnel files to fill cabinet positions despite this promises to “turn the page”.

But this…this is really too egregious to ignore. This is nothing less than a slap in the face to all those who were truly expecting *change* at a time of crisis.

[NotCranky]

Obama’s “Hope and Change” message was an appeal to certain voters who would be manipulated by that. It is similiar to the Republican’s pleasing the evnagelicals, who would probably be manipulated by the hope message or some other emotional issue if the evangelical agenda wasn’t kept at the forefront for them.

You can’t really expect that Obama would not compete for as much or the dumb , easily manipulated, vote as he could. I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it. The dumb vote will not realize that they are routinely duped. They will just try harder next time for the candidate who most pushes the right buttons.

[NotCranky]

Obama’s “Hope and Change” message was an appeal to certain voters who would be manipulated by that. It is similiar to the Republican’s pleasing the evnagelicals, who would probably be manipulated by the hope message or some other emotional issue if the evangelical agenda wasn’t kept at the forefront for them.

You can’t really expect that Obama would not compete for as much or the dumb , easily manipulated, vote as he could. I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it. The dumb vote will not realize that they are routinely duped. They will just try harder next time for the candidate who most pushes the right buttons.

[NotCranky]

Obama’s “Hope and Change” message was an appeal to certain voters who would be manipulated by that. It is similiar to the Republican’s pleasing the evnagelicals, who would probably be manipulated by the hope message or some other emotional issue if the evangelical agenda wasn’t kept at the forefront for them.

You can’t really expect that Obama would not compete for as much or the dumb , easily manipulated, vote as he could. I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it. The dumb vote will not realize that they are routinely duped. They will just try harder next time for the candidate who most pushes the right buttons.

[NotCranky]

Obama’s “Hope and Change” message was an appeal to certain voters who would be manipulated by that. It is similiar to the Republican’s pleasing the evnagelicals, who would probably be manipulated by the hope message or some other emotional issue if the evangelical agenda wasn’t kept at the forefront for them.

You can’t really expect that Obama would not compete for as much or the dumb , easily manipulated, vote as he could. I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it. The dumb vote will not realize that they are routinely duped. They will just try harder next time for the candidate who most pushes the right buttons.

[NotCranky]

Obama’s “Hope and Change” message was an appeal to certain voters who would be manipulated by that. It is similiar to the Republican’s pleasing the evnagelicals, who would probably be manipulated by the hope message or some other emotional issue if the evangelical agenda wasn’t kept at the forefront for them.

You can’t really expect that Obama would not compete for as much or the dumb , easily manipulated, vote as he could. I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it. The dumb vote will not realize that they are routinely duped. They will just try harder next time for the candidate who most pushes the right buttons.

[partypup]

[quote=Rustico]I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it.[/quote]

You’re quite right, Rustico. They aren’t upset now.

But give it a year or so. When they are having trouble finding affordable food and gas, and rolling blackouts become a party of their daily life, I think they will get upset — and worse — very quickly.

And by the way, what I’m suggesting isn’t “immense change”. I’m just expecting Obama to “turn the page” as he said he would and bring in some new blood. A few old dinosaurs won’t hurt, to be sure. Biden is largely harmless, just an annoying reminder of The Old Guard. But Obama can easily bring new blood onto his economic advisory team. And that is MUCH needed. Heck, to even get the perspective of a Peter Schiff or a Jim Rogers would be immensely helpful. And in the spirit of bi-partisanship, why not enlist the aid of Ron Paul?

Doubtful that any of Obama’s supporters, regardless of how little real *change* they actually anticipate, are expecting him to recycle the same tired team of corrupt shysters who drove us into the abyss. I think they are looking to Obama to forge a way out of this mess, not to dig us into a deeper hole. We all know we can’t keep the Titanic from sinking at this point. I’m not expecting miracles. But what I am expecting Obama to do is secure as many lifeboats as possible so that we lose as few souls as possible. Don’t assume a bad situation can’t get much worse. This thing could easily spiral out of control and get apocalyptic if it is mis-handled.

I am really beginning to think that beaten-down, depressed, dispirited Americans, who have nothing else to show for their lives or their country after a drunken, 30-year spending spree and 8 years of Bush oppression, are thrilled to simply say that we have elected a black president. At the dawn of the 21st century, THIS is now our major accomplishment as a people and a nation. I admit, it does feel warm and fuzzy for a few minutes. But after the buzz wears off, you’re left wondering, “Okay. Now what?”

[partypup]

[quote=Rustico]I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it.[/quote]

You’re quite right, Rustico. They aren’t upset now.

But give it a year or so. When they are having trouble finding affordable food and gas, and rolling blackouts become a party of their daily life, I think they will get upset — and worse — very quickly.

And by the way, what I’m suggesting isn’t “immense change”. I’m just expecting Obama to “turn the page” as he said he would and bring in some new blood. A few old dinosaurs won’t hurt, to be sure. Biden is largely harmless, just an annoying reminder of The Old Guard. But Obama can easily bring new blood onto his economic advisory team. And that is MUCH needed. Heck, to even get the perspective of a Peter Schiff or a Jim Rogers would be immensely helpful. And in the spirit of bi-partisanship, why not enlist the aid of Ron Paul?

Doubtful that any of Obama’s supporters, regardless of how little real *change* they actually anticipate, are expecting him to recycle the same tired team of corrupt shysters who drove us into the abyss. I think they are looking to Obama to forge a way out of this mess, not to dig us into a deeper hole. We all know we can’t keep the Titanic from sinking at this point. I’m not expecting miracles. But what I am expecting Obama to do is secure as many lifeboats as possible so that we lose as few souls as possible. Don’t assume a bad situation can’t get much worse. This thing could easily spiral out of control and get apocalyptic if it is mis-handled.

I am really beginning to think that beaten-down, depressed, dispirited Americans, who have nothing else to show for their lives or their country after a drunken, 30-year spending spree and 8 years of Bush oppression, are thrilled to simply say that we have elected a black president. At the dawn of the 21st century, THIS is now our major accomplishment as a people and a nation. I admit, it does feel warm and fuzzy for a few minutes. But after the buzz wears off, you’re left wondering, “Okay. Now what?”

[partypup]

[quote=Rustico]I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it.[/quote]

You’re quite right, Rustico. They aren’t upset now.

But give it a year or so. When they are having trouble finding affordable food and gas, and rolling blackouts become a party of their daily life, I think they will get upset — and worse — very quickly.

And by the way, what I’m suggesting isn’t “immense change”. I’m just expecting Obama to “turn the page” as he said he would and bring in some new blood. A few old dinosaurs won’t hurt, to be sure. Biden is largely harmless, just an annoying reminder of The Old Guard. But Obama can easily bring new blood onto his economic advisory team. And that is MUCH needed. Heck, to even get the perspective of a Peter Schiff or a Jim Rogers would be immensely helpful. And in the spirit of bi-partisanship, why not enlist the aid of Ron Paul?

Doubtful that any of Obama’s supporters, regardless of how little real *change* they actually anticipate, are expecting him to recycle the same tired team of corrupt shysters who drove us into the abyss. I think they are looking to Obama to forge a way out of this mess, not to dig us into a deeper hole. We all know we can’t keep the Titanic from sinking at this point. I’m not expecting miracles. But what I am expecting Obama to do is secure as many lifeboats as possible so that we lose as few souls as possible. Don’t assume a bad situation can’t get much worse. This thing could easily spiral out of control and get apocalyptic if it is mis-handled.

I am really beginning to think that beaten-down, depressed, dispirited Americans, who have nothing else to show for their lives or their country after a drunken, 30-year spending spree and 8 years of Bush oppression, are thrilled to simply say that we have elected a black president. At the dawn of the 21st century, THIS is now our major accomplishment as a people and a nation. I admit, it does feel warm and fuzzy for a few minutes. But after the buzz wears off, you’re left wondering, “Okay. Now what?”

[partypup]

[quote=Rustico]I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it.[/quote]

You’re quite right, Rustico. They aren’t upset now.

But give it a year or so. When they are having trouble finding affordable food and gas, and rolling blackouts become a party of their daily life, I think they will get upset — and worse — very quickly.

And by the way, what I’m suggesting isn’t “immense change”. I’m just expecting Obama to “turn the page” as he said he would and bring in some new blood. A few old dinosaurs won’t hurt, to be sure. Biden is largely harmless, just an annoying reminder of The Old Guard. But Obama can easily bring new blood onto his economic advisory team. And that is MUCH needed. Heck, to even get the perspective of a Peter Schiff or a Jim Rogers would be immensely helpful. And in the spirit of bi-partisanship, why not enlist the aid of Ron Paul?

Doubtful that any of Obama’s supporters, regardless of how little real *change* they actually anticipate, are expecting him to recycle the same tired team of corrupt shysters who drove us into the abyss. I think they are looking to Obama to forge a way out of this mess, not to dig us into a deeper hole. We all know we can’t keep the Titanic from sinking at this point. I’m not expecting miracles. But what I am expecting Obama to do is secure as many lifeboats as possible so that we lose as few souls as possible. Don’t assume a bad situation can’t get much worse. This thing could easily spiral out of control and get apocalyptic if it is mis-handled.

I am really beginning to think that beaten-down, depressed, dispirited Americans, who have nothing else to show for their lives or their country after a drunken, 30-year spending spree and 8 years of Bush oppression, are thrilled to simply say that we have elected a black president. At the dawn of the 21st century, THIS is now our major accomplishment as a people and a nation. I admit, it does feel warm and fuzzy for a few minutes. But after the buzz wears off, you’re left wondering, “Okay. Now what?”

[partypup]

[quote=Rustico]I am not saying a lot of smart people didn’t vote for each party, but they were not really expecting some immense change and aren’t upset about it.[/quote]

You’re quite right, Rustico. They aren’t upset now.

But give it a year or so. When they are having trouble finding affordable food and gas, and rolling blackouts become a party of their daily life, I think they will get upset — and worse — very quickly.

And by the way, what I’m suggesting isn’t “immense change”. I’m just expecting Obama to “turn the page” as he said he would and bring in some new blood. A few old dinosaurs won’t hurt, to be sure. Biden is largely harmless, just an annoying reminder of The Old Guard. But Obama can easily bring new blood onto his economic advisory team. And that is MUCH needed. Heck, to even get the perspective of a Peter Schiff or a Jim Rogers would be immensely helpful. And in the spirit of bi-partisanship, why not enlist the aid of Ron Paul?

Doubtful that any of Obama’s supporters, regardless of how little real *change* they actually anticipate, are expecting him to recycle the same tired team of corrupt shysters who drove us into the abyss. I think they are looking to Obama to forge a way out of this mess, not to dig us into a deeper hole. We all know we can’t keep the Titanic from sinking at this point. I’m not expecting miracles. But what I am expecting Obama to do is secure as many lifeboats as possible so that we lose as few souls as possible. Don’t assume a bad situation can’t get much worse. This thing could easily spiral out of control and get apocalyptic if it is mis-handled.

I am really beginning to think that beaten-down, depressed, dispirited Americans, who have nothing else to show for their lives or their country after a drunken, 30-year spending spree and 8 years of Bush oppression, are thrilled to simply say that we have elected a black president. At the dawn of the 21st century, THIS is now our major accomplishment as a people and a nation. I admit, it does feel warm and fuzzy for a few minutes. But after the buzz wears off, you’re left wondering, “Okay. Now what?”

[TheBreeze]

Rumour has it that Hillary to be Obama’s Secretary of State:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state

[TheBreeze]

Rumour has it that Hillary to be Obama’s Secretary of State:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state

[TheBreeze]

Rumour has it that Hillary to be Obama’s Secretary of State:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state

[TheBreeze]

Rumour has it that Hillary to be Obama’s Secretary of State:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/17/hillary-clinton-secretary-of-state

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