Obama’s accomplishments so far

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Pri: Did you read what I penned in that same post about attorneys and area of practice?

You are actually making my point for me (“He’s about as much of a “constitutional law scholar” that someone can be WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY holding political office”). Read what you wrote, and then read what I wrote regarding areas of practice.

You’re damning him with faint praise, while I was making the point that he didn’t hold the position as a FULL-TIME JOB.

Then read the careful nuance in the U of C release, a point that FactCheck ALSO MAKES.

Aim before shooting, LT, it really improves your accuracy.

[Anonymous]

[quote]Then read the careful nuance in the U of C release, a point that FactCheck ALSO MAKES.[/quote]

What was I thinking? Just because he taught the subject for years at one of the top schools in the nation doesn’t mean that he’s a “scholar” – you know, someone who has knowledge of the subject.

I now realize that in the 12 years that Obama gave lectures, created assignments, graded papers, and led discussions with top law students he never actually knew anything about the Constitution at all.

Yes, it all comes down to semantics. Not a “scholar” but a “professor” – because the difference – and there must be one because you say there is – is so relevant.

I should have realized that it all comes down to “area of practice” – that’s the key!

Let’s ignore the common-sense facts and keep dancing in your circle of “nuance!”

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]To listen to certain Obama supporters, he’s the Second Coming of Oliver Wendell Holmes. [/quote]

No. That’s only to listen to certain Obama detractors make weak generalizations about Obama supporters.

We could easily make a similar sentence starting with “To listen to certain Ron Paul supporters…”

Wouldn’t have to go far for that one, would we?

I don’t care about a candidate’s supporters, I care about the candidate.

Now tell me if you can find one that understands and respects the whole Constitution.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote]Then read the careful nuance in the U of C release, a point that FactCheck ALSO MAKES.[/quote]

What was I thinking? Just because he taught the subject for years at one of the top schools in the nation doesn’t mean that he’s a “scholar” – you know, someone who has knowledge of the subject.

I now realize that in the 12 years that Obama gave lectures, created assignments, graded papers, and led discussions with top law students he never actually knew anything about the Constitution at all.

Yes, it all comes down to semantics. Not a “scholar” but a “professor” – because the difference – and there must be one because you say there is – is so relevant.

I should have realized that it all comes down to “area of practice” – that’s the key!

Let’s ignore the common-sense facts and keep dancing in your circle of “nuance!”[/quote]

Pri: Ah, back to the nonsense. Let’s simplify, shall we?

A scholar is defined by scholarship, i.e. published works (in academia, this falls under the old saw “Publish or Perish”).

Thus, “scholars”, by definition are FULL-TIME academics, not visiting lecturers or profs who divide their time between teaching and other pursuits, such as a political career. Hence, MY FRIGGIN’ POINT.

Get it now?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]To listen to certain Obama supporters, he’s the Second Coming of Oliver Wendell Holmes. [/quote]

No. That’s only to listen to certain Obama detractors make weak generalizations about Obama supporters.

We could easily make a similar sentence starting with “To listen to certain Ron Paul supporters…”

Wouldn’t have to go far for that one, would we?

I don’t care about a candidate’s supporters, I care about the candidate.

Now tell me if you can find one that understands and respects the whole Constitution.[/quote]

Pri: I call bullshit on this one, too. This “constitutional scholar” issue was bandied about considerably during the runup to the Democratic nomination for president, with the Clinton camp trying to discredit Obama’s own assertion on the topic. So, NO, not just detractors (since Obama and his supporters were advancing this).

FactCheck got involved LARGELY because of all the queries and questions on the topic and U of C issued that press release based on the same reason. So, NO, again.

You can try to laugh off the “nuance” aspect of this, but it does matter. Maybe not to you, but as a “strict constructionist”, I’m sure you have your reasons.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk]
I now realize that in the 12 years that Obama gave lectures, created assignments, graded papers, and led discussions with top law students he never actually knew anything about the Constitution at all.

Yes, it all comes down to semantics. Not a “scholar” but a “professor” – because the difference – and there must be one because you say there is – is so relevant.

[/quote]

Pri: Your little fulmination above got me thinking: In the 12 years that Obama lectured, what did he publish?

I’d imagine, over a period of time like that, he’d have published something, right? I mean, you’re arguing that he’s a “constitutional scholar” and scholarship, in the academic environment, is driven by what you’ve published, so…

What has he published?

[urbanrealtor]

Oh my god.
Would you whiney-ass little bitches just look up the page a bit and read what I posted?

“Professor” and “lecturer” and “scholar” are relatively polysemous and don’t mean the same thing.

A USD perfesser (eg: Ryan Ratcliff) can rightfully call himself a scholar even though he probably has not published a great deal.

I refer to myself as a perfesser of the dumb science but mostly after the 5th drink at the Alibi.

edit:
And I am calling it now.
You have both gone in circles fast enough to create a Higgs-Boson.
Stop talking and get me a burrito ASAP.

[bearishgurl]

UR, I’m surmising that your 5th drink at the “Alibi” is “walking distance” for you? As is the “Starbucks, Mickey D’s and Lalo’s?” donut shop across the street (to start your busy day)??

And you can walk yourself to “burrito shop(s),” too? :=D

In spite of your good company around there (I sincerely MEAN that!), there’s something to be said for being a “UR!”

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=bearishgurl]UR, I’m surmising that your 5th drink at the “Alibi” is “walking distance for you?” As is the “Starbucks, Mickey D’s and Lalo’s?” donut shop for the next early a.m. (to start your busy day)??

And you can walk yourself to “burrito shop(s),” too? :=D

In spite of your good company around there (I sincerely MEAN that!) there’s something to be said for being a “UR!”[/quote]

Roll by some time.
We can go over to sushi.

I am directly between Baja Betty’s and Ichiban and across the street from Ray’s Tennis and Gossip Grill.
Gossip is great for lunch.
Despite being geared toward the gay girl scene and having a tilted menu (eg: the cocktail called “the finger blaster”) it has great cheap drinks and killer food.

Go there.
Its awesome.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=urbanrealtor]You have both gone in circles fast enough to create a Higgs-Boson.
Stop talking and get me a burrito ASAP.[/quote]

Dan: I am the God Particle.

And, you and I have already doped out (long before) the whole “burrito fetching” hierarchy.

And, its “Mr. Whiny-ass Bitch” to you.

Regarding Pri: I just get tired of the knee-jerk reaction, wherein any point I make is treated as some scurrilous calumny against the good Obama.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Thus, “scholars”, by definition are FULL-TIME academics, not visiting lecturers or profs who divide their time between teaching and other pursuits, such as a political career. Hence, MY FRIGGIN’ POINT.

Get it now?[/quote]

Good ol’ Websters makes no mention of FULL TIME in the definition of “scholar” (no mention of “published” either.)

A friend of mine from high school has been in the reserves his whole life. Started out in FA but moved into infantry. He’s a mechanical engineer full time, works at HP. He’s collected a few patches: Airborne, Air Assault, CIB. He just got promoted to full bird. He’s a brigade commander in the Oregon National Guard.

But according to your definition, he’s not a soldier.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Thus, “scholars”, by definition are FULL-TIME academics, not visiting lecturers or profs who divide their time between teaching and other pursuits, such as a political career. Hence, MY FRIGGIN’ POINT.

Get it now?[/quote]

Good ol’ Websters makes no mention of FULL TIME in the definition of “scholar” (no mention of “published” either.)

A friend of mine from high school has been in the reserves his whole life. Started out in FA but moved into infantry. He’s a mechanical engineer full time, works at HP. He’s collected a few patches: Airborne, Air Assault, CIB. He just got promoted to full bird. He’s a brigade commander in the Oregon National Guard.

But according to your definition, he’s not a soldier.[/quote]

Pri: Utter bullshit, along the lines of your putting words in my mouth to the effect that Obama “knew nothing” about constitutional law (which I not only did NOT say, but never even implied).

This is a game, composed of semantics, but completely avoiding the truth or facts.

Also, don’t ever deign to tell me who I think is a soldier. That’s a shitty card to play, and you should know better.

[Anonymous]

The soldier card is a shitty one to play?

Dude, you are sad hypocrite.

[urbanrealtor]

Congratulations:
This thread was actually getting good yesterday.
Now it is personal and retarded.

This is like turning a good porn site into an abortion awareness seminar.

Or like turning my pollo asado burrito into a documentary on animal cruelty in chicken processing plants.

I am shocked and amazed that SD_R is the voice of reason.

Even without a burrito.

This thread is now officially a del Taco.

Down from a Roberto’s.

Sad now.

I am Jacks depressed tastebuds.

[urbanrealtor]

This is how delicious this thread has become:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/04/mechanically-separated-meat-chicken-mcnugget-photo_n_749893.html

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