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  • November 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM #482547
    mike92104
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    [quote=briansd1][quote=jpinpb]Not going to go through them all, but

    1. Offended the Queen of England.
    [/quote]

    I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.

    Oh, how far we’ve come!

    Why would an American care about offending the Queen? Didn’t we kick the Brits out?

    The real-a-la-Palin Americans I’ve met can’t even hold forks and knives properly. I can just imagine Palin in the presence of the Queen, haha..[/quote]

    I have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.

    I also have to agree that Obama so far has not impressed me t all. In many ways he has been a disappointment.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM #481711
    mike92104
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    [quote=sd_t2]jficquette… do you ever shut up?

    In case you were wondering, your constant rabid rants get a little boring, especially as misinformed and heavily cliche-ridden as they are.

    And I’m not even really an Obama fan…[/quote]

    At least explain what information is wrong in his post. The “Shut up!” post is ust as frustrating and silly as any other I have seen.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM #481880
    mike92104
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    [quote=sd_t2]jficquette… do you ever shut up?

    In case you were wondering, your constant rabid rants get a little boring, especially as misinformed and heavily cliche-ridden as they are.

    And I’m not even really an Obama fan…[/quote]

    At least explain what information is wrong in his post. The “Shut up!” post is ust as frustrating and silly as any other I have seen.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM #482246
    mike92104
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    [quote=sd_t2]jficquette… do you ever shut up?

    In case you were wondering, your constant rabid rants get a little boring, especially as misinformed and heavily cliche-ridden as they are.

    And I’m not even really an Obama fan…[/quote]

    At least explain what information is wrong in his post. The “Shut up!” post is ust as frustrating and silly as any other I have seen.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM #482325
    mike92104
    Participant

    [quote=sd_t2]jficquette… do you ever shut up?

    In case you were wondering, your constant rabid rants get a little boring, especially as misinformed and heavily cliche-ridden as they are.

    And I’m not even really an Obama fan…[/quote]

    At least explain what information is wrong in his post. The “Shut up!” post is ust as frustrating and silly as any other I have seen.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM #482552
    mike92104
    Participant

    [quote=sd_t2]jficquette… do you ever shut up?

    In case you were wondering, your constant rabid rants get a little boring, especially as misinformed and heavily cliche-ridden as they are.

    And I’m not even really an Obama fan…[/quote]

    At least explain what information is wrong in his post. The “Shut up!” post is ust as frustrating and silly as any other I have seen.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #481731
    ucodegen
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    I have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.

    She is a sovereign.. of England. That is why you don’t put your arm around her, unless you are the King of England.. but you also don’t bow to her, which citizens of England do. Barack Obama is the sovereign of the United States(voted into that position), Queen Elizabeth is sovereign of England(by bloodline). It is a meeting between sovereigns.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #481900
    ucodegen
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    I have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.

    She is a sovereign.. of England. That is why you don’t put your arm around her, unless you are the King of England.. but you also don’t bow to her, which citizens of England do. Barack Obama is the sovereign of the United States(voted into that position), Queen Elizabeth is sovereign of England(by bloodline). It is a meeting between sovereigns.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #482265
    ucodegen
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    I have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.

    She is a sovereign.. of England. That is why you don’t put your arm around her, unless you are the King of England.. but you also don’t bow to her, which citizens of England do. Barack Obama is the sovereign of the United States(voted into that position), Queen Elizabeth is sovereign of England(by bloodline). It is a meeting between sovereigns.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #482344
    ucodegen
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    I have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.

    She is a sovereign.. of England. That is why you don’t put your arm around her, unless you are the King of England.. but you also don’t bow to her, which citizens of England do. Barack Obama is the sovereign of the United States(voted into that position), Queen Elizabeth is sovereign of England(by bloodline). It is a meeting between sovereigns.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #482572
    ucodegen
    Participant

    I have to agree with Brian on this one. F&$# the queen! It should be seen as the queen offending the US by expecting us to treat her as a “sovereign”.

    She is a sovereign.. of England. That is why you don’t put your arm around her, unless you are the King of England.. but you also don’t bow to her, which citizens of England do. Barack Obama is the sovereign of the United States(voted into that position), Queen Elizabeth is sovereign of England(by bloodline). It is a meeting between sovereigns.

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #481716
    ucodegen
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    2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
    Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.html

    But there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/

    There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.

    I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.

    It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.

    There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #481885
    ucodegen
    Participant

    2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
    Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.html

    But there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/

    There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.

    I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.

    It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.

    There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #482250
    ucodegen
    Participant

    2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
    Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.html

    But there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/

    There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.

    I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.

    It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.

    There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…

    November 12, 2009 at 4:22 PM #482330
    ucodegen
    Participant

    2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.
    Yes, it appears Obama did bow to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia in April 2009. see: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5128171/Barack-Obama-criticised-for-bowing-to-King-Abdullah-of-Saudi-Arabia.html

    But there are also pictures of Bush Jr. walking with the same King, holding his hand. See: http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/02/video-obamas-deep-bow-to-the-saudi-king/

    There is a big difference between these two acts. The bowing means that you (and the country you represent)is inferior or below the one you are bowing to (placing the US subject to Saudi Arabia). Holding hands means working together as a team/group.

    I think that’s because Michele Obama touched the Queen and put her arm around her (not exactly protocol towards a sovereign). To some, a Black woman touching a White Queen is an offense.

    It was the putting the arm around.. it places the Queen as an inferior to Michele Obama (kind of what you would do to comfort/guide a child). And Michele Obama is not even a President/leader of state. This is what was the direct insult. The Queen of England has dealt and continue to deals with many black heads of state… without any insults either way.

    There is a whole ‘protocol’ thing that occurs when dealing with heads of state.. it is really quite convoluted. ie: When in the presence of the King of Thailand, your head must be lower than his, but that differs if you are a head of state… then it is who grabs whose hand first, to they also do a grab of the forearm with the left hand etc…

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