Not Surprised At All

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=SD Realtor]Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. It may indeed be traceable to somewhere in the administration. Same thing with the IRS scandal that wasn’t a scandal.

It doesn’t matter at this point.

The balance of the numbers imply that there is such a vast number of people receiving entitlements, that the party or person who continues to provide the most for them will pretty much win each election regardless of any other factors.[/quote]

Which does not explain why every 3rd government contractor has a Ron Paul sticker. Same with Realtors. Same with engineers.

You are an example of the wrongness of your assertion.

You work in 2 taxpayer-subsidized industries.

Yet you lean toward lower taxes and less government.

(kind of like our pensioning hypocrite Econprof)

Also, I am not sure an MSM tabloid is a great example of how to back up an assertion.

Its a bit like citing Sean Hannity in a women’s rights discussion (or really any discussion).

[SD Realtor]

No you (as usual) are missing my point completely. Also you are incorrect. Yes I am licensed and own a real estate business. However I also am an electrical engineer and have been for 25 years designing digital and mixed level custom designs. Never have done any work for defense or govt contract. So please don’t try to tell me where I make the bulk of my money and take a moral high ground that you are so prone to do.

Furthermore most all Obama supporters including my parents, brothers and sister all (used to claim) that in addition to his policies, they felt one of the fundamental changes he brought to the table was one of transparency. That he could be trusted, that his administration would not be beholden to lobbyist and free from chronyism. IMHO this administration is anything but that, and again IMHO this administration is a classic display of the opposite.

So before you go telling people about the wrongness of their assertions perhaps you need to get the facts straight.

[spdrun]

SD Realtor = not even indirectly? I worked for a company that designed and produced integrated circuits for telecomms applications. It wasn’t a gov’t contractor, but it did sell to companies that had gov’t contracts.

You’d be very surprised who end-users are if you look at the chain of supply.

[SD Realtor]

Except I know the end users. Once more don’t try to tell me what I do and where my products go.

Furthermore I marvel at how the point is conveniently ignored because it is much easier to not address the point but attack the person bringing it up because he doesn’t agree with the policies implemented by the administration.

Very well done by many of you.

Excellent strategy.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Except I know the end users. Once more don’t try to tell me what I do and where my products go.

Furthermore I marvel at how the point is conveniently ignored because it is much easier to not address the point but attack the person bringing it up because he doesn’t agree with the policies implemented by the administration.

Very well done by many of you.

Excellent strategy.[/quote]

Ok, let’s address the actual points.

you said

Additionally there was a good point made awhile back that what is more troublesome is not the lies from the top, but the abuses performed by individuals within the system. More often then not, these are done at the benefit of the administration without the administration even knowing it.

The actual abuses? Let’s see. Fast and Furious? no abuses that benefited the administration, and none that can actually be linked to the administration.

Benghazi? Whole lot of tragedy, big empty pot of scandal.

IRS? Whole lot of nothing, and even more nothingness when measuring based on benefits to the administration. (I suspect you may have missed the evidence that there was no one-sided targeting by the IRS, the targeting went both ways.)

The “fixed” numbers in the unemployment rate? Your conclusion, “someone said” qualifies as proof, even though examining what was actually said by “someone” provided no benefit whatsoever to the administration, irrespective of whether it was actually true.

So your conclusion is that if there’s lots of smoke there must be fire. Except there isn’t. It’s been a constant barrage of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks, nothing sticks and you STILL point to all the shit that fell to the floor as evidence.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=SD Realtor]Except I know the end users. Once more don’t try to tell me what I do and where my products go.

Furthermore I marvel at how the point is conveniently ignored because it is much easier to not address the point but attack the person bringing it up because he doesn’t agree with the policies implemented by the administration.

Very well done by many of you.

Excellent strategy.[/quote]

Jesus Adam.

Take a xanax and relax a little.

The points you were making (or so it appeared) were that:

A: There was a systematic deception in jobs data.
“Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report”

B: That people vote from self-interest.
“the party…who (provides) the most…will…win election”

Regarding A:
The first point is in conspiracy-theory land at present. It may turn out to have value but a back-page from the NYP is not a route to wider acceptance.
All I did was point that out.
I don’t consider this a valuable enough assertion to warrant debate (as I feel about many of your assertions).

Regarding B:
The assertion about voting self-interest in some objective sense is facile and non-credible.
My example of you is not an “attack” on your character nor is it a statement about your customer base. I don’t have any opinions on either of those topics (mostly).
It is an explicit statement by me that your industries (electrical engineering and real estate) are heavily subsidized (not you or your firm per se).
You have not countered that and (I suspect) cannot do so reliably.

[spdrun]

I’m not telling you what you do, I’m just asking you to closely examine chains of supply and production. BTW – I have no rooster in this fight, since my feelings on gov’t spending are very mixed (I’d like cutbacks in some areas, increases in others). Sorry if I was misinterpreted — I have no argument with you.

[Coronita]

Meh.. Can’t beat the system, join em….
That’s my philosophy.

If the market forces want to throw available properties at me cheap(er) initially, allow me to take out a low interest loan initially, and reinflate the property prices now to the point it becomes unaffordable again for many, keep the number of tenants renting large because of lack of affordability, reinflate the stock market and allowing me to sell into strength and take a large profit… allow my net worth to considerably increase and allow me to emerge from this “recession” much stronger financially than when I went in…….

Fine by me…My only regrest is.. Not hoarding more….

Resistance is futile…
New boss = old boss.. Same old same old…

Oh well…

Next….

[Anonymous]

Yeah, but those ACORN videos were totally legit.

[spdrun]

Flu – just don’t be too upset if property prices fall 20-25% from current — assuming you bought near bottom, it shouldn’t hurt too badly. Remember that SD already had one headfake ca. 2010.

[The-Shoveler]

I think flu got it right

New boss = old boss.. Same old same old…

I also think a repeat of 2010 is unlikely.

(local municipalities coffers have not recovered enough yet, unlikely they will let a significant downturn occur “greater than say 10%” without full QE in over drive). Anyway JMHO.

Stocks and house prices are just a means to that end.

[Coronita]

[quote=spdrun]Flu – just don’t be too upset if property prices fall 20-25% from current — assuming you bought near bottom, it shouldn’t hurt too badly. Remember that SD already had one headfake ca. 2010.[/quote]

Lol… I think 20-25% fall would put me roughly back to the purchase prices at this point roughly…Maybe slightly above.. ….Don’t really care. Because the rental income is nice…

The way I figure, it was financed by paper money from stock sales thanks to Ben Bernanke’s printing presses, and then refinanced with ridiculous loans from Ben Bernanke’s printing presses again. And enough cash to cover things anyway. And SD rentals pretty much cover primary home’s mortgage at this point, since the mortgage on the primary is ridiculously low, thanks again to Ben’s printing presses….

I’ll just let eventual inflation chew on my outstanding loan obligations and laugh all the way to the bank when the dollar returned decades from now is worth much less than what it was borrowed these days… If I do need to pull my heloc for another property, currently the rate is 3%, and when it does rise it’s capped at 6%, and if I wanted to I’ll simply just return it…

I don’t get mad these days. I get even….Lol….

[Coronita]

[quote=The-Shoveler]I think flu got it right

New boss = old boss.. Same old same old…

I also think a repeat of 2010 is unlikely.

(local municipalities coffers have not recovered enough yet, unlikely they will let a significant downturn occur “greater than say 10%” without full QE in over drive). Anyway JMHO.

Stocks and house prices are just a means to that end.[/quote]

I don’t try to predict the future…But I figure, if it comes to the point that I get screwed, other people will be even more screwed. So, relatively speaking, I think there would be bigger issues to worry about and I wouldn’t be the most screwed person… 🙂 With that, I don’t bother to worry about the state of the economy. I’m sure someone else will fix it…. Or maybe not….
.

[The-Shoveler]

I don’t pretend to predict the future either really, I just look at the obvious no one seems to want to talk about LOL..
Also I can generally tell when things are way way out of wack.
Other than that I am probably useless for future predicting.

[scaredyclassic]

I’m tired of pretending to live in the present. I’m going to move my entire operation into the future.

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