Non-salary CA budget cuts

[CA renter]

[quote=Russell]How can you say I don’t care about poor people just because I disagree with some of your views, most of which disagreement,I suppose, comes from varying opinions about nationalism and other stratification issues that we have not even begun to touch on? We are probably going to disagree on those things for eternity and it does not make me care less. Further more, I am concerned about the poor at this specific moment in time and voicing those concerns, not figuring out how to care about the poor after some abstract socialism is perfected.

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It’s not abstract socialism, and that middle class already exists — though it is faltering, largely because of the outsourcing jobs/insourcing labor that we’ve been experiencing.

If we carefully integrate legal immigrants into our society, and guard workers’ rights, then they too can enjoy a higher quality of life and the ability to work their way up the ladder. With the massive, unchecked immigration of exceedingly poor and desperate people, new (legal!) immigrants will be fighting against a rising tide, and will be far less likely to improve their living conditions over time.

Instead of raising everybody up, what you are advocating will eventually bring everybody down, IMHO.

BTW, I’m talking about poor people TODAY who will benefit if they are not competing with people who will work for a tiny fraction of their wages.

[NotCranky]

While I agree there is room for improvement, Immigration is not unchecked, it is to some degree orchestrated and has a tendency to self adjust. The problem is the mismanagement and irresponsibilty involved in creating and “illegal” underclass of inexpensive worker bees, that we feel entitled to blame when things go bad.

I am simply advocating not scapegoating people for the reasons mentioned in several posts, either while the system remains the same or nearly the same, or until the day we have something better. My guess is that, even if the system was built to your liking, during downturns low man on the totem pole gets the stuffing kicked out of him.As Peter seems to have interjected with his post above, Human Nature isn’t going to change based on the label of legal or illegal,so lets don’t use it as an excuse.

One funny Irony that I will mention is that many unions that are less threatened by “illegals” working in CA, lobby for their inclusion as users of said union member’s services probably in part to justify budgets! Some allies!Teasing aside, I also believe they feel that inclusion is correct under the circumstances. In the cases that I am aware of, I would agree.

Thanks for the discussion.

[NotCranky]

While I agree there is room for improvement, Immigration is not unchecked, it is to some degree orchestrated and has a tendency to self adjust. The problem is the mismanagement and irresponsibilty involved in creating and “illegal” underclass of inexpensive worker bees, that we feel entitled to blame when things go bad.

I am simply advocating not scapegoating people for the reasons mentioned in several posts, either while the system remains the same or nearly the same, or until the day we have something better. My guess is that, even if the system was built to your liking, during downturns low man on the totem pole gets the stuffing kicked out of him.As Peter seems to have interjected with his post above, Human Nature isn’t going to change based on the label of legal or illegal,so lets don’t use it as an excuse.

One funny Irony that I will mention is that many unions that are less threatened by “illegals” working in CA, lobby for their inclusion as users of said union member’s services probably in part to justify budgets! Some allies!Teasing aside, I also believe they feel that inclusion is correct under the circumstances. In the cases that I am aware of, I would agree.

Thanks for the discussion.

[NotCranky]

While I agree there is room for improvement, Immigration is not unchecked, it is to some degree orchestrated and has a tendency to self adjust. The problem is the mismanagement and irresponsibilty involved in creating and “illegal” underclass of inexpensive worker bees, that we feel entitled to blame when things go bad.

I am simply advocating not scapegoating people for the reasons mentioned in several posts, either while the system remains the same or nearly the same, or until the day we have something better. My guess is that, even if the system was built to your liking, during downturns low man on the totem pole gets the stuffing kicked out of him.As Peter seems to have interjected with his post above, Human Nature isn’t going to change based on the label of legal or illegal,so lets don’t use it as an excuse.

One funny Irony that I will mention is that many unions that are less threatened by “illegals” working in CA, lobby for their inclusion as users of said union member’s services probably in part to justify budgets! Some allies!Teasing aside, I also believe they feel that inclusion is correct under the circumstances. In the cases that I am aware of, I would agree.

Thanks for the discussion.

[NotCranky]

While I agree there is room for improvement, Immigration is not unchecked, it is to some degree orchestrated and has a tendency to self adjust. The problem is the mismanagement and irresponsibilty involved in creating and “illegal” underclass of inexpensive worker bees, that we feel entitled to blame when things go bad.

I am simply advocating not scapegoating people for the reasons mentioned in several posts, either while the system remains the same or nearly the same, or until the day we have something better. My guess is that, even if the system was built to your liking, during downturns low man on the totem pole gets the stuffing kicked out of him.As Peter seems to have interjected with his post above, Human Nature isn’t going to change based on the label of legal or illegal,so lets don’t use it as an excuse.

One funny Irony that I will mention is that many unions that are less threatened by “illegals” working in CA, lobby for their inclusion as users of said union member’s services probably in part to justify budgets! Some allies!Teasing aside, I also believe they feel that inclusion is correct under the circumstances. In the cases that I am aware of, I would agree.

Thanks for the discussion.

[NotCranky]

While I agree there is room for improvement, Immigration is not unchecked, it is to some degree orchestrated and has a tendency to self adjust. The problem is the mismanagement and irresponsibilty involved in creating and “illegal” underclass of inexpensive worker bees, that we feel entitled to blame when things go bad.

I am simply advocating not scapegoating people for the reasons mentioned in several posts, either while the system remains the same or nearly the same, or until the day we have something better. My guess is that, even if the system was built to your liking, during downturns low man on the totem pole gets the stuffing kicked out of him.As Peter seems to have interjected with his post above, Human Nature isn’t going to change based on the label of legal or illegal,so lets don’t use it as an excuse.

One funny Irony that I will mention is that many unions that are less threatened by “illegals” working in CA, lobby for their inclusion as users of said union member’s services probably in part to justify budgets! Some allies!Teasing aside, I also believe they feel that inclusion is correct under the circumstances. In the cases that I am aware of, I would agree.

Thanks for the discussion.

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