New California Taxes!

[patientrenter]

[quote=fredo4][quote=ralphfurley]

CA voters are idiots. They want everything and don’t want to pay for it. The ballot measures that passed last election are proof of that.[/quote]

I agree with Mr. Furley, I gave up on California voters after Arnold’s ballot initiatives failed so miserably a few years ago. If the people of this state are that stupid, however unfortunate it is for me, they get what they deserve. [/quote]

Well, they may be smarter than you give them credit for. Most of those voters are not too bright, or not too hardworking, or not too well educated or trained. For them, getting a bigger piece of a smaller pie may actually make sense.

In the long run, we’ll all be better off if we do what’s most productive, and Arnold’s initiatives were in the right direction for that, but the payoff for the less productive people in society might not be for 20-30 years, or never for some.

[jennyo]

I think if most California voters had a good understanding of how things work in state and local government, they would vote differently. Unfortunately, the only way to get that kind of knowledge is to deal with it every day, and if you did you would realize the situation is virtually intractable, short of a constitutional convention.

I hate to admit this, as a longtime state employee with serious skin in the game, but it is true. As I type, the leaders of the CA legislature are facing jihad from every special interest in the state for agreeing or not agreeing to what will actually solve the problem.

But the underlying problem is a crisis of government, and a populace that wants more than it is willing to pay to support. Or a populace that is strictly divided as to what it is willing to support with its tax dollars. How does a government (or a legislature) broker the outcome? Is compromise even possible?

[jennyo]

I think if most California voters had a good understanding of how things work in state and local government, they would vote differently. Unfortunately, the only way to get that kind of knowledge is to deal with it every day, and if you did you would realize the situation is virtually intractable, short of a constitutional convention.

I hate to admit this, as a longtime state employee with serious skin in the game, but it is true. As I type, the leaders of the CA legislature are facing jihad from every special interest in the state for agreeing or not agreeing to what will actually solve the problem.

But the underlying problem is a crisis of government, and a populace that wants more than it is willing to pay to support. Or a populace that is strictly divided as to what it is willing to support with its tax dollars. How does a government (or a legislature) broker the outcome? Is compromise even possible?

[jennyo]

I think if most California voters had a good understanding of how things work in state and local government, they would vote differently. Unfortunately, the only way to get that kind of knowledge is to deal with it every day, and if you did you would realize the situation is virtually intractable, short of a constitutional convention.

I hate to admit this, as a longtime state employee with serious skin in the game, but it is true. As I type, the leaders of the CA legislature are facing jihad from every special interest in the state for agreeing or not agreeing to what will actually solve the problem.

But the underlying problem is a crisis of government, and a populace that wants more than it is willing to pay to support. Or a populace that is strictly divided as to what it is willing to support with its tax dollars. How does a government (or a legislature) broker the outcome? Is compromise even possible?

[jennyo]

I think if most California voters had a good understanding of how things work in state and local government, they would vote differently. Unfortunately, the only way to get that kind of knowledge is to deal with it every day, and if you did you would realize the situation is virtually intractable, short of a constitutional convention.

I hate to admit this, as a longtime state employee with serious skin in the game, but it is true. As I type, the leaders of the CA legislature are facing jihad from every special interest in the state for agreeing or not agreeing to what will actually solve the problem.

But the underlying problem is a crisis of government, and a populace that wants more than it is willing to pay to support. Or a populace that is strictly divided as to what it is willing to support with its tax dollars. How does a government (or a legislature) broker the outcome? Is compromise even possible?

[jennyo]

I think if most California voters had a good understanding of how things work in state and local government, they would vote differently. Unfortunately, the only way to get that kind of knowledge is to deal with it every day, and if you did you would realize the situation is virtually intractable, short of a constitutional convention.

I hate to admit this, as a longtime state employee with serious skin in the game, but it is true. As I type, the leaders of the CA legislature are facing jihad from every special interest in the state for agreeing or not agreeing to what will actually solve the problem.

But the underlying problem is a crisis of government, and a populace that wants more than it is willing to pay to support. Or a populace that is strictly divided as to what it is willing to support with its tax dollars. How does a government (or a legislature) broker the outcome? Is compromise even possible?

[Anonymous]

You asked a question:

[quote=meadandale]Why is it always the new buyers that want to axe prop 13?[/quote]

and I provided you with what I consider to be a valid answer: because new buyers see that they are paying more in property taxes than the previous owner, and this imbalance triggers a low-level psychological response related to the concept of fairness:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97944783

If you read further into my post, you’ll see that I share your opinion that the elderly should not be forced to pay taxes on their homes relative to current valuation. But I do believe that property taxes should fluctuate relative to inflation more than they do now, with exceptions granted on a case-by-case basis.

[Anonymous]

You asked a question:

[quote=meadandale]Why is it always the new buyers that want to axe prop 13?[/quote]

and I provided you with what I consider to be a valid answer: because new buyers see that they are paying more in property taxes than the previous owner, and this imbalance triggers a low-level psychological response related to the concept of fairness:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97944783

If you read further into my post, you’ll see that I share your opinion that the elderly should not be forced to pay taxes on their homes relative to current valuation. But I do believe that property taxes should fluctuate relative to inflation more than they do now, with exceptions granted on a case-by-case basis.

[Anonymous]

You asked a question:

[quote=meadandale]Why is it always the new buyers that want to axe prop 13?[/quote]

and I provided you with what I consider to be a valid answer: because new buyers see that they are paying more in property taxes than the previous owner, and this imbalance triggers a low-level psychological response related to the concept of fairness:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97944783

If you read further into my post, you’ll see that I share your opinion that the elderly should not be forced to pay taxes on their homes relative to current valuation. But I do believe that property taxes should fluctuate relative to inflation more than they do now, with exceptions granted on a case-by-case basis.

[Anonymous]

You asked a question:

[quote=meadandale]Why is it always the new buyers that want to axe prop 13?[/quote]

and I provided you with what I consider to be a valid answer: because new buyers see that they are paying more in property taxes than the previous owner, and this imbalance triggers a low-level psychological response related to the concept of fairness:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97944783

If you read further into my post, you’ll see that I share your opinion that the elderly should not be forced to pay taxes on their homes relative to current valuation. But I do believe that property taxes should fluctuate relative to inflation more than they do now, with exceptions granted on a case-by-case basis.

[Anonymous]

You asked a question:

[quote=meadandale]Why is it always the new buyers that want to axe prop 13?[/quote]

and I provided you with what I consider to be a valid answer: because new buyers see that they are paying more in property taxes than the previous owner, and this imbalance triggers a low-level psychological response related to the concept of fairness:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97944783

If you read further into my post, you’ll see that I share your opinion that the elderly should not be forced to pay taxes on their homes relative to current valuation. But I do believe that property taxes should fluctuate relative to inflation more than they do now, with exceptions granted on a case-by-case basis.

[Anonymous]

[quote=rnen]And this somehow makes illegal immigration into the country OK??? The blue collar worker should just suck it up because the white collar worker is seeing his job outsourced????[/quote]

No argument here. I just wanted to point out that white-collar workers do have an analog to the situation you were describing for blue-collar workers: outsourcing.

[Anonymous]

[quote=rnen]And this somehow makes illegal immigration into the country OK??? The blue collar worker should just suck it up because the white collar worker is seeing his job outsourced????[/quote]

No argument here. I just wanted to point out that white-collar workers do have an analog to the situation you were describing for blue-collar workers: outsourcing.

[Anonymous]

[quote=rnen]And this somehow makes illegal immigration into the country OK??? The blue collar worker should just suck it up because the white collar worker is seeing his job outsourced????[/quote]

No argument here. I just wanted to point out that white-collar workers do have an analog to the situation you were describing for blue-collar workers: outsourcing.

[Anonymous]

[quote=rnen]And this somehow makes illegal immigration into the country OK??? The blue collar worker should just suck it up because the white collar worker is seeing his job outsourced????[/quote]

No argument here. I just wanted to point out that white-collar workers do have an analog to the situation you were describing for blue-collar workers: outsourcing.

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