Neighbors hate my Dog?!

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[quote=SK in CV] It’s not anectdotal, as is most of the anti-pit bull data. (like i said, we count bites. we don’t count non-bites.)

Breeders generally begin breeding when a female is around 2. It’s possible much younger. 100 years divided by 2 equals 50 generations. I’m guessing an average would probably be closer to maybe 25 generations a century. Compared to humans at maybe 4. My point was, if the intent was there, breeders could “create” great danes the size of chihuahuas in a single human lifetime. Same thing could also be done with almost any behavioral trait.[/quote]

Right. A ‘near’ accurate # of dogs in this country is not available, which deems reported bite incidence statistic immediately bunk. Broken down further, because DNA testing is not accurate, # of dogs breed type by name is not possible. Therefore, Pit Mix is a popular title thrown around, references nothing. So by ATTS, ‘pit bulls’ passing at rate of 86%, means even less.

OK, point understood. Thought you had knowledge of specific breeders practicing such idea and documenting process/results.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=briansd1]The dog should be smart, beautiful and obedient. What do you think the Weimaraner, Hungarian Vizsla, or German Short-Haired Pointer?
http://www.dog-breeds-list.com/dog-breeds/24/german-shorthaired-pointer%5B/quote%5D

Weis, Viszlas and Pointers are all great dogs. For people that want to put a lot of time into their dogs. Pretty similar dogs in my experience. But all 3 can be unpredictable at times. (I’ve worked with a couple snappy wei’s.) They can take a whole lot of work. I’ve worked with quite a few wei’s and vizlas, only one pionter that i can remember. They are NOT labs. They are NOT goldens. They are NOT GSD’s. You had 3 of the best, easiest to train to do anything dogs there are. These 3 breeds are likely to require a lot more. Both (not counting the pointer, which I really don’t have enough experience with) are breeds I would recommend against for inexperienced dog owners.

Might take a look at a chesepeake bay retriever. It’s a lab with a different coat, though maybe a little bit less needy. Their rep isnt the greatest, but my experience with rhodesian ridgebacks has also been great. Both are a little bit bigger dogs, but meet your requirements.

(Or you could always shave a standard poodle)[/quote]

I totally agree here. I have owned or worked with all three in my short life. These dogs are IMO alittle ‘smarter than the average dog’. That is both a good and bad thing.

Weis are alittle jumpy and prob the most likly to bite of the three. They need less exercise than a viszula, but a more careful eye. They dont always listen so good, so you will have to always keep up with the basic training.

Veszulas (I have owned /or trained nearly a dozen in my life) are needy. They will act like your kids, and think of themselves as such(my Brothers Viszula trys to get into bed with the family every day). Plus they NEED exercise, daily. Dont think, “can run with me on the weekends”, think “will take me for a 5 mile run every day”. Very good around kids though. And smarter than hell. But if you ignor them, they get distructive fast.

Pointers are alittle more independent than the above two, but also alittle more difficult to train. Weis and especially Viszulas crave your attention, and will learn anything you teach them. Pointers need to be engaged alittle more. But they also dont need to be run daily like a Viszula.

But as SK said, all are not beginner dogs. All of them will need alot of attention and exercise, more than your basic lab will.

Rhodesian ridgebacks are bigger than the above, but also great dogs. They just need a strong owner who will make sure the training is up to date. Everyone who I know who owns one just loves the breed.

I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

As always, each dog is different. I have had a fat lazy Veszula and my buddy had the most needy attentive/whinny dog (pointer) I have ever met. Dogs are individuals after all.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=briansd1]The dog should be smart, beautiful and obedient. What do you think the Weimaraner, Hungarian Vizsla, or German Short-Haired Pointer?
http://www.dog-breeds-list.com/dog-breeds/24/german-shorthaired-pointer%5B/quote%5D

Weis, Viszlas and Pointers are all great dogs. For people that want to put a lot of time into their dogs. Pretty similar dogs in my experience. But all 3 can be unpredictable at times. (I’ve worked with a couple snappy wei’s.) They can take a whole lot of work. I’ve worked with quite a few wei’s and vizlas, only one pionter that i can remember. They are NOT labs. They are NOT goldens. They are NOT GSD’s. You had 3 of the best, easiest to train to do anything dogs there are. These 3 breeds are likely to require a lot more. Both (not counting the pointer, which I really don’t have enough experience with) are breeds I would recommend against for inexperienced dog owners.

Might take a look at a chesepeake bay retriever. It’s a lab with a different coat, though maybe a little bit less needy. Their rep isnt the greatest, but my experience with rhodesian ridgebacks has also been great. Both are a little bit bigger dogs, but meet your requirements.

(Or you could always shave a standard poodle)[/quote]

I totally agree here. I have owned or worked with all three in my short life. These dogs are IMO alittle ‘smarter than the average dog’. That is both a good and bad thing.

Weis are alittle jumpy and prob the most likly to bite of the three. They need less exercise than a viszula, but a more careful eye. They dont always listen so good, so you will have to always keep up with the basic training.

Veszulas (I have owned /or trained nearly a dozen in my life) are needy. They will act like your kids, and think of themselves as such(my Brothers Viszula trys to get into bed with the family every day). Plus they NEED exercise, daily. Dont think, “can run with me on the weekends”, think “will take me for a 5 mile run every day”. Very good around kids though. And smarter than hell. But if you ignor them, they get distructive fast.

Pointers are alittle more independent than the above two, but also alittle more difficult to train. Weis and especially Viszulas crave your attention, and will learn anything you teach them. Pointers need to be engaged alittle more. But they also dont need to be run daily like a Viszula.

But as SK said, all are not beginner dogs. All of them will need alot of attention and exercise, more than your basic lab will.

Rhodesian ridgebacks are bigger than the above, but also great dogs. They just need a strong owner who will make sure the training is up to date. Everyone who I know who owns one just loves the breed.

I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

As always, each dog is different. I have had a fat lazy Veszula and my buddy had the most needy attentive/whinny dog (pointer) I have ever met. Dogs are individuals after all.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=briansd1]The dog should be smart, beautiful and obedient. What do you think the Weimaraner, Hungarian Vizsla, or German Short-Haired Pointer?
http://www.dog-breeds-list.com/dog-breeds/24/german-shorthaired-pointer%5B/quote%5D

Weis, Viszlas and Pointers are all great dogs. For people that want to put a lot of time into their dogs. Pretty similar dogs in my experience. But all 3 can be unpredictable at times. (I’ve worked with a couple snappy wei’s.) They can take a whole lot of work. I’ve worked with quite a few wei’s and vizlas, only one pionter that i can remember. They are NOT labs. They are NOT goldens. They are NOT GSD’s. You had 3 of the best, easiest to train to do anything dogs there are. These 3 breeds are likely to require a lot more. Both (not counting the pointer, which I really don’t have enough experience with) are breeds I would recommend against for inexperienced dog owners.

Might take a look at a chesepeake bay retriever. It’s a lab with a different coat, though maybe a little bit less needy. Their rep isnt the greatest, but my experience with rhodesian ridgebacks has also been great. Both are a little bit bigger dogs, but meet your requirements.

(Or you could always shave a standard poodle)[/quote]

I totally agree here. I have owned or worked with all three in my short life. These dogs are IMO alittle ‘smarter than the average dog’. That is both a good and bad thing.

Weis are alittle jumpy and prob the most likly to bite of the three. They need less exercise than a viszula, but a more careful eye. They dont always listen so good, so you will have to always keep up with the basic training.

Veszulas (I have owned /or trained nearly a dozen in my life) are needy. They will act like your kids, and think of themselves as such(my Brothers Viszula trys to get into bed with the family every day). Plus they NEED exercise, daily. Dont think, “can run with me on the weekends”, think “will take me for a 5 mile run every day”. Very good around kids though. And smarter than hell. But if you ignor them, they get distructive fast.

Pointers are alittle more independent than the above two, but also alittle more difficult to train. Weis and especially Viszulas crave your attention, and will learn anything you teach them. Pointers need to be engaged alittle more. But they also dont need to be run daily like a Viszula.

But as SK said, all are not beginner dogs. All of them will need alot of attention and exercise, more than your basic lab will.

Rhodesian ridgebacks are bigger than the above, but also great dogs. They just need a strong owner who will make sure the training is up to date. Everyone who I know who owns one just loves the breed.

I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

As always, each dog is different. I have had a fat lazy Veszula and my buddy had the most needy attentive/whinny dog (pointer) I have ever met. Dogs are individuals after all.

[DWCAP]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=briansd1]The dog should be smart, beautiful and obedient. What do you think the Weimaraner, Hungarian Vizsla, or German Short-Haired Pointer?
http://www.dog-breeds-list.com/dog-breeds/24/german-shorthaired-pointer%5B/quote%5D

Weis, Viszlas and Pointers are all great dogs. For people that want to put a lot of time into their dogs. Pretty similar dogs in my experience. But all 3 can be unpredictable at times. (I’ve worked with a couple snappy wei’s.) They can take a whole lot of work. I’ve worked with quite a few wei’s and vizlas, only one pionter that i can remember. They are NOT labs. They are NOT goldens. They are NOT GSD’s. You had 3 of the best, easiest to train to do anything dogs there are. These 3 breeds are likely to require a lot more. Both (not counting the pointer, which I really don’t have enough experience with) are breeds I would recommend against for inexperienced dog owners.

Might take a look at a chesepeake bay retriever. It’s a lab with a different coat, though maybe a little bit less needy. Their rep isnt the greatest, but my experience with rhodesian ridgebacks has also been great. Both are a little bit bigger dogs, but meet your requirements.

(Or you could always shave a standard poodle)[/quote]

I totally agree here. I have owned or worked with all three in my short life. These dogs are IMO alittle ‘smarter than the average dog’. That is both a good and bad thing.

Weis are alittle jumpy and prob the most likly to bite of the three. They need less exercise than a viszula, but a more careful eye. They dont always listen so good, so you will have to always keep up with the basic training.

Veszulas (I have owned /or trained nearly a dozen in my life) are needy. They will act like your kids, and think of themselves as such(my Brothers Viszula trys to get into bed with the family every day). Plus they NEED exercise, daily. Dont think, “can run with me on the weekends”, think “will take me for a 5 mile run every day”. Very good around kids though. And smarter than hell. But if you ignor them, they get distructive fast.

Pointers are alittle more independent than the above two, but also alittle more difficult to train. Weis and especially Viszulas crave your attention, and will learn anything you teach them. Pointers need to be engaged alittle more. But they also dont need to be run daily like a Viszula.

But as SK said, all are not beginner dogs. All of them will need alot of attention and exercise, more than your basic lab will.

Rhodesian ridgebacks are bigger than the above, but also great dogs. They just need a strong owner who will make sure the training is up to date. Everyone who I know who owns one just loves the breed.

I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

As always, each dog is different. I have had a fat lazy Veszula and my buddy had the most needy attentive/whinny dog (pointer) I have ever met. Dogs are individuals after all.

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=briansd1]The dog should be smart, beautiful and obedient. What do you think the Weimaraner, Hungarian Vizsla, or German Short-Haired Pointer?
http://www.dog-breeds-list.com/dog-breeds/24/german-shorthaired-pointer%5B/quote%5D

Weis, Viszlas and Pointers are all great dogs. For people that want to put a lot of time into their dogs. Pretty similar dogs in my experience. But all 3 can be unpredictable at times. (I’ve worked with a couple snappy wei’s.) They can take a whole lot of work. I’ve worked with quite a few wei’s and vizlas, only one pionter that i can remember. They are NOT labs. They are NOT goldens. They are NOT GSD’s. You had 3 of the best, easiest to train to do anything dogs there are. These 3 breeds are likely to require a lot more. Both (not counting the pointer, which I really don’t have enough experience with) are breeds I would recommend against for inexperienced dog owners.

Might take a look at a chesepeake bay retriever. It’s a lab with a different coat, though maybe a little bit less needy. Their rep isnt the greatest, but my experience with rhodesian ridgebacks has also been great. Both are a little bit bigger dogs, but meet your requirements.

(Or you could always shave a standard poodle)[/quote]

I totally agree here. I have owned or worked with all three in my short life. These dogs are IMO alittle ‘smarter than the average dog’. That is both a good and bad thing.

Weis are alittle jumpy and prob the most likly to bite of the three. They need less exercise than a viszula, but a more careful eye. They dont always listen so good, so you will have to always keep up with the basic training.

Veszulas (I have owned /or trained nearly a dozen in my life) are needy. They will act like your kids, and think of themselves as such(my Brothers Viszula trys to get into bed with the family every day). Plus they NEED exercise, daily. Dont think, “can run with me on the weekends”, think “will take me for a 5 mile run every day”. Very good around kids though. And smarter than hell. But if you ignor them, they get distructive fast.

Pointers are alittle more independent than the above two, but also alittle more difficult to train. Weis and especially Viszulas crave your attention, and will learn anything you teach them. Pointers need to be engaged alittle more. But they also dont need to be run daily like a Viszula.

But as SK said, all are not beginner dogs. All of them will need alot of attention and exercise, more than your basic lab will.

Rhodesian ridgebacks are bigger than the above, but also great dogs. They just need a strong owner who will make sure the training is up to date. Everyone who I know who owns one just loves the breed.

I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

As always, each dog is different. I have had a fat lazy Veszula and my buddy had the most needy attentive/whinny dog (pointer) I have ever met. Dogs are individuals after all.

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[SK in CV]

Brian, I’m gonna add just a couple more cents here.

[quote=DWCAP]
I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

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I fully understand the attraction of a pure bred dog. I have one myself. (the other one is a mixed rescue from the mean streets of Rosarito.)Seriously consider a mutt, mixed or cross breed. For a whole lot of reasons. It probably won’t be the most handsome dog, but it is likely to be healthier. My experience is that they also tend to be easier to train, not sure why but it seems the bad instincts tend to disappear. Never had an experience where a dog had all the bad traits of multiple breeds. Please consider a shelter dog. Usually lots to choose from.

You might also consider getting a new dog before the old one is through. They’re all different, but a lot of old dogs get new life when another dog comes into the household. If it’s a consideration, test drive it. Make sure the old one doesn’t hate the idea. Specially if it’s a puppy. Some old dogs really take to training the new kid. Others seem to hate it. If he hates it, let him live out his life with just the two of you.

Also, never ever ever get a puppy that’s been weaned before 8 weeks. I can give you a long list of probable behavior problems with puppies weaned too young.

And the poodle thing was just a joke. Poodle people will hate me, but I don’t really even consider them dogs.

[SK in CV]

Brian, I’m gonna add just a couple more cents here.

[quote=DWCAP]
I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

[/quote]

I fully understand the attraction of a pure bred dog. I have one myself. (the other one is a mixed rescue from the mean streets of Rosarito.)Seriously consider a mutt, mixed or cross breed. For a whole lot of reasons. It probably won’t be the most handsome dog, but it is likely to be healthier. My experience is that they also tend to be easier to train, not sure why but it seems the bad instincts tend to disappear. Never had an experience where a dog had all the bad traits of multiple breeds. Please consider a shelter dog. Usually lots to choose from.

You might also consider getting a new dog before the old one is through. They’re all different, but a lot of old dogs get new life when another dog comes into the household. If it’s a consideration, test drive it. Make sure the old one doesn’t hate the idea. Specially if it’s a puppy. Some old dogs really take to training the new kid. Others seem to hate it. If he hates it, let him live out his life with just the two of you.

Also, never ever ever get a puppy that’s been weaned before 8 weeks. I can give you a long list of probable behavior problems with puppies weaned too young.

And the poodle thing was just a joke. Poodle people will hate me, but I don’t really even consider them dogs.

[SK in CV]

Brian, I’m gonna add just a couple more cents here.

[quote=DWCAP]
I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

[/quote]

I fully understand the attraction of a pure bred dog. I have one myself. (the other one is a mixed rescue from the mean streets of Rosarito.)Seriously consider a mutt, mixed or cross breed. For a whole lot of reasons. It probably won’t be the most handsome dog, but it is likely to be healthier. My experience is that they also tend to be easier to train, not sure why but it seems the bad instincts tend to disappear. Never had an experience where a dog had all the bad traits of multiple breeds. Please consider a shelter dog. Usually lots to choose from.

You might also consider getting a new dog before the old one is through. They’re all different, but a lot of old dogs get new life when another dog comes into the household. If it’s a consideration, test drive it. Make sure the old one doesn’t hate the idea. Specially if it’s a puppy. Some old dogs really take to training the new kid. Others seem to hate it. If he hates it, let him live out his life with just the two of you.

Also, never ever ever get a puppy that’s been weaned before 8 weeks. I can give you a long list of probable behavior problems with puppies weaned too young.

And the poodle thing was just a joke. Poodle people will hate me, but I don’t really even consider them dogs.

[SK in CV]

Brian, I’m gonna add just a couple more cents here.

[quote=DWCAP]
I like the Bay retriever idea. You may be able to find a cross too. Often the best dogs are not pure breeds.

Never cared for standard poodles myslef, but that is just me.

[/quote]

I fully understand the attraction of a pure bred dog. I have one myself. (the other one is a mixed rescue from the mean streets of Rosarito.)Seriously consider a mutt, mixed or cross breed. For a whole lot of reasons. It probably won’t be the most handsome dog, but it is likely to be healthier. My experience is that they also tend to be easier to train, not sure why but it seems the bad instincts tend to disappear. Never had an experience where a dog had all the bad traits of multiple breeds. Please consider a shelter dog. Usually lots to choose from.

You might also consider getting a new dog before the old one is through. They’re all different, but a lot of old dogs get new life when another dog comes into the household. If it’s a consideration, test drive it. Make sure the old one doesn’t hate the idea. Specially if it’s a puppy. Some old dogs really take to training the new kid. Others seem to hate it. If he hates it, let him live out his life with just the two of you.

Also, never ever ever get a puppy that’s been weaned before 8 weeks. I can give you a long list of probable behavior problems with puppies weaned too young.

And the poodle thing was just a joke. Poodle people will hate me, but I don’t really even consider them dogs.

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