OT: Neighborhood Deterioration – Destination Temecula

[paramount]

This past Friday morning at about 1AM I was awakened in my house by police sirens that were obviously very close by – a little to close in fact.

The next day I asked my neighbors if they knew what had gone on – they had no idea. Finally a blurb in the Press Enterprise appeared on Saturday: a man was attacked and stabbed (attempted murder?)*very* close to my house. He should recover thankfully. Isolated incident? Nope.

Last year there was a shooting in the same general area.

A list of other crimes in my area:

*(2) rapes in the last approx. 2-3 years
*Open air drug dealing
*Gang fights
*Public drunkenness
*Used condoms laying around our park bench areas
*Constant vandalism

and a long list of petty crimes.

I’m just trying to figure out – should I stay or should I go? I don’t want my kids growing up around this crap; and yet these type of things could happen anywhere…

[temeculaguy]

I think it has come to the point that it is affecting your ability to be happy, so find somewhere that makes you happy. We’ve danced this dance so many times. In that case you referenced, the victim walked away (actualy the newspaper reported he walked to inland valley hospital which I find hard to believe), the suspect was known by name to the victim and was arrested and that’s all that is being reported, so you, the random stranger were in no danger. But you’ve posted about bar fights ten miles away and I’ve always said don’t go to biker bars at 1 am and you’ll be fine.

But go the fbi crime stats and find a place that has less crime. There are some, if it makes you feel safer, then it will be worth it to you.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/index.html

pick one of the two links at the bottom, where it says FAQ and how many crimes happened in my town and the other one, how many police are employed in my town. You are going to find that it is mostly your perception, or you just notice things more. Reality is, crime is down by crimes per population in temec and in most so cal towns, we are at 1950’s levels for cities of 100k+.

2008, temec had 151 violent crimes and 2432 property crimes, total 2583, and they had it at 98,663 pop. puts it a 25.9 crimes per thousand people. (in 2006 the total was 3097 and 2007 it was 3255) So as the crime rate falls, you think it rises becuse you pay more attention. In 1993 the crime rate 53.4 and it is now less than half that, but then again there are 4 times as many cops, more cops per person than any town is sd county (except it’s tied with carlsbad), So looking at the data, it’s completely your perception, it’s the availability of the internet to inform you of things you never used to know about.

carlsbad had 227 and 2258, total of 2485 on 97,670, almost the exact same rate.

esco had 567 and 4182, total of 4749 with 136,508 pop, 34 crimes per thousand people

del mar is actually horrible at 40 per thousand, but you add tourists, it screws up you rate because they add to the crime, yet not to the population, so it’s skewed sometimes, if people beat each other at the racetrack, the city gets the stat.

The lowest rates are found in places that are out of the way, that do not draw visitors to skew the stats, rural is usually better than suburmban and suburban usually better than metro. Lowest crime rate in Sd county is Ramona, at 15.2. It’s out of the way, has a very low visitor count, but if want lower stats, there you go. Fallbrook is sporting an 18.8, but it actually had more murders than temecula in 2008, yet not one random victim in either town so what does it matter, be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with, because outside of that, it’s lottery odds in most places with regards to getting murdered. Lager towns, places with lots of hotels, places with a tourist draw, places with lots of stores, their stats get bumped a little because of the thefts. I’m good with a 25 crimes per thousand rate, 2.5 per hundred per year, if I live here 50 years, odds are I’ll be the victim of one crime. When I lived at sdsu, I think I went through four car stereos and two televisions, in twenty years of being here, nothing, so I’m good, but if you are not, don’t let me keep you.

[temeculaguy]

I think it has come to the point that it is affecting your ability to be happy, so find somewhere that makes you happy. We’ve danced this dance so many times. In that case you referenced, the victim walked away (actualy the newspaper reported he walked to inland valley hospital which I find hard to believe), the suspect was known by name to the victim and was arrested and that’s all that is being reported, so you, the random stranger were in no danger. But you’ve posted about bar fights ten miles away and I’ve always said don’t go to biker bars at 1 am and you’ll be fine.

But go the fbi crime stats and find a place that has less crime. There are some, if it makes you feel safer, then it will be worth it to you.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/index.html

pick one of the two links at the bottom, where it says FAQ and how many crimes happened in my town and the other one, how many police are employed in my town. You are going to find that it is mostly your perception, or you just notice things more. Reality is, crime is down by crimes per population in temec and in most so cal towns, we are at 1950’s levels for cities of 100k+.

2008, temec had 151 violent crimes and 2432 property crimes, total 2583, and they had it at 98,663 pop. puts it a 25.9 crimes per thousand people. (in 2006 the total was 3097 and 2007 it was 3255) So as the crime rate falls, you think it rises becuse you pay more attention. In 1993 the crime rate 53.4 and it is now less than half that, but then again there are 4 times as many cops, more cops per person than any town is sd county (except it’s tied with carlsbad), So looking at the data, it’s completely your perception, it’s the availability of the internet to inform you of things you never used to know about.

carlsbad had 227 and 2258, total of 2485 on 97,670, almost the exact same rate.

esco had 567 and 4182, total of 4749 with 136,508 pop, 34 crimes per thousand people

del mar is actually horrible at 40 per thousand, but you add tourists, it screws up you rate because they add to the crime, yet not to the population, so it’s skewed sometimes, if people beat each other at the racetrack, the city gets the stat.

The lowest rates are found in places that are out of the way, that do not draw visitors to skew the stats, rural is usually better than suburmban and suburban usually better than metro. Lowest crime rate in Sd county is Ramona, at 15.2. It’s out of the way, has a very low visitor count, but if want lower stats, there you go. Fallbrook is sporting an 18.8, but it actually had more murders than temecula in 2008, yet not one random victim in either town so what does it matter, be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with, because outside of that, it’s lottery odds in most places with regards to getting murdered. Lager towns, places with lots of hotels, places with a tourist draw, places with lots of stores, their stats get bumped a little because of the thefts. I’m good with a 25 crimes per thousand rate, 2.5 per hundred per year, if I live here 50 years, odds are I’ll be the victim of one crime. When I lived at sdsu, I think I went through four car stereos and two televisions, in twenty years of being here, nothing, so I’m good, but if you are not, don’t let me keep you.

[temeculaguy]

I think it has come to the point that it is affecting your ability to be happy, so find somewhere that makes you happy. We’ve danced this dance so many times. In that case you referenced, the victim walked away (actualy the newspaper reported he walked to inland valley hospital which I find hard to believe), the suspect was known by name to the victim and was arrested and that’s all that is being reported, so you, the random stranger were in no danger. But you’ve posted about bar fights ten miles away and I’ve always said don’t go to biker bars at 1 am and you’ll be fine.

But go the fbi crime stats and find a place that has less crime. There are some, if it makes you feel safer, then it will be worth it to you.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/index.html

pick one of the two links at the bottom, where it says FAQ and how many crimes happened in my town and the other one, how many police are employed in my town. You are going to find that it is mostly your perception, or you just notice things more. Reality is, crime is down by crimes per population in temec and in most so cal towns, we are at 1950’s levels for cities of 100k+.

2008, temec had 151 violent crimes and 2432 property crimes, total 2583, and they had it at 98,663 pop. puts it a 25.9 crimes per thousand people. (in 2006 the total was 3097 and 2007 it was 3255) So as the crime rate falls, you think it rises becuse you pay more attention. In 1993 the crime rate 53.4 and it is now less than half that, but then again there are 4 times as many cops, more cops per person than any town is sd county (except it’s tied with carlsbad), So looking at the data, it’s completely your perception, it’s the availability of the internet to inform you of things you never used to know about.

carlsbad had 227 and 2258, total of 2485 on 97,670, almost the exact same rate.

esco had 567 and 4182, total of 4749 with 136,508 pop, 34 crimes per thousand people

del mar is actually horrible at 40 per thousand, but you add tourists, it screws up you rate because they add to the crime, yet not to the population, so it’s skewed sometimes, if people beat each other at the racetrack, the city gets the stat.

The lowest rates are found in places that are out of the way, that do not draw visitors to skew the stats, rural is usually better than suburmban and suburban usually better than metro. Lowest crime rate in Sd county is Ramona, at 15.2. It’s out of the way, has a very low visitor count, but if want lower stats, there you go. Fallbrook is sporting an 18.8, but it actually had more murders than temecula in 2008, yet not one random victim in either town so what does it matter, be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with, because outside of that, it’s lottery odds in most places with regards to getting murdered. Lager towns, places with lots of hotels, places with a tourist draw, places with lots of stores, their stats get bumped a little because of the thefts. I’m good with a 25 crimes per thousand rate, 2.5 per hundred per year, if I live here 50 years, odds are I’ll be the victim of one crime. When I lived at sdsu, I think I went through four car stereos and two televisions, in twenty years of being here, nothing, so I’m good, but if you are not, don’t let me keep you.

[temeculaguy]

I think it has come to the point that it is affecting your ability to be happy, so find somewhere that makes you happy. We’ve danced this dance so many times. In that case you referenced, the victim walked away (actualy the newspaper reported he walked to inland valley hospital which I find hard to believe), the suspect was known by name to the victim and was arrested and that’s all that is being reported, so you, the random stranger were in no danger. But you’ve posted about bar fights ten miles away and I’ve always said don’t go to biker bars at 1 am and you’ll be fine.

But go the fbi crime stats and find a place that has less crime. There are some, if it makes you feel safer, then it will be worth it to you.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/index.html

pick one of the two links at the bottom, where it says FAQ and how many crimes happened in my town and the other one, how many police are employed in my town. You are going to find that it is mostly your perception, or you just notice things more. Reality is, crime is down by crimes per population in temec and in most so cal towns, we are at 1950’s levels for cities of 100k+.

2008, temec had 151 violent crimes and 2432 property crimes, total 2583, and they had it at 98,663 pop. puts it a 25.9 crimes per thousand people. (in 2006 the total was 3097 and 2007 it was 3255) So as the crime rate falls, you think it rises becuse you pay more attention. In 1993 the crime rate 53.4 and it is now less than half that, but then again there are 4 times as many cops, more cops per person than any town is sd county (except it’s tied with carlsbad), So looking at the data, it’s completely your perception, it’s the availability of the internet to inform you of things you never used to know about.

carlsbad had 227 and 2258, total of 2485 on 97,670, almost the exact same rate.

esco had 567 and 4182, total of 4749 with 136,508 pop, 34 crimes per thousand people

del mar is actually horrible at 40 per thousand, but you add tourists, it screws up you rate because they add to the crime, yet not to the population, so it’s skewed sometimes, if people beat each other at the racetrack, the city gets the stat.

The lowest rates are found in places that are out of the way, that do not draw visitors to skew the stats, rural is usually better than suburmban and suburban usually better than metro. Lowest crime rate in Sd county is Ramona, at 15.2. It’s out of the way, has a very low visitor count, but if want lower stats, there you go. Fallbrook is sporting an 18.8, but it actually had more murders than temecula in 2008, yet not one random victim in either town so what does it matter, be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with, because outside of that, it’s lottery odds in most places with regards to getting murdered. Lager towns, places with lots of hotels, places with a tourist draw, places with lots of stores, their stats get bumped a little because of the thefts. I’m good with a 25 crimes per thousand rate, 2.5 per hundred per year, if I live here 50 years, odds are I’ll be the victim of one crime. When I lived at sdsu, I think I went through four car stereos and two televisions, in twenty years of being here, nothing, so I’m good, but if you are not, don’t let me keep you.

[temeculaguy]

I think it has come to the point that it is affecting your ability to be happy, so find somewhere that makes you happy. We’ve danced this dance so many times. In that case you referenced, the victim walked away (actualy the newspaper reported he walked to inland valley hospital which I find hard to believe), the suspect was known by name to the victim and was arrested and that’s all that is being reported, so you, the random stranger were in no danger. But you’ve posted about bar fights ten miles away and I’ve always said don’t go to biker bars at 1 am and you’ll be fine.

But go the fbi crime stats and find a place that has less crime. There are some, if it makes you feel safer, then it will be worth it to you.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/index.html

pick one of the two links at the bottom, where it says FAQ and how many crimes happened in my town and the other one, how many police are employed in my town. You are going to find that it is mostly your perception, or you just notice things more. Reality is, crime is down by crimes per population in temec and in most so cal towns, we are at 1950’s levels for cities of 100k+.

2008, temec had 151 violent crimes and 2432 property crimes, total 2583, and they had it at 98,663 pop. puts it a 25.9 crimes per thousand people. (in 2006 the total was 3097 and 2007 it was 3255) So as the crime rate falls, you think it rises becuse you pay more attention. In 1993 the crime rate 53.4 and it is now less than half that, but then again there are 4 times as many cops, more cops per person than any town is sd county (except it’s tied with carlsbad), So looking at the data, it’s completely your perception, it’s the availability of the internet to inform you of things you never used to know about.

carlsbad had 227 and 2258, total of 2485 on 97,670, almost the exact same rate.

esco had 567 and 4182, total of 4749 with 136,508 pop, 34 crimes per thousand people

del mar is actually horrible at 40 per thousand, but you add tourists, it screws up you rate because they add to the crime, yet not to the population, so it’s skewed sometimes, if people beat each other at the racetrack, the city gets the stat.

The lowest rates are found in places that are out of the way, that do not draw visitors to skew the stats, rural is usually better than suburmban and suburban usually better than metro. Lowest crime rate in Sd county is Ramona, at 15.2. It’s out of the way, has a very low visitor count, but if want lower stats, there you go. Fallbrook is sporting an 18.8, but it actually had more murders than temecula in 2008, yet not one random victim in either town so what does it matter, be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with, because outside of that, it’s lottery odds in most places with regards to getting murdered. Lager towns, places with lots of hotels, places with a tourist draw, places with lots of stores, their stats get bumped a little because of the thefts. I’m good with a 25 crimes per thousand rate, 2.5 per hundred per year, if I live here 50 years, odds are I’ll be the victim of one crime. When I lived at sdsu, I think I went through four car stereos and two televisions, in twenty years of being here, nothing, so I’m good, but if you are not, don’t let me keep you.

[EconProf]

Good post TG. Real numbers and empirical data should drive our decisions instead of dramatic headlines. Too often journalists ignor the deeper trends.
Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

[EconProf]

Good post TG. Real numbers and empirical data should drive our decisions instead of dramatic headlines. Too often journalists ignor the deeper trends.
Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

[EconProf]

Good post TG. Real numbers and empirical data should drive our decisions instead of dramatic headlines. Too often journalists ignor the deeper trends.
Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

[EconProf]

Good post TG. Real numbers and empirical data should drive our decisions instead of dramatic headlines. Too often journalists ignor the deeper trends.
Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

[EconProf]

Good post TG. Real numbers and empirical data should drive our decisions instead of dramatic headlines. Too often journalists ignor the deeper trends.
Along these lines….many people wrongly buy into the idea that recessions cause crime. But your cited facts belie that conclusion, as crime rates are thankfully falling most everywhere. The national crime rate was unusually low during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

[ocrenter]

“be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with”

yes, words to live by. =)

[ocrenter]

“be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with”

yes, words to live by. =)

[ocrenter]

“be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with”

yes, words to live by. =)

[ocrenter]

“be careful who you become romanticly entangled with, who you buy your drugs from and which gangs you join and who you pick fights with”

yes, words to live by. =)

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