MMoore movie SiCKO

[Anonymous]

JJG-, yep, for Castro’s bowel surgery, he had surgeons flown in from Spain.

Free healthcare for all. Some of it imported, for ‘those more equal than others,’ though.

[Anonymous]

JJG-, yep, for Castro’s bowel surgery, he had surgeons flown in from Spain.

Free healthcare for all. Some of it imported, for ‘those more equal than others,’ though.

[PerryChase]

I happen to love Michael Moore. I’ll go see his movie just to support him.

Sure, he’s like the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh and Rush is also rich and fat. Rush is a hypocrite drug abusing, philandering bastard. In that way he’s like most of his listeners. I know because our company used to sponsor Rush. He does bring in a lot of fanatical customers. Good for the pocket-book 🙂

Personally, I think that progressives have been too polite and meek for too long. The right likes in-your-face politics. Let’s give them what they dish out everyday. And let’s make money at it too. Why not? That’s the American way.

[PerryChase]

I happen to love Michael Moore. I’ll go see his movie just to support him.

Sure, he’s like the liberal version of Rush Limbaugh and Rush is also rich and fat. Rush is a hypocrite drug abusing, philandering bastard. In that way he’s like most of his listeners. I know because our company used to sponsor Rush. He does bring in a lot of fanatical customers. Good for the pocket-book 🙂

Personally, I think that progressives have been too polite and meek for too long. The right likes in-your-face politics. Let’s give them what they dish out everyday. And let’s make money at it too. Why not? That’s the American way.

[NotCranky]

Perry, I would side with you, but who has the politcal will to be very progressive? It seems like posturing up to the attitudes of the constituents ruls the day at election time and status quo rules at all others.Name one person who is universally progressive and in in politics or could get appointed by them.Yeah I am too demanding. I couldn’t listen to Rush limbaugh speak for more than thirty seconds no matter what my leanings were. I instantly get the feeling I need to start ducking globs of spit shooting out of my radio anytime he speaks.Yuck!

[NotCranky]

Perry, I would side with you, but who has the politcal will to be very progressive? It seems like posturing up to the attitudes of the constituents ruls the day at election time and status quo rules at all others.Name one person who is universally progressive and in in politics or could get appointed by them.Yeah I am too demanding. I couldn’t listen to Rush limbaugh speak for more than thirty seconds no matter what my leanings were. I instantly get the feeling I need to start ducking globs of spit shooting out of my radio anytime he speaks.Yuck!

[drunkle]

saw it. irate-pay ay-bay dot om-cay.

entertaining, a little tear jerking, if only half the movie is factually correct, eg., the part about hmo’s denying treatment, then it is worth watching and paying attention to.

it’s only mm movie i’ve ever seen. now i feel like i’ve missed out.

speaking of which, apparently there’s a youtube video that shows lawyers describing methods of h1b rule bending to company execs.

[drunkle]

saw it. irate-pay ay-bay dot om-cay.

entertaining, a little tear jerking, if only half the movie is factually correct, eg., the part about hmo’s denying treatment, then it is worth watching and paying attention to.

it’s only mm movie i’ve ever seen. now i feel like i’ve missed out.

speaking of which, apparently there’s a youtube video that shows lawyers describing methods of h1b rule bending to company execs.

[no_such_reality]

the part about hmo’s denying treatment,

Isn’t that the crux of any managed care system? It doesn’t matter if it is run by the government or not, someone, somewhere has to make the decision that patient X with disease Y doesn’t have an expected success rate to justify treatment.

It’s a finite pool of money. Coronary Artery Disease is a leading killer. 650,000 die a year. 5% die on the operating table. 20% within the year. 35% within 5 years. How much do we spend to treat CAD? How long will the wait be? The wait increases the death rate. What’s the cut-off for a patient if a panel doctors estimates they won’t make it through the operation? 50/50? 80% chance of death on table?

Or may favorite disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, aka human mad cow. roughly 200 cases a year in the US. 90% die within the year. How much do you allocate for spending? on treatment? on research? We don’t have a cure, will you doom 200 people year for lack of enough research or choose not to treat the heart disease patient above?

Given San Diego’s pension issues, has corrupt and inept as the insurance company’s may be, do you really think the Government is going to do it cheaper and better once the bureaucracy is established?

I don’t want to hear about the money could come from the war and be better spent, that’s non-issue, I’d consider that a given. However, that money barely scratches the surface. My question is, will you step up to the hard decisions or just pretend government healthcare is an endless mana from heaven.

[no_such_reality]

the part about hmo’s denying treatment,

Isn’t that the crux of any managed care system? It doesn’t matter if it is run by the government or not, someone, somewhere has to make the decision that patient X with disease Y doesn’t have an expected success rate to justify treatment.

It’s a finite pool of money. Coronary Artery Disease is a leading killer. 650,000 die a year. 5% die on the operating table. 20% within the year. 35% within 5 years. How much do we spend to treat CAD? How long will the wait be? The wait increases the death rate. What’s the cut-off for a patient if a panel doctors estimates they won’t make it through the operation? 50/50? 80% chance of death on table?

Or may favorite disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, aka human mad cow. roughly 200 cases a year in the US. 90% die within the year. How much do you allocate for spending? on treatment? on research? We don’t have a cure, will you doom 200 people year for lack of enough research or choose not to treat the heart disease patient above?

Given San Diego’s pension issues, has corrupt and inept as the insurance company’s may be, do you really think the Government is going to do it cheaper and better once the bureaucracy is established?

I don’t want to hear about the money could come from the war and be better spent, that’s non-issue, I’d consider that a given. However, that money barely scratches the surface. My question is, will you step up to the hard decisions or just pretend government healthcare is an endless mana from heaven.

[Bugs]

If we want to address health care we also need to address the civil tort system that turns a serious problem into a catasrophic problem. Doing one without the other is not only ineffective it’s hypocritical.

The primary reason health care is so expensive that we can’t just give it away to everyone is because there are waaaay too many attornies and professional victims who equate a doctor’s visit to a lottery ticket.

Universal health care isn’t about providing the best coverage to everyone – it’s about providing a servicable level of care, even though mistakes and deficiencies will sometimes occur as a result. Holding everyone to the gold standard is the reason these doctors have to order all those expensive tests even though 95% of the time they aren’t necessary. The doctors spend too much time, effort and money for CYA.

For those people who have both the desire and the means for the gold standard they can always pay the extra. Everyone else gets the Walter Reed version; not perfect but about equal to what you’d get in any other country with universal health care.

That, and we need to put some teeth into the disciplinary boards and agencies that are charged with regulating the professional practice of these care providers. We wouldn’t view litigation lotto as being the primary mode of control over substandard health care providers if the government would enforce the existing laws and regulations that already apply.

But I don’t wanna hear any noise about addressing only half the problem to the exclusion and benefit of the other half.

[Bugs]

If we want to address health care we also need to address the civil tort system that turns a serious problem into a catasrophic problem. Doing one without the other is not only ineffective it’s hypocritical.

The primary reason health care is so expensive that we can’t just give it away to everyone is because there are waaaay too many attornies and professional victims who equate a doctor’s visit to a lottery ticket.

Universal health care isn’t about providing the best coverage to everyone – it’s about providing a servicable level of care, even though mistakes and deficiencies will sometimes occur as a result. Holding everyone to the gold standard is the reason these doctors have to order all those expensive tests even though 95% of the time they aren’t necessary. The doctors spend too much time, effort and money for CYA.

For those people who have both the desire and the means for the gold standard they can always pay the extra. Everyone else gets the Walter Reed version; not perfect but about equal to what you’d get in any other country with universal health care.

That, and we need to put some teeth into the disciplinary boards and agencies that are charged with regulating the professional practice of these care providers. We wouldn’t view litigation lotto as being the primary mode of control over substandard health care providers if the government would enforce the existing laws and regulations that already apply.

But I don’t wanna hear any noise about addressing only half the problem to the exclusion and benefit of the other half.

[what_a_disasta]

I saw it and found it to be really moving. It makes a compelling case that the HMO’s havent got our best interests at heart. I think you should definately watch it, no matter what side of the fence you sit on. I have lived under social and private medicine systems (US and UK) and I know which one I prefer. The funny thing is I pay at least as much tax in the US as I did in the UK. The difference is that in the US at least 50% of that money is used for fighting wars, instead of keeping us all healthy.
There is going to be a lot of negative noise from industry shills and the ‘got mine, screw you’ crowd, but do yourself a favor and see it for yourself and make up your own mind.

[what_a_disasta]

I saw it and found it to be really moving. It makes a compelling case that the HMO’s havent got our best interests at heart. I think you should definately watch it, no matter what side of the fence you sit on. I have lived under social and private medicine systems (US and UK) and I know which one I prefer. The funny thing is I pay at least as much tax in the US as I did in the UK. The difference is that in the US at least 50% of that money is used for fighting wars, instead of keeping us all healthy.
There is going to be a lot of negative noise from industry shills and the ‘got mine, screw you’ crowd, but do yourself a favor and see it for yourself and make up your own mind.

[uncomfortably numb]

This health care system is dysfunctional for many, many reasons but none more fundamental than the calculated manipulation and exploitation of people’s fear of suffering and death.

This control allows the capital interests to effectively ply there wares on a public literally scared to death. How else do you think you have have half the senior population in this country drugged beyond recognition. When you see patients hand you their drug lists that contain fifteen or twenty different meds, then you begin to understand why the Pharma industry is what it is.

1984 us here my friends.

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