Military Times calls for Firing of Rumsfeld

[Anonymous]

What does Iraq have to do with saving Western Civilization? That is about the most retarded thing I have ever heard in my life.

[L_Thek_onomics]

“What does Iraq have to do with saving Western Civilization? That is about the most retarded thing I have ever heard in my life.”

Last time I checked, the international coalition (including the new Iraq
forces) are not fighting a bunch of humanitarians and charitable
organizations, but a large number of terrorist insurgency. The nature
of war based on history, if one side doesn’t win, the other does. If the
U.S lead coalition doesn’t defeat the terrorists and help maintain a
civilized government, Iraq can become a terrorist state. The concept
of taking over the world is not a new invention of militant Islam. It was
revealed on 9/11/01, and proved after. The incremental takeover was
interrupted by the U.S. invasion of Afganistan and Iraq. Militant Islam is
on the defense now, but far from defeated. The world can’t afford to wait
until an anti-western maniac supply them with nuclear devices. Imagine
the worldwide chaos created by a half of dozen nuclear explosions.
Not understanding the importance and magnitude of the war in Iraq is
“the most retarded thing”.

L Thek

[Anonymous]

What Coalition??? You are truly delusional.

[PerryChase]

…. it’s like saying the Iraq government is “inviting” America to stay and defend its democracy. I don’t think that we are asking the Iraqi government “permission” to do anything on their soil. If the Malaki government doesn’t work out, we’ll “engineer” some replacement to take care of the problem. Democracy, my ass!

[ltokuda]

The latest news is that Rumsfeld is going to resign.

[zk]

“The incremental takeover was interrupted by the U.S. invasion of Afganistan and Iraq.”

The incremental takeover was aided by the invasion of Iraq. Not interrupted. The invasion of Iraq has created large numbers of more-determined-than-ever jihadists. Iraq had very little to do with terrorism before we invaded. It is now the world centerpiece for militant islam. Brilliant.

[lindismith]

Never mind that it costs $4billion a month – a few $million a minute!

Just think what we could do with that money in education, health-care, new business development, etc etc.

[PD]

First, let us not all forget that 9-11 happened. Further, militant Islamic groups hate us, are going to continue to hate us and are going to continue to try to hurt us. This is going to happen NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.

So here is an incomplete of things we could do going forward:
1) Cut and run with our tail between our legs (proposed as a brilliant solution by many on this board).
2) Stay the course.
3) Split Iraq into three areas based on religious majorities with their own governments.
4) Increase our military presence, throw out the incredibly restrictive rules governing military engagements and crack down really, really hard. This may include kicking the s**t out of Syria and Iran.

If we cut and run, does anybody really think the terrorists are going to decide to leave us alone? I think they will be emboldened even further. We end up looking weak and unable to strike back effectively.

Staying the course does not seem to be working but at least we are doing something rather than sitting back, picking our nose and waiting for them to hit us again.

Splitting the country will probably result in civil war and an increase in Iran’s influence in the region.

If we approached the crack down with the intent to WIN and without trying to make it look pretty for the press and the bleeding hearts here, we just might stop them from hitting us here again. Of course, they will hate even more but the underlying goal is to stop their ABILITY to get to us.

We need to do something to stop them. I believe that the detonation of a nuclear weapon in the United States is coming. We have to pull out the stops. Cutting and running accomplishes NOTHING in this goal.

As for the cost, it is certainly huge. We should be sucking every ounce of oil out Iraq and using it to pay for the war (that is going to cause some outraged squeals). This is what almost all occupying countries have done in the history of the world. They take what they have conquered and add it to their own treasuries. Rome ran on the money of the conquered.

However, we are too “nice” to do what needs to be done.

I invite all those who want us to cut and run to give a prediction as to what they will think will happen if we follow that course.
Does anyone have an alternate course of action that they would like to put forward?

[Anonymous]

Amazing, after nearly 6 years of incompetence by this administration, they finally fired somebody. And it took the Military Times editorial to push them over the top. Great example of the power of the press.

[PD]

I doubt the editorial had much to do with the resignation. Have you forgotten the election yesterday?

[zk]

First of all, for the record, I’ve never advocated cut and run. Yes, the terrorists may be emboldened if we do that.

As far as remembering 9/11, yes we need to always remember that. But it shouldn’t be implied that 9/11 justified invading Iraq in the first place. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. If we were going to invade anybody (after Afghanistan) because of 9/11, it should have been Saudi Arabia. Comparing Iraq’s funding of terrorists to Saudi Arabia’s is like comparing the Botswana’s GNP to that of the U.S. We invaded Iraq because that’s what neocons had wanted to do for a decade before 9/11. They just needed an excuse, and 9/11 was it.

Let me ask you this, PD: Do you think it was a mistake to invade Iraq? If not, why not? What have we accomplished there? What did we hope to accomplish there (that would make us/the world safer than it was before we invaded, not safer than it is now).

[PD]

Whether or not we should have invaded is now moot. We are there. Since we don’t have a time machine, we need to be looking forward. What should we do now?

[The-Shoveler]

Nor_LA-Temcu-SD-Guy

First Fire the Guy who made the bad decisions so he won’t make more of them !!

[PD]

Hmm, lets see…. Does that include everybody who voted for it?

[Anonymous]

Come on PD, show some common sense. If somebody in a position of responsibility makes bad decisions, you fire them because they have demonstrated bad decision making. You don’t give second changes in these cases.

If Bush and Rummy were running a corporation, their asses would have been fired a long time ago. That is how the world works (the rest of the world outside of this adminstration).

Looking to the future means changing the approach and changing the leadership. It happens everyday in the corporate world, military and sports. It should have happened a long time ago in this adminstration.

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