Meredith Whitney Sees More Trouble for Housing

[Huckleberry]

Meredith Whitney, the famous banking industry analyst that foresaw the real estate and credit market meltdowns was interviewed today on CNBC. Her outlook on the housing market is not pretty, as the banks are in much worse shape than they (and the gov’t.) are leading the public to believe. She foresees the housing market tanking another 25% over the next two years.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232/?video=1248577487&play=1
http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2009/09/10/too-gloomy-whitney-predicts-25-home-price-plunge/

I challenge any RE bulls to rebut this analysis and thesis without embarrassing yourself now and/or in the future when her predictions once again come true…

Additionally and on a side note, Tim Geithner today stated that unemployment is going to stay high for quite a long time. This will add to the housing pain…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_Whitney
Whitney joined Oppenheimer in 1993 as a research associate covering the Oil and Gas Industry. In 1995, she joined the company’s Specialty Finance Group. In 1998, she left the company, eventually becoming the head of financial institution research at Wachovia. Whitney returned to Opppenheimer in 2004, where she covered banks and brokers. She resigned from Oppenheimer on February 19, 2009 to establish her own firm.[1].

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[quote=Huckleberry]

I challenge any RE bulls to rebut this analysis and thesis without embarrassing yourself now and/or in the future when her predictions once again come true…

[/quote]

I am not RE bull and obviously Meredith Whitney is smart and I respect her for the being right on the big call.

However I read the link and listened to CNBC interview and it was all about banks, their balance sheets and stock prices.

I only see following quote about house prices : “I think there is no doubt that home prices will go down dramatically from here, it’s just a question of when.”. There are absolutely no reasons listed in the article for that assertion.

How do you rebut an “analysis and thesis” which has not been made?

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[quote=Huckleberry]

I challenge any RE bulls to rebut this analysis and thesis without embarrassing yourself now and/or in the future when her predictions once again come true…

[/quote]

I am not RE bull and obviously Meredith Whitney is smart and I respect her for the being right on the big call.

However I read the link and listened to CNBC interview and it was all about banks, their balance sheets and stock prices.

I only see following quote about house prices : “I think there is no doubt that home prices will go down dramatically from here, it’s just a question of when.”. There are absolutely no reasons listed in the article for that assertion.

How do you rebut an “analysis and thesis” which has not been made?

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Huckleberry]

I challenge any RE bulls to rebut this analysis and thesis without embarrassing yourself now and/or in the future when her predictions once again come true…

[/quote]

I am not RE bull and obviously Meredith Whitney is smart and I respect her for the being right on the big call.

However I read the link and listened to CNBC interview and it was all about banks, their balance sheets and stock prices.

I only see following quote about house prices : “I think there is no doubt that home prices will go down dramatically from here, it’s just a question of when.”. There are absolutely no reasons listed in the article for that assertion.

How do you rebut an “analysis and thesis” which has not been made?

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Huckleberry]

I challenge any RE bulls to rebut this analysis and thesis without embarrassing yourself now and/or in the future when her predictions once again come true…

[/quote]

I am not RE bull and obviously Meredith Whitney is smart and I respect her for the being right on the big call.

However I read the link and listened to CNBC interview and it was all about banks, their balance sheets and stock prices.

I only see following quote about house prices : “I think there is no doubt that home prices will go down dramatically from here, it’s just a question of when.”. There are absolutely no reasons listed in the article for that assertion.

How do you rebut an “analysis and thesis” which has not been made?

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Huckleberry]

I challenge any RE bulls to rebut this analysis and thesis without embarrassing yourself now and/or in the future when her predictions once again come true…

[/quote]

I am not RE bull and obviously Meredith Whitney is smart and I respect her for the being right on the big call.

However I read the link and listened to CNBC interview and it was all about banks, their balance sheets and stock prices.

I only see following quote about house prices : “I think there is no doubt that home prices will go down dramatically from here, it’s just a question of when.”. There are absolutely no reasons listed in the article for that assertion.

How do you rebut an “analysis and thesis” which has not been made?

[SD Realtor]

I certainly do not classify myself as a bull in any way, shape or form. I simply post about the conditions as I see them.

I would characterize the rally we have been in now to be approximately 7 months old. In that time we have seen pricing increases in several regions in the county depending on the type of home and of course the location. We do continue to see high end declines as that is a no brainer. In no way do I disagree that we will see housing take another decline however I have been consistent in saying that we need a catalyst.

Over the past 3 years the catalyst that drove prices down was simple, prices were just to high. Now one may say that the next catalyst is and should be unemployment. However as unemployment has indeed continued to shoot higher, despite our governments claims that the recession is over, AND that the government stimulus has prevented another million jobs lost, the strong real estate market persists.

So one thing that we would all agree on is that effectively the banks are insolvent right? I mean seriously there is not any argument here. Similarly we will see many more banks fail. What hurts even more is that there is no more secondary market for the securitization of loans. Actually this hurts banks more then anything. The CAPACITY of money they have to lend is drastically reduced if they cannot move loans. Okay we agree on that. There is just a small matter of our government. If you can tell me with 100% confidence that the government will sit by and watch it all happen and do nothing, then well… okay yes the whole stack of dominoes will fall. Maybe that will happen… maybe it will not.

I posted my change of heart a few weeks ago. I don’t feel bullish about real estate. I feel like real estate is a carnival now. All glittering on the outside but you go behind the glitter and the inner workings look mighty f’d up. However it has been done the powers that be have been able to keep it afloat and then some.

Also yeah maybe it goes down 25% but in some areas it has already kicked back up over 10%.

*******

Again, my read is that the next major drop will be induced by interest rates. How that will manifest itself I am not sure. Maybe we get a slew of bank failures, then the govt or fed or treasury sinks a few more trillion into the system and china says screw you and the bond market tanks. Rates go up and boom, we get the market to tank bigtime. Will this happen in 3 months? 6 months? a year? I don’t know but it seems logical to me that it will happen. I don’t see the market up and running away and I think it may actually start to flatten out as there has been alot of sales that need to be digested. I am still kind of leaning to a guesstimate that things will stay in this twilite zone haze for another year or so.

[SD Realtor]

I certainly do not classify myself as a bull in any way, shape or form. I simply post about the conditions as I see them.

I would characterize the rally we have been in now to be approximately 7 months old. In that time we have seen pricing increases in several regions in the county depending on the type of home and of course the location. We do continue to see high end declines as that is a no brainer. In no way do I disagree that we will see housing take another decline however I have been consistent in saying that we need a catalyst.

Over the past 3 years the catalyst that drove prices down was simple, prices were just to high. Now one may say that the next catalyst is and should be unemployment. However as unemployment has indeed continued to shoot higher, despite our governments claims that the recession is over, AND that the government stimulus has prevented another million jobs lost, the strong real estate market persists.

So one thing that we would all agree on is that effectively the banks are insolvent right? I mean seriously there is not any argument here. Similarly we will see many more banks fail. What hurts even more is that there is no more secondary market for the securitization of loans. Actually this hurts banks more then anything. The CAPACITY of money they have to lend is drastically reduced if they cannot move loans. Okay we agree on that. There is just a small matter of our government. If you can tell me with 100% confidence that the government will sit by and watch it all happen and do nothing, then well… okay yes the whole stack of dominoes will fall. Maybe that will happen… maybe it will not.

I posted my change of heart a few weeks ago. I don’t feel bullish about real estate. I feel like real estate is a carnival now. All glittering on the outside but you go behind the glitter and the inner workings look mighty f’d up. However it has been done the powers that be have been able to keep it afloat and then some.

Also yeah maybe it goes down 25% but in some areas it has already kicked back up over 10%.

*******

Again, my read is that the next major drop will be induced by interest rates. How that will manifest itself I am not sure. Maybe we get a slew of bank failures, then the govt or fed or treasury sinks a few more trillion into the system and china says screw you and the bond market tanks. Rates go up and boom, we get the market to tank bigtime. Will this happen in 3 months? 6 months? a year? I don’t know but it seems logical to me that it will happen. I don’t see the market up and running away and I think it may actually start to flatten out as there has been alot of sales that need to be digested. I am still kind of leaning to a guesstimate that things will stay in this twilite zone haze for another year or so.

[SD Realtor]

I certainly do not classify myself as a bull in any way, shape or form. I simply post about the conditions as I see them.

I would characterize the rally we have been in now to be approximately 7 months old. In that time we have seen pricing increases in several regions in the county depending on the type of home and of course the location. We do continue to see high end declines as that is a no brainer. In no way do I disagree that we will see housing take another decline however I have been consistent in saying that we need a catalyst.

Over the past 3 years the catalyst that drove prices down was simple, prices were just to high. Now one may say that the next catalyst is and should be unemployment. However as unemployment has indeed continued to shoot higher, despite our governments claims that the recession is over, AND that the government stimulus has prevented another million jobs lost, the strong real estate market persists.

So one thing that we would all agree on is that effectively the banks are insolvent right? I mean seriously there is not any argument here. Similarly we will see many more banks fail. What hurts even more is that there is no more secondary market for the securitization of loans. Actually this hurts banks more then anything. The CAPACITY of money they have to lend is drastically reduced if they cannot move loans. Okay we agree on that. There is just a small matter of our government. If you can tell me with 100% confidence that the government will sit by and watch it all happen and do nothing, then well… okay yes the whole stack of dominoes will fall. Maybe that will happen… maybe it will not.

I posted my change of heart a few weeks ago. I don’t feel bullish about real estate. I feel like real estate is a carnival now. All glittering on the outside but you go behind the glitter and the inner workings look mighty f’d up. However it has been done the powers that be have been able to keep it afloat and then some.

Also yeah maybe it goes down 25% but in some areas it has already kicked back up over 10%.

*******

Again, my read is that the next major drop will be induced by interest rates. How that will manifest itself I am not sure. Maybe we get a slew of bank failures, then the govt or fed or treasury sinks a few more trillion into the system and china says screw you and the bond market tanks. Rates go up and boom, we get the market to tank bigtime. Will this happen in 3 months? 6 months? a year? I don’t know but it seems logical to me that it will happen. I don’t see the market up and running away and I think it may actually start to flatten out as there has been alot of sales that need to be digested. I am still kind of leaning to a guesstimate that things will stay in this twilite zone haze for another year or so.

[SD Realtor]

I certainly do not classify myself as a bull in any way, shape or form. I simply post about the conditions as I see them.

I would characterize the rally we have been in now to be approximately 7 months old. In that time we have seen pricing increases in several regions in the county depending on the type of home and of course the location. We do continue to see high end declines as that is a no brainer. In no way do I disagree that we will see housing take another decline however I have been consistent in saying that we need a catalyst.

Over the past 3 years the catalyst that drove prices down was simple, prices were just to high. Now one may say that the next catalyst is and should be unemployment. However as unemployment has indeed continued to shoot higher, despite our governments claims that the recession is over, AND that the government stimulus has prevented another million jobs lost, the strong real estate market persists.

So one thing that we would all agree on is that effectively the banks are insolvent right? I mean seriously there is not any argument here. Similarly we will see many more banks fail. What hurts even more is that there is no more secondary market for the securitization of loans. Actually this hurts banks more then anything. The CAPACITY of money they have to lend is drastically reduced if they cannot move loans. Okay we agree on that. There is just a small matter of our government. If you can tell me with 100% confidence that the government will sit by and watch it all happen and do nothing, then well… okay yes the whole stack of dominoes will fall. Maybe that will happen… maybe it will not.

I posted my change of heart a few weeks ago. I don’t feel bullish about real estate. I feel like real estate is a carnival now. All glittering on the outside but you go behind the glitter and the inner workings look mighty f’d up. However it has been done the powers that be have been able to keep it afloat and then some.

Also yeah maybe it goes down 25% but in some areas it has already kicked back up over 10%.

*******

Again, my read is that the next major drop will be induced by interest rates. How that will manifest itself I am not sure. Maybe we get a slew of bank failures, then the govt or fed or treasury sinks a few more trillion into the system and china says screw you and the bond market tanks. Rates go up and boom, we get the market to tank bigtime. Will this happen in 3 months? 6 months? a year? I don’t know but it seems logical to me that it will happen. I don’t see the market up and running away and I think it may actually start to flatten out as there has been alot of sales that need to be digested. I am still kind of leaning to a guesstimate that things will stay in this twilite zone haze for another year or so.

[SD Realtor]

I certainly do not classify myself as a bull in any way, shape or form. I simply post about the conditions as I see them.

I would characterize the rally we have been in now to be approximately 7 months old. In that time we have seen pricing increases in several regions in the county depending on the type of home and of course the location. We do continue to see high end declines as that is a no brainer. In no way do I disagree that we will see housing take another decline however I have been consistent in saying that we need a catalyst.

Over the past 3 years the catalyst that drove prices down was simple, prices were just to high. Now one may say that the next catalyst is and should be unemployment. However as unemployment has indeed continued to shoot higher, despite our governments claims that the recession is over, AND that the government stimulus has prevented another million jobs lost, the strong real estate market persists.

So one thing that we would all agree on is that effectively the banks are insolvent right? I mean seriously there is not any argument here. Similarly we will see many more banks fail. What hurts even more is that there is no more secondary market for the securitization of loans. Actually this hurts banks more then anything. The CAPACITY of money they have to lend is drastically reduced if they cannot move loans. Okay we agree on that. There is just a small matter of our government. If you can tell me with 100% confidence that the government will sit by and watch it all happen and do nothing, then well… okay yes the whole stack of dominoes will fall. Maybe that will happen… maybe it will not.

I posted my change of heart a few weeks ago. I don’t feel bullish about real estate. I feel like real estate is a carnival now. All glittering on the outside but you go behind the glitter and the inner workings look mighty f’d up. However it has been done the powers that be have been able to keep it afloat and then some.

Also yeah maybe it goes down 25% but in some areas it has already kicked back up over 10%.

*******

Again, my read is that the next major drop will be induced by interest rates. How that will manifest itself I am not sure. Maybe we get a slew of bank failures, then the govt or fed or treasury sinks a few more trillion into the system and china says screw you and the bond market tanks. Rates go up and boom, we get the market to tank bigtime. Will this happen in 3 months? 6 months? a year? I don’t know but it seems logical to me that it will happen. I don’t see the market up and running away and I think it may actually start to flatten out as there has been alot of sales that need to be digested. I am still kind of leaning to a guesstimate that things will stay in this twilite zone haze for another year or so.

[Huckleberry]

Good post SDR.

[Huckleberry]

Good post SDR.

[Huckleberry]

Good post SDR.

[Huckleberry]

Good post SDR.

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