John Legal vs Juan Illegal

[Anonymous]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]Of course, undocumented immigration does push down wages for legal residents. [/quote]

I know that seems to be conventional wisdom. But is it true? Any research to support the claim? I’ve seen plenty of research that indicates it’s not accurate.[/quote]

Are you serious? there is absolutely no logical argument that can be made for this not to be the case. Do your seriously need to see “research” to prove the theory of supply and demand?

[SK in CV]

[quote=deadzone][quote=SK in CV][quote=FlyerInHi]Of course, undocumented immigration does push down wages for legal residents. [/quote]

I know that seems to be conventional wisdom. But is it true? Any research to support the claim? I’ve seen plenty of research that indicates it’s not accurate.[/quote]

Are you serious? there is absolutely no logical argument that can be made for this not to be the case. Do your seriously need to see “research” to prove the theory of supply and demand?[/quote]

I prefer research to gut feelings. Gut feelings are always subject to bias.

From nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/pubs/Immigration-and-the-Labour-Market.pdf

[T]he impact of immigration [on a nation’s economy] remains small, for several reasons. Immigrants are not competitive in many types of jobs, and hence are not direct substitutes for natives. Local employers increase demand for low-skilled labor in areas that receive low-skilled immigrant inflows. Immigrants contribute to demand for goods and services that they consume, in turn increasing the demand for labor. And immigrants contribute to labor market efficiency and long-term economic growth.

From David Griswold, economist from Center for Trade Policy Studies at the libertarian Cato Institute:

The addition of low-skilled immigrants expands the size of the overall economy, creating higher-wage openings for managers, craftsmen, accountants, and the like. The net result is a greater financial reward and relatively more opportunities for those Americans who finish high school.

and from Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute:

Immigration and Wages: Methodological advancements confirm modest gains for native workers

In the ongoing debate on immigration, there is broad agreement among academic economists that it has a small but positive impact on the wages of native-born workers overall: although new immigrant workers add to the labor supply, they also consume goods and services, which creates more jobs .

and from the same source:

A key result from this work is that the estimated effect of immigration from 1994 to 2007 was to raise the wages of U.S.-born workers, relative to foreign-born workers, by 0.4% (or $3.68 per week), and to lower the wages of foreign-born workers, relative to U.S.-born workers, by 4.6% (or $33.11 per week).

No, I don’t need to see research on the theory of supply and demand. That wasn’t the question. The question was whether undocumented aliens push down wages. And I have seen research on that, and the conclusion is that it doesn’t. Do you have actual research on the referenced subject that says otherwise?

[Anonymous]

These studies are clearly biased in order to promote immigration. But if you want to believe this garbage, then go ahead. If this is true, then we should promote open borders and unlimited immigration since it will improve all of our wages.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=deadzone]These studies are clearly biased in order to promote immigration. But if you want to believe this garbage, then go ahead. If this is true, then we should promote open borders and unlimited immigration since it will improve all of our wages.[/quote]LOL … we already have this, and all of CA’s mayors, county boards of supervisors and all their agencies on up to the governor well know this fact, as well the superintendents of CA public school districts, heads of social service agencies, the US Homeland Security Dept and all of their respective agencies, the US District Courts in CA and their judiciary, the state courts and their judiciary, The head of the CA Dept of Corrections (CDC), etc, etc. CA’s county counsels repeatedly sue the state for operating funds for “unfunded mandates” to service illegal aliens and in turn, the CA AG’s office repeatedly sues the Federal Gubment for same.

And on and on and on it goes. It’s been like this since the mid-eighties and if someone doesn’t get into the highest office in the land to change things around, it will continue to be.

Alas, the truth is that these bureaucrats’ hands are tied … yes even the border patrol. They can do nothing about the sieve of people coming over the border every day. Border Patrol agents in AZ aren’t even allowed to tell their superiors that the groups of people coming over are larger than 20 people. They’re not allowed to apprehend and deport that many people at once, even though they have the manpower and resources to do so. See video in the following link:

http://www.independentsentinel.com/dhs-released-hundreds-of-thousands-of-convicted-criminal-aliens-into-the-u-s/

Now, we have all these thugs making asses of themselves attacking people, kicking in vehicles (incl police vehicles), starting fires and waving MX flags outside of Trump rallies up and down the state on national TV and everyone else in the country with a TV set knows it, too. Sweet! Maybe we won’t have anymore domestic in-migration for awhile until CA’s problems can be addressed by the PTB in Washington DC. It can’t come soon enough.

[Anonymous]

Although it is obvious the government is doing next to nothing to enforce immigration laws, it is certainly not an official policy to allow unlimited number of foreign workers. Although when the liberals talk about “immigration reform” that is what they really want.

But again, according to these brilliant studies, the presence of the illegal workers is raising my wages too. Unfortunately, like most middle class professionals, my “real” wages are not going up. In fact the amount taken out of my pay check for health care is creeping up every year. Not going to blame that entirely on the illegals but certainly they are contributing to that.

[SK in CV]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=deadzone]These studies are clearly biased in order to promote immigration. But if you want to believe this garbage, then go ahead. If this is true, then we should promote open borders and unlimited immigration since it will improve all of our wages.[/quote]LOL … we already have this, and all of CA’s mayors, county boards of supervisors and all their agencies on up to the governor well know this fact, as well the superintendents of CA public school districts, heads of social service agencies, the US Homeland Security Dept and all of their respective agencies, the US District Courts in CA and their judiciary, the state courts and their judiciary, The head of the CA Dept of Corrections (CDC), etc, etc. CA’s county counsels repeatedly sue the state for operating funds for “unfunded mandates” to service illegal aliens and in turn, the CA AG’s office repeatedly sues the Federal Gubment for same.

And on and on and on it goes. It’s been like this since the mid-eighties and if someone doesn’t get into the highest office in the land to change things around, it will continue to be.

Alas, the truth is that these bureaucrats’ hands are tied … yes even the border patrol. They can do nothing about the sieve of people coming over the border every day. Border Patrol agents in AZ aren’t even allowed to tell their superiors that the groups of people coming over are larger than 20 people. They’re not allowed to apprehend and deport that many people at once, even though they have the manpower and resources to do so. See video in the following link:

http://www.independentsentinel.com/dhs-released-hundreds-of-thousands-of-convicted-criminal-aliens-into-the-u-s/

Now, we have all these thugs making asses of themselves attacking people, kicking in vehicles (incl police vehicles), starting fires and waving MX flags outside of Trump rallies up and down the state on national TV and everyone else in the country with a TV set knows it, too. Sweet! Maybe we won’t have anymore domestic in-migration for awhile until CA’s problems can be addressed by the PTB in Washington DC. It can’t come soon enough.[/quote]

You know none of this is the least bit responsive to the post that originated this piece of the thread, right?

And you know there hasn’t been any net migration of undocumented aliens in around 6 years right? As many are leaving as arriving.

We’ve seen your rants about brown people enough times now. There isn’t any reason for you to post them again and again, particularly when they aren’t the least bit relevant to the discussion.

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