Ot. I don’t feel thankful

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I would like to join a church, but just for the sociability of it.

I have trouble not wincing when I hear the word “jesus” tho. makes me feel pressured, or like some scam is gonna go down.[/quote]

The urban architecture in USA and the reliance on the car isolate people.
It’s sad that people join churches just for the social interaction.

No wonder Americans consume 95% of the world psychological drugs and increasingly suffer substance and food abuse.

I just met a lady would bought and remodeled a condo for her wheel chair bound brother. He lives alone, has no friends and only goes to church.

Wincing is exactly how I react when I hear the word Jesus. Just like you described.

[scaredyclassic]

I liked the GOOD PLACE.

if i joined a church, id probably move about 5% of the congregation toward atheism inadvertently

[scaredyclassic]

Church of the Woods

i would 100% for sure join this church but they’re in nh

[scaredyclassic]

I dont believe in the afterlife, but I believe in the afterparty. and also after birth.

and the aftermath

I believe in after the gold rush in the afternoon delight..

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]
if i joined a church, id probably move about 5% of the congregation toward atheism inadvertently[/quote]

I would love to see that happen in Temecula. If you don’t get murdered first.

[njtosd]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

I have trouble not wincing when I hear the word “jesus” tho. makes me feel pressured, or like some scam is gonna go down.[/quote]

How do you feel about Joshua – which is pretty much equivalent to Jesus? If that isn’t a problem you’re probably reacting to the evangelicals not the word. I feel the same way about aggressive vegans and gluten-free types and anti vaxxers. I think excessively clean eaters are today’s Puritans – complete with the smug feeling of superiority.

I love this quote from CS Lewis: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

There are a lot of wince-y words out there. Usually, though, it’s not the word(s) but the people using them.

[scaredyclassic]

no. its the word. it gives me the Willies

my parents deeply distrusted all Christians. they assumed everyone was antisemitic.

back in the old days they were often correct.

times changed. now people just hate Arabs.

but I still bristle at Jesus, remnant of my early programming that the Christians want us gone…over the long arc of Jewish history, it was a good bet to assume Christians wanted you dead. I’ll never be deprogrammed, its too late. i could never say the word jesus without choking on it

can’t trust em…I guess when I hear the word jesus, i hear in the subtext, trained from birth…” let’s go beat the shit out of some jews”.

brrrr. Jesus.

[scaredyclassic]

I kinda like prosperity gospel tho, trumps religion. it’s a good troll job on Jesus. I could probly fit in there. Jesus just wants me to make big money.

kind like believing in being rewarded for believing in heaven, except predeath payout…

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]
if i joined a church, id probably move about 5% of the congregation toward atheism inadvertently[/quote]

I would love to see that happen in Temecula. If you don’t get murdered first.[/quote]

no, they’d just talk with me, and get depressed, and laugh, and next thing you know, they’d be like, huh, this religion shit is kinda goofy

[njtosd]

[quote=scaredyclassic]no. its the word. it gives me the Willies

my parents deeply distrusted all Christians. they assumed everyone was antisemitic.

back in the old days they were often correct.

times changed. now people just hate Arabs.

but I still bristle at Jesus, remnant of my early programming that the Christians want us gone…over the long arc of Jewish history, it was a good bet to assume Christians wanted you dead. I’ll never be deprogrammed, its too late. i could never say the word jesus without choking on it

can’t trust em…I guess when I hear the word jesus, i hear in the subtext, trained from birth…” let’s go beat the shit out of some jews”.

brrrr. Jesus.[/quote]

Hmm. Earlier you mentioned feeling pressured and/or fearing a scam. This sounds different.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I kinda like prosperity gospel tho, trumps religion. it’s a good troll job on Jesus. I could probly fit in there. Jesus just wants me to make big money.

kind like believing in being rewarded for believing in heaven, except predeath payout…[/quote]

I like the prosperity gospel too. It’s a game easy to win if you’re a little smart and money focused.
American Christians really want socialism, at least for themselves; but they can’t bring themselves to admit it since they already hitched their wagon to Capitalism. It’s a recent 20th century phenomenon and a huge mistake because non-Christians do capitalism much better.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]I kinda like prosperity gospel tho, trumps religion. it’s a good troll job on Jesus. I could probly fit in there. Jesus just wants me to make big money.

kind like believing in being rewarded for believing in heaven, except predeath payout…[/quote]

I like the prosperity gospel too. It’s a game easy to win if you’re a little smart and money focused.
American Christians really want socialism, at least for themselves; but they can’t bring themselves to admit it since they already hitched their wagon to Capitalism. It’s a recent 20th century phenomenon and a huge mistake because non-Christians do capitalism much better.[/quote]

if G-d likes the way I’m acting, I’ll know, cuz I’ll get paid.

I guess G- d at least doesn’t hate me.

also the stockmar ket is a direct meter of His relative like and dislike of current events in the usa.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]no. its the word. it gives me the Willies

my parents deeply distrusted all Christians. they assumed everyone was antisemitic.

back in the old days they were often correct.

times changed. now people just hate Arabs.

but I still bristle at Jesus, remnant of my early programming that the Christians want us gone…over the long arc of Jewish history, it was a good bet to assume Christians wanted you dead. I’ll never be deprogrammed, its too late. i could never say the word jesus without choking on it

can’t trust em…I guess when I hear the word jesus, i hear in the subtext, trained from birth…” let’s go beat the shit out of some jews”.

brrrr. Jesus.[/quote]

Hmm. Earlier you mentioned feeling pressured and/or fearing a scam. This sounds different.[/quote]

different? or maybe deeper.

church in the usa seems scammy, either fund or soul raising. always sense you’re gonna get hit up for money or pressured to get dunked in water once church is mentioned.

I appreciate Catholic Church when I go, at least they try to shame you directly in front of peers by putting the basket right in your face so you cannot ignore the shakedown

or maybe the scam is the big guy himself, a nutty jewish ex construction worker entrepreneur who failed to profit but built from scratch a hugely prophetable longterm franchise type opportunity for smooth talking preachers to talk about his Good News [tm] for centuries

the pressure is i guess the feeling you get from christians,that it would be so awesome if i just accepted JC as my personal lordnsavior. they’d get a win by collecting a fresh soul, id win by getting to spend eternity not in hell, and presumably id donate some scratch to the cause.

my mom would have to kill self tho.

so yeah, I get a nervous feeling around the whole idea of jesus, but maybe that’s just a,cover for what’s going on deeper in the brain. a surface reaction to a deeper hardwired impulse.

that’s the superficial stuff.

deeper, i instinctively feel people who like Jesus’ ancestors wouldve had fun killing my ancestors.

submit and convert or die, has, historically, often been the deal. I don’t blame Christians, obviously all humans,say one thing and do another. nobody really believed the love thy neighbor crap wasn’t riddled with enough loopholes to swallow the rule

I feel safe now, for the moment, but old fears linger in the DNA

those Christians are gonna kill us! RUN!!!
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[FlyerInHi]

[quote=njtosd]
I feel the same way about aggressive vegans and gluten-free types and anti vaxxers. I think excessively clean eaters are today’s Puritans – complete with the smug feeling of superiority.
[/quote]

I am a clean eater and yes, I am superior because I apply knowledge to my own life. What’s wrong with that?

As long as one is consistent and doesn’t contradict himself, I’m ok with whatever belief.

Me, I believe in what works.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

submit and convert or die, has, historically, often been the deal. I don’t blame Christians, obviously all humans,say one thing and do another. nobody really believed the love thy neighbor crap wasn’t riddled with enough loopholes to swallow the rule

I feel safe now, for the moment, but old fears linger in the DNA

those Christians are gonna kill us! RUN!!!
.[/quote]

I’m not a lawyer but isn’t love thy neighbor part of the “constitution” for Christianity? They need to abide by it or ammend the constitution.

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