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August 19, 2006 at 7:21 AM #32385August 19, 2006 at 11:43 AM #32403
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Participantpowayseller- thanks for the clarification. But you didn’t answer my other question – do you think the Holocaust was/is a myth?
PS: How is the website development research going?
August 20, 2006 at 3:05 AM #32464bgates
ParticipantYou’re ok, PS. If your earlier comments were based on simple lack of interest in politics, then I came down too hard on you, and I apologize.
At the same time, I would urge you to learn more about politics. Talking to you about this feels like talking to my dad about real estate; his mortgage is paid off, and he lives in a sleepy PA town that’s fairly non-bubbly, so he thinks housing is someone else’s problem. But if housing plays out the way you and I are afraid it might, it will be everybody’s problem. Same with the politics of the middle east. There’s a quote attributed to Trotsky: “You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.”
I know you don’t like Bush, and there are things about him that bother me (my list is different than yours 🙂 ), but I am pretty sure he’s not interested in starting a nuclear war. The evidence is he’s been in control of the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world for 6 years, and hasn’t touched it. The figurehead of Iran’s govt, on the other hand, may be nuts. Did you read the stuff about the green aura he said came out of his head when he spoke to the UN? That’s worrisome. Iran is supposed to respond to the West regarding their nuclear program by Aug 22. Germany, England, and France had asked for a reply on June 29, but Iran wanted the extra time. That’s a little worrisome. What’s more worrisome is that the night of Aug 21 matches an important date on the Shia calendar. It’s when “Prophet Mohammed (saas) ascended to heaven from the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem on a Bourak (Half animal, half man), while a great light lit-up the night sky”. The linkage between that phrase and the Iranian nuclear program is what’s been making me post at 3am the past few days.
Hopefully this is coincidence and nothing much will happen on the 22nd. Otherwise, we’re going to have to make some very big decisions as a country this week.
August 20, 2006 at 10:52 AM #32483powayseller
ParticipantThe Holocaust happened. My mother was a child in Germany in WW II, and her family had a bunker behind the house. I played in it as a child. She remembers eating dandelion soup and hunkering down in the bunker while planes bombed overhead. For a few years, American soldiers took over their house and trashed it. My grandfather hated Hitler, but what could he do?
August 20, 2006 at 3:18 PM #32503ParticipantDid I speak too soon?
Answering a question about the Holocaust with “Yes it happened, Americans bombed my mother’s neighborhood and trashed her house” is an exceptionally poor way to allay suspicions of anti-Semitism.August 20, 2006 at 9:34 PM #32526North County Jim
ParticipantPS,
To be honest, I couldn’t get through the interview. Up to the point where I’d had enough, there were no tough questions IMO. I’ve seen the 60 Minutes crew a lot tougher on miscreants who may have hosed someone’s Aunt Mabel for a few thousand bucks.
August 20, 2006 at 11:06 PM #32528ParticipantSlow-pitch softball, minimum 6′ arc. Watered down beer in the parking lot for the winners.
August 21, 2006 at 12:00 AM #32531SD Realtor
Participantbgates you stated it well… you may not be interested in war but it is interested in you.
I to do not think our president is that bright, and I certainly do not agree with many of his policies. I also fear for the well being of our country as I believe the illegal immigration issue has seriously and will continue to seriously erode our infrastructure.
I really do believe that there are many people who want to see our country in ruins, and who do want to see Isreal wiped off the map of this planet. These are the same people who cheered when our nation was attacked on September 11th.
I agree with PS that more people die in the name of religion then for any other reason, however in my opinion it is our country AND ONLY OUR COUNTRY that will continue to stand up for the religous freedom that not only we enjoy, but others enjoy all over the world.
Again, I do not agree with people killed in Lebanon, or in Gaza, I have been to Isreal and visited both places. Yet I can not or will never ever sympathize with groups of people who celebrate our pain from September 11th, or deny the Holocaust, or want to wipe a race off of the map.
Even if it does mean I have to support an idiot (and yes I did vote for him) like Bush.
I also turned off the 60 minutes interview.
Why interview someone if you are going to kiss thier *ss.
August 21, 2006 at 1:00 AM #32535Participantbgates you stated it well… you may not be interested in war but it is interested in you.
I to do not think our president is that bright, and I certainly do not agree with many of his policies. I also fear for the well being of our country as I believe the illegal immigration issue has seriously and will continue to seriously erode our infrastructure.
I really do believe that there are many people who want to see our country in ruins, and who do want to see Isreal wiped off the map of this planet. These are the same people who cheered when our nation was attacked on September 11th.
I agree with PS that more people die in the name of religion then for any other reason, however in my opinion it is our country AND ONLY OUR COUNTRY that will continue to stand up for the religous freedom that not only we enjoy, but others enjoy all over the world.
Again, I do not agree with people killed in Lebanon, or in Gaza, I have been to Isreal and visited both places. Yet I can not or will never ever sympathize with groups of people who celebrate our pain from September 11th, or deny the Holocaust, or want to wipe a race off of the map.
Even if it does mean I have to support an idiot (and yes I did vote for him) like Bush.
I also turned off the 60 minutes interview.
Why interview someone if you are going to kiss thier *ss.
August 21, 2006 at 12:48 PM #32571PerryChase
ParticipantA good journalist asks tough questions but doesn’t trap his guest. Otherwise, he won’t be making many interviews in the future.
Why do you think that Cheney and Bush only go on Fox?
August 22, 2006 at 9:12 AM #32636ParticipantPC,
If I recall, the President did a one-on-one with Russert on Meet the Press for the entire hour.
It’s not uncommon for politicians of both parties to seek out “friendlies” in the press. While Cheney would seek out Brit Hume to defuse his hunting incident, Democrats would be more likely to seek out CNN, the NYT or CBS.
BTW, does Mike Wallace need to worry about future interview prospects?
August 22, 2006 at 9:30 AM #32640smfj
Participantbgates, you’re right. My argument was flawed. Let’s try this:
I believe that Iraq is a catastrophe, not because the media told me so, but because of first hand stories I’ve heard from people I know who’ve been there, who are there, and who will be there again. This does disprove your argument that everyone on this board thinks Iraq is a catastrophe because of media coverage. For the record, I do believe that media coverage of the war is biased, whether it be towards the pro- or anti-war side (depending on the source).
That being said, your original argument assumed that there was a cause and effect relationship between trust of the media and anti-war sentiment. I respect your opinion, but your argument is flawed.
June 19, 2007 at 2:51 PM #60520ParticipantSlate.com article. I’m glad the MSM is beginning to see the light.
moneybox: Commentary about business and finance.
http://www.slate.com/id/2168417/nav/tap3/
The Twin DebaclesHow the housing collapse is like the Iraq war.
By Daniel Gross
Posted Friday, June 15, 2007, at 5:48 PM ETWhat do Iraq and the U.S. housing market have in common? At first blush, not much. Iraq, which has taken the lives of thousands and ruined America’s reputation abroad, is far more disastrous than the housing collapse, which has been merely financially devastating.
Nonetheless, the twin debacles, which are defining the foreign policy and domestic economy of the second Bush term, have significant similarities, especially in the way that their public- and private-sector architects and promoters have behaved.
June 19, 2007 at 2:51 PM #60554ParticipantSlate.com article. I’m glad the MSM is beginning to see the light.
moneybox: Commentary about business and finance.
http://www.slate.com/id/2168417/nav/tap3/
The Twin DebaclesHow the housing collapse is like the Iraq war.
By Daniel Gross
Posted Friday, June 15, 2007, at 5:48 PM ETWhat do Iraq and the U.S. housing market have in common? At first blush, not much. Iraq, which has taken the lives of thousands and ruined America’s reputation abroad, is far more disastrous than the housing collapse, which has been merely financially devastating.
Nonetheless, the twin debacles, which are defining the foreign policy and domestic economy of the second Bush term, have significant similarities, especially in the way that their public- and private-sector architects and promoters have behaved.
June 19, 2007 at 3:32 PM #605344runner
ParticipantHow could Iraq be anything other than a catastrophe? Americans agreed to spill American blood to stop someone in the “Axis of Evil” from developing weapons of mass destruction. It threatened our safety.
Whether the weapons of mass destruction line was outright fraud or just plain incompetent, two thirds of the Axis of Evil has taken the opportunity presented by our invasion of Iraq to develop nuclear weapons.
Even if you think that nation building in Iraq is all well and good, it has cost us our security, not to mention our blood.
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