inflation inflation everywhere!

[an]

You nailed it Coronita. Different strokes for different folks. As long as you’re a match with the company that employ you, then you stay. If you’re not, some would still stay but complain while I rather leave and find a company that’s more in line w/ me.

[scaredyclassic]

I recall bias against Asian lawyers esp in the 90s.

No. 1 student in my law school class was a former computer programmer. Not all lawyers would be good coders, I expect. I wonder if I could do it.

Is there an aptitude test out there to see if I’m gifted? Maybe I missed my calling. I doubt it tho…also, I generally hate any problem regarding my computer properly operating.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I recall bias against Asian lawyers esp in the 90s.

No. 1 student in my law school class was a former computer programmer. Not all lawyers would be good coders, I expect. I wonder if I could do it.

Is there an aptitude test out there to see if I’m gifted? Maybe I missed my calling. I doubt it tho…also, I generally hate any problem regarding my computer properly operating.[/quote]

It happened a lot in investment banking and management consulting back in the 90ies because I was very familiar with the interview processes of those.

Less so if you were asian female, more so if you were asian male.

The only reason why it recently has changed a bit in banking (and just a bit) is because China has money and banks now need to kiss China’s ass in order to win business there. And so it’s great for Chinese from China, but doesn’t really change the situation for ABC’s here in the U.S.

Actually, that’s also one of the hypocrisies of college admissions. They recruit a lot of overseas asians who will pay full tuition for schools. But then use those overseas admissions to screw over asian americans because there’s over too many asians in those school, so they’ll need to cut down on the local ones that pay the reduced state resident tuition fees…

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Coronita][quote=scaredyclassic]I recall bias against Asian lawyers esp in the 90s.

No. 1 student in my law school class was a former computer programmer. Not all lawyers would be good coders, I expect. I wonder if I could do it.

Is there an aptitude test out there to see if I’m gifted? Maybe I missed my calling. I doubt it tho…also, I generally hate any problem regarding my computer properly operating.[/quote]

It happened a lot in investment banking and management consulting back in the 90ies because I was very familiar with the interview processes of those.

Less so if you were asian female, more so if you were asian male.

The only reason why it recently has changed a bit in banking (and just a bit) is because China has money and banks now need to kiss China’s ass in order to win business there. And so it’s great for Chinese from China, but doesn’t really change the situation for ABC’s here in the U.S.

Actually, that’s also one of the hypocrisies of college admissions. They recruit a lot of overseas asians who will pay full tuition for schools. But then use those overseas admissions to screw over asian americans because there’s over too many asians in those school, so they’ll need to cut down on the local ones that pay the reduced state resident tuition fees…[/quote]

According to a yale study, there are over 50,000 Asian American lawyers today, compared to 10,000 in 1990. Asian Americans comprise almost 5 percent of lawyers in America and roughly 7 percent of law school enrollment.Jul 18, 2017
. I do recall thinking, why so few Asians at my law school in 92.

[Coronita]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Coronita][quote=scaredyclassic]I recall bias against Asian lawyers esp in the 90s.

No. 1 student in my law school class was a former computer programmer. Not all lawyers would be good coders, I expect. I wonder if I could do it.

Is there an aptitude test out there to see if I’m gifted? Maybe I missed my calling. I doubt it tho…also, I generally hate any problem regarding my computer properly operating.[/quote]

It happened a lot in investment banking and management consulting back in the 90ies because I was very familiar with the interview processes of those.

Less so if you were asian female, more so if you were asian male.

The only reason why it recently has changed a bit in banking (and just a bit) is because China has money and banks now need to kiss China’s ass in order to win business there. And so it’s great for Chinese from China, but doesn’t really change the situation for ABC’s here in the U.S.

Actually, that’s also one of the hypocrisies of college admissions. They recruit a lot of overseas asians who will pay full tuition for schools. But then use those overseas admissions to screw over asian americans because there’s over too many asians in those school, so they’ll need to cut down on the local ones that pay the reduced state resident tuition fees…[/quote]

According to a yale study, there are over 50,000 Asian American lawyers today, compared to 10,000 in 1990. Asian Americans comprise almost 5 percent of lawyers in America and roughly 7 percent of law school enrollment.Jul 18, 2017
. I do recall thinking, why so few Asians at my law school in 92.[/quote]

well at least it seems like in law these days it more consistent with the population…

[scaredyclassic]

Asian comedians are key.

Ronnie chieng. Hilarious.

Minority groups needs comedians for mainstream acceptance. Jews set the Standard

[Coronita]

American film industry already makes enough jokes about asian men and do a pretty good job objectifying asian women to perpetrate a persistent stigma of “yellow fever”….Case in point… Just about every americanized version of a Asian ish themed old story always casts a traditional asian male role with a white guy but keeps the asian female…go figure….which is precisely why dont like and respect the american film industry and people who are part of it no matter how much money is in involved in the american film industry…unless of course its a hostile takeover of an american film company by an far east asia conglomerate…which then there is possible hope of changing this otherwise persistent problematic image of asians in american film industry….because slthough majority of smerocan film industry is in liberal Hollywood. American film industry is inheritently racist, misogynist, and a dirty industry ..less respectful imho than the porn industry which at least is honest about what they do. Go chinese bootlegging of American films… Fvck Hollywood.

so.. Id rather be part of a more positive movement for which contributes to asian americans being taken more seriously. maybe one day , after all these asian hate crimes, more asian americans will finally get it , what some of us have known and been saying all along …so we dont get kicked around moving further (equally both from the left and the right.)

https://www.protocol.com/asian-americans-model-minority

[svelte]

I don’t think I’ve personally heard anyone say derogatory things about Asians or Jews.

I’ve heard derogatory comments about women, blacks, gays, middle eastern people, and people from India. I guess people from India are now classified as Asian, but I didn’t learn that fact until about 5 years ago – and I’ve known many, many people from India who never referred to themselves as Asian ever in our conversations! I’ve heard no derogatory comments about Japanese, Chinese, Filipino, Vietnamese, or Korean.

I can’t really even recall derogatory comments about any of the above in the last 20 years, with the exception of women. That seems to be the last category that is getting relief.

Maybe I surround myself with folks who don’t think in terms of stereotypes as much, I don’t know.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Coronita]American film industry already makes enough jokes about asian men and do a pretty good job objectifying asian women to perpetrate a persistent stigma of “yellow fever”….Case in point… Just about every americanized version of a Asian ish themed old story always casts a traditional asian male role with a white guy but keeps the asian female…go figure….which is precisely why dont like and respect the american film industry and people who are part of it no matter how much money is in involved in the american film industry…unless of course its a hostile takeover of an american film company by an far east asia conglomerate…which then there is possible hope of changing this otherwise persistent problematic image of asians in american film industry….because slthough majority of smerocan film industry is in liberal Hollywood. American film industry is inheritently racist, misogynist, and a dirty industry ..less respectful imho than the porn industry which at least is honest about what they do. Go chinese bootlegging of American films… Fvck Hollywood.

so.. Id rather be part of a more positive movement for which contributes to asian americans being taken more seriously. maybe one day , after all these asian hate crimes, more asian americans will finally get it , what some of us have known and been saying all along …so we dont get kicked around moving further (equally both from the left and the right.)

https://www.protocol.com/asian-americans-model-minority%5B/quote%5D

I’m with you on the Hollywood portrayal of Asians…but when that starts to change, when Asians get laughs controlling the narrative, it’s good for all Asians. I think Ronnie chieng could be the start. Or maybe it was Ken jeong. Or Aziz Ansari …tho he’s Indian.

Have u seen chiengs Netflix special. It’s pretty great.

[Coronita]

I think I’m going to try a social experiment. I’m going to resurrect one of my old LinkedIn profiles that has several hundred of connections…. except it’s with a name that doesn’t use an asian last name but more generic american last name…

I’ll keep all my other work experience and education the same…I’m curious how bad the unconscious bias is for C-level positions ,even when it comes to resume screening.

If I get past the phone screen and need to meet virtually over Zoom, I’ll makeup some excuse right before the interview that my video isn’t working, so they’ll never know I’m asian…

I’m curious how far I can get…And it would be pretty funny if I get an offer this way..

….And when I show up for my first day at work…Surprise! I’m Asian… ha ha ha.

Talk show host and social media worthy material…

[Anonymous]

Out of curiosity, what specific job positions do you think you are qualified for, and actually want(ed), that you feel you have been held back from due to your race?

You keep bringing up how Asians are underrepresented in certain management/executive level positions. But is that really statistically true given the relative population of Asians in the US work force?

I would argue that for someone starting out in engineering or technology, the white male is the person with with the most uphill climb. The perception in society is that Asians are smarter so given that both white and asian males are the most plentiful, asians may have the advantage. On the flip side, black female is the opposite extreme. Could basically pick any job she wanted. Followed by black male and female of any color for the easiest track in getting a job.

[The-Shoveler]

While touring china I saw quite a few good Chinese comedies and romantic comedies (with English subtitles).

They were really good and very funny.

[Coronita]

[quote=deadzone]Out of curiosity, what specific job positions do you think you are qualified for, and actually want(ed), that you feel you have been held back from due to your race?

You keep bringing up how Asians are underrepresented in certain management/executive level positions. But is that really statistically true given the relative population of Asians in the US work force?

I would argue that for someone starting out in engineering or technology, the white male is the person with with the most uphill climb. The perception in society is that Asians are smarter so given that both white and asian males are the most plentiful, asians may have the advantage. On the flip side, black female is the opposite extreme. Could basically pick any job she wanted. Followed by black male and female of any color for the easiest track in getting a job.[/quote]

Leadership promotions that went to people far less technically qualified people who couldn’t deliver a project on time if their life depended on it, but played a really good game of politics and football to the point when I was out on medical leave, orchestrated a political game that moved my entire team and project out of my control and put it under his control, took all my architecture slides, removed my name, put his on, and presented them to senior execs as his work…while I was out on medical leave….His bosses boss, thought there was nothing wrong with it. You know the frat boy group…I interviewed for an new job at a new company while I was still on medical leave when I was still suppose to be in bed recovering from a colectomy. I got the job that paid 1.5x more, higher position…And about 1.5 years later when the asshole was laidoff he. interviewed at my new company. 5 out 6 people said hire, the last person overturned all 5 other people’s yes and he wasn’t hired…I made sure I got on the interview roster ad replaced the last person so it wouldn’t be 6 yeses…just so he knew it was me…

Revenge is best served cold…

[Anonymous]

[quote=Coronita][quote=deadzone]Out of curiosity, what specific job positions do you think you are qualified for, and actually want(ed), that you feel you have been held back from due to your race?

You keep bringing up how Asians are underrepresented in certain management/executive level positions. But is that really statistically true given the relative population of Asians in the US work force?

I would argue that for someone starting out in engineering or technology, the white male is the person with with the most uphill climb. The perception in society is that Asians are smarter so given that both white and asian males are the most plentiful, asians may have the advantage. On the flip side, black female is the opposite extreme. Could basically pick any job she wanted. Followed by black male and female of any color for the easiest track in getting a job.[/quote]

Leadership promotions that went to people far less technically qualified people who couldn’t deliver a project on time if their life depended on it, but played a really good game of politics and football to the point when I was out on medical leave, orchestrated a political game that moved my entire team and project out of my control and put it under his control, took all my architecture slides, removed my name, put his on, and presented them to senior execs as his work…while I was out on medical leave….His bosses boss, thought there was nothing wrong with it. You know the frat boy group…I interviewed for an new job at a new company while I was still on medical leave when I was still suppose to be in bed recovering from a colectomy. I got the job that paid 1.5x more, higher position…And about 1.5 years later when the asshole was laidoff he. interviewed at my new company. 5 out 6 people said hire, the last person overturned all 5 other people’s yes and he wasn’t hired…I made sure I got on the interview roster ad replaced the last person so it wouldn’t be 6 yeses…just so he knew it was me…

Revenge is best served cold…[/quote]

Like the revenge story. And I agree that there are douchebags and politics involved in corporate America and yours is a good example. But this is not any evidence of racial bias. If anything you seem to have the bias against “Frat Boys”. Point is there are a lot of reasons people get passed over or screwed over in the office. I just think race is not the biggest reason, that is a crutch used way too frequently in society these days. One thing I can say for certain on that topic, when I graduated from College (many moons ago), if I were black or female I could have picked any job I wanted.

[Coronita]

[quote=deadzone]
Like the revenge story. And I agree that there are douchebags and politics involved in corporate America and yours is a good example. But this is not any evidence of racial bias. If anything you seem to have the bias against “Frat Boys”. Point is there are a lot of reasons people get passed over or screwed over in the office. I just think race is not the biggest reason, that is a crutch used way too frequently in society these days. One thing I can say for certain on that topic, when I graduated from College (many moons ago), if I were black or female I could have picked any job I wanted.[/quote]

Uh, I would disagree with that…Asian bias usually comes in the form of thinking asians will put up with shit…Because the previous generation had the reputation of being passive. So you could treat them like shit and they would put up with it… So there is a stereotype of asians and you see it come up occasionally.

I’d like to give an example.

I was at a Rite Aid a few years back when I was younger, and being me, I was a little absentminded, so I didn’t know there was a line forming in a certain direction, and accidentally stepped in ahead of this Karen. Oh god, she went off of me…because you know I look kinda nerdie and quiet…But she kept yelling, so finally I went off at her, told her to to shut the fvck up and and just about every expletive I could think of came out of mouth.. and then she got scared and shutup… Why? Because I guarantee you if instead of being a “harmless” looking Asian, but a 220lb african american football player, she wouldn’t have said a word to begin with….And the fact that I seemed like this quiet harmless asian person that suddenly sounded like a psycho, well…That was an interesting lesson for me…Don’t come across as being passive asian, and people won’t pick on you.

Asians have being stereotyped as being passive throughout the years. So stepping on asians have become normalized and happens all the time…It will take about 2 generations to fix this.

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