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August 22, 2011 at 9:23 AM #723691August 22, 2011 at 11:13 AM #722548
Arraya
Participant[quote=briansd1]
Lower compared to what? .[/quote]
Lower compared to generation ago, markedly. Remember, the thread that CAR posted Elizabeth Warren’s presentation. I’ll add, they are a hell of a lot sicker, in aggregate, as well.
[quote=briansd1]
If we are able to maintain GDP, then our aggregate standard of living is constant. [/quote]GDP has always been very flawed, though, in the past few decades has become more and more decoupled from measuring “standard of living” or any type of social health. It measures money moving around. Turns out moving more and more money around doesn’t always equal things getting better. For example, the GDP has gone up for 4 decades and standard of livings and social health has gone down.
[quote=briansd1]
That can be fixed throught policies. Government can step in and employ people in infrastructure projects, which will then lead to more employment. We just need the political will to do it. [/quote]I believe policies could mitigate – However, the reality is all policies over the past 3-4 decades have lead to this. And policies today, continue the deterioration. Though, we are moving to a point where polices will not be able to do anything.
In my estimation, which admittedly could be wrong, there will be a lower standard of living imposed that took 40 years before, in a matter of 10(2005-2015). So, what we should see is an acceleration of lower and lower standards of living for the aggregate of Americans. I bet social health will trend the same way, in an accelerating fashion.
The housing bubble collapse was a good wallop to the head of the middle class. Another one, could really put them down for the count.
August 22, 2011 at 11:13 AM #722639Participant[quote=briansd1]
Lower compared to what? .[/quote]
Lower compared to generation ago, markedly. Remember, the thread that CAR posted Elizabeth Warren’s presentation. I’ll add, they are a hell of a lot sicker, in aggregate, as well.
[quote=briansd1]
If we are able to maintain GDP, then our aggregate standard of living is constant. [/quote]GDP has always been very flawed, though, in the past few decades has become more and more decoupled from measuring “standard of living” or any type of social health. It measures money moving around. Turns out moving more and more money around doesn’t always equal things getting better. For example, the GDP has gone up for 4 decades and standard of livings and social health has gone down.
[quote=briansd1]
That can be fixed throught policies. Government can step in and employ people in infrastructure projects, which will then lead to more employment. We just need the political will to do it. [/quote]I believe policies could mitigate – However, the reality is all policies over the past 3-4 decades have lead to this. And policies today, continue the deterioration. Though, we are moving to a point where polices will not be able to do anything.
In my estimation, which admittedly could be wrong, there will be a lower standard of living imposed that took 40 years before, in a matter of 10(2005-2015). So, what we should see is an acceleration of lower and lower standards of living for the aggregate of Americans. I bet social health will trend the same way, in an accelerating fashion.
The housing bubble collapse was a good wallop to the head of the middle class. Another one, could really put them down for the count.
August 22, 2011 at 11:13 AM #723238Participant[quote=briansd1]
Lower compared to what? .[/quote]
Lower compared to generation ago, markedly. Remember, the thread that CAR posted Elizabeth Warren’s presentation. I’ll add, they are a hell of a lot sicker, in aggregate, as well.
[quote=briansd1]
If we are able to maintain GDP, then our aggregate standard of living is constant. [/quote]GDP has always been very flawed, though, in the past few decades has become more and more decoupled from measuring “standard of living” or any type of social health. It measures money moving around. Turns out moving more and more money around doesn’t always equal things getting better. For example, the GDP has gone up for 4 decades and standard of livings and social health has gone down.
[quote=briansd1]
That can be fixed throught policies. Government can step in and employ people in infrastructure projects, which will then lead to more employment. We just need the political will to do it. [/quote]I believe policies could mitigate – However, the reality is all policies over the past 3-4 decades have lead to this. And policies today, continue the deterioration. Though, we are moving to a point where polices will not be able to do anything.
In my estimation, which admittedly could be wrong, there will be a lower standard of living imposed that took 40 years before, in a matter of 10(2005-2015). So, what we should see is an acceleration of lower and lower standards of living for the aggregate of Americans. I bet social health will trend the same way, in an accelerating fashion.
The housing bubble collapse was a good wallop to the head of the middle class. Another one, could really put them down for the count.
August 22, 2011 at 11:13 AM #723391Participant[quote=briansd1]
Lower compared to what? .[/quote]
Lower compared to generation ago, markedly. Remember, the thread that CAR posted Elizabeth Warren’s presentation. I’ll add, they are a hell of a lot sicker, in aggregate, as well.
[quote=briansd1]
If we are able to maintain GDP, then our aggregate standard of living is constant. [/quote]GDP has always been very flawed, though, in the past few decades has become more and more decoupled from measuring “standard of living” or any type of social health. It measures money moving around. Turns out moving more and more money around doesn’t always equal things getting better. For example, the GDP has gone up for 4 decades and standard of livings and social health has gone down.
[quote=briansd1]
That can be fixed throught policies. Government can step in and employ people in infrastructure projects, which will then lead to more employment. We just need the political will to do it. [/quote]I believe policies could mitigate – However, the reality is all policies over the past 3-4 decades have lead to this. And policies today, continue the deterioration. Though, we are moving to a point where polices will not be able to do anything.
In my estimation, which admittedly could be wrong, there will be a lower standard of living imposed that took 40 years before, in a matter of 10(2005-2015). So, what we should see is an acceleration of lower and lower standards of living for the aggregate of Americans. I bet social health will trend the same way, in an accelerating fashion.
The housing bubble collapse was a good wallop to the head of the middle class. Another one, could really put them down for the count.
August 22, 2011 at 11:13 AM #723751Participant[quote=briansd1]
Lower compared to what? .[/quote]
Lower compared to generation ago, markedly. Remember, the thread that CAR posted Elizabeth Warren’s presentation. I’ll add, they are a hell of a lot sicker, in aggregate, as well.
[quote=briansd1]
If we are able to maintain GDP, then our aggregate standard of living is constant. [/quote]GDP has always been very flawed, though, in the past few decades has become more and more decoupled from measuring “standard of living” or any type of social health. It measures money moving around. Turns out moving more and more money around doesn’t always equal things getting better. For example, the GDP has gone up for 4 decades and standard of livings and social health has gone down.
[quote=briansd1]
That can be fixed throught policies. Government can step in and employ people in infrastructure projects, which will then lead to more employment. We just need the political will to do it. [/quote]I believe policies could mitigate – However, the reality is all policies over the past 3-4 decades have lead to this. And policies today, continue the deterioration. Though, we are moving to a point where polices will not be able to do anything.
In my estimation, which admittedly could be wrong, there will be a lower standard of living imposed that took 40 years before, in a matter of 10(2005-2015). So, what we should see is an acceleration of lower and lower standards of living for the aggregate of Americans. I bet social health will trend the same way, in an accelerating fashion.
The housing bubble collapse was a good wallop to the head of the middle class. Another one, could really put them down for the count.
August 22, 2011 at 12:00 PM #722582ParticipantWhat is amazing to me is that we fooled ourselves into thinking things were getting better. I have to say it was a pretty could trick that I fell for as well. How long do you think it will last before Americans, in mass, wake up and say hey wtf? Do we think we can keep fooling ourselves indefinitely or do we really think things will turn around – when they haven’t for over 3 decades?
This thread made me think of a writer that I like:
It is important that the working class thinks it has the self-determination they learned about in high school civics classes designed in the universities, that they feel any kind of individual power at all, which basically comes down the tepid power of consumer choice, which makes them malleable, and intolerant of any voice that suggests otherwise. But if even one iota of class awareness were allowed to flourish here, well, much of the American business class and the entire Yale University faculty would be hiding out in Argentina.
Without class interests and class awareness there can be no genuine politics or political parties. So, to the everlasting relief of the business classes, and with thanks to our university system’s poli-sci, history and social science departments, we have neither. Despite all the media’s political white noise, we have a depoliticized society
——
Call it consumer conditioned numbness, which it is. But it is safe to say most Americans give not a happy damn about the rest of humanity, starving infants, the homeless and whatnot, so long as the unhygienic swarms stay the hell out of our yards and don’t bring up that tired commie stuff about our lifestyle being based upon armed global theft and sweatshop misery. In that way, we all test positive for the Devil’s hickey.
Republicans may flaunt their hickeys like high school kids in the locker room, but guilt-plagued Democrats, feeling the smart of the mark of the beast, console themselves that they can banish it at the ballot box, if only they close their eyes and wish upon a star. Thus their comfortable self-delusions that the Tiger Woods of the Democratic Party, the technically black Barack Obama, is somehow blessed with an inner moral compass lacking in the rest of society, and therefore does not bear the damnable mark. Wiser souls, aware that Obama possesses a net worth of several millions, a Harvard law degree and a career born in that venerable political whorehouse called Chicago, assume the Devil’s mark is probably located on his posterior where we cannot see it.
———
Yet, a portion of Americans are beginning to grasp the truth about what has happened to their country — that it has been bought and paid for by an elite class in a nation that is supposed to be classless. They are beginning to realize that, when it comes to actually governing our country, we are powerless as individuals — even members of the political class — and serve the overall will of its true owners. It’s been that way so long we’ve become conditioned to accept it as a natural state, something we cannot change, and do not even know how to question, because, like the atmosphere, it’s just there.
The higher truth is something we recognize when we encounter it. We may not have the right words, or all the facts, but we can feel it in our bones. Intuition is the first glimmer in the distance. It goes unsaid that we always have the choice of not looking in truth’s direction, or not looking for it at all. Seldom is it a pleasant sight, which is the chief sign that it is truth. Even the best of it arrives to the sound of ominous bells.
I think about that young reader, Brent B., who takes time to email me now and then. Today he wrote, summarizing the only thing of which I am certain:
It’s a hard thing to know the truth in this world, it’s like something inside of you dies, but sometimes you still have to know it.
——
And from another blog today
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option.
August 22, 2011 at 12:00 PM #722674ParticipantWhat is amazing to me is that we fooled ourselves into thinking things were getting better. I have to say it was a pretty could trick that I fell for as well. How long do you think it will last before Americans, in mass, wake up and say hey wtf? Do we think we can keep fooling ourselves indefinitely or do we really think things will turn around – when they haven’t for over 3 decades?
This thread made me think of a writer that I like:
It is important that the working class thinks it has the self-determination they learned about in high school civics classes designed in the universities, that they feel any kind of individual power at all, which basically comes down the tepid power of consumer choice, which makes them malleable, and intolerant of any voice that suggests otherwise. But if even one iota of class awareness were allowed to flourish here, well, much of the American business class and the entire Yale University faculty would be hiding out in Argentina.
Without class interests and class awareness there can be no genuine politics or political parties. So, to the everlasting relief of the business classes, and with thanks to our university system’s poli-sci, history and social science departments, we have neither. Despite all the media’s political white noise, we have a depoliticized society
——
Call it consumer conditioned numbness, which it is. But it is safe to say most Americans give not a happy damn about the rest of humanity, starving infants, the homeless and whatnot, so long as the unhygienic swarms stay the hell out of our yards and don’t bring up that tired commie stuff about our lifestyle being based upon armed global theft and sweatshop misery. In that way, we all test positive for the Devil’s hickey.
Republicans may flaunt their hickeys like high school kids in the locker room, but guilt-plagued Democrats, feeling the smart of the mark of the beast, console themselves that they can banish it at the ballot box, if only they close their eyes and wish upon a star. Thus their comfortable self-delusions that the Tiger Woods of the Democratic Party, the technically black Barack Obama, is somehow blessed with an inner moral compass lacking in the rest of society, and therefore does not bear the damnable mark. Wiser souls, aware that Obama possesses a net worth of several millions, a Harvard law degree and a career born in that venerable political whorehouse called Chicago, assume the Devil’s mark is probably located on his posterior where we cannot see it.
———
Yet, a portion of Americans are beginning to grasp the truth about what has happened to their country — that it has been bought and paid for by an elite class in a nation that is supposed to be classless. They are beginning to realize that, when it comes to actually governing our country, we are powerless as individuals — even members of the political class — and serve the overall will of its true owners. It’s been that way so long we’ve become conditioned to accept it as a natural state, something we cannot change, and do not even know how to question, because, like the atmosphere, it’s just there.
The higher truth is something we recognize when we encounter it. We may not have the right words, or all the facts, but we can feel it in our bones. Intuition is the first glimmer in the distance. It goes unsaid that we always have the choice of not looking in truth’s direction, or not looking for it at all. Seldom is it a pleasant sight, which is the chief sign that it is truth. Even the best of it arrives to the sound of ominous bells.
I think about that young reader, Brent B., who takes time to email me now and then. Today he wrote, summarizing the only thing of which I am certain:
It’s a hard thing to know the truth in this world, it’s like something inside of you dies, but sometimes you still have to know it.
——
And from another blog today
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option.
August 22, 2011 at 12:00 PM #723272ParticipantWhat is amazing to me is that we fooled ourselves into thinking things were getting better. I have to say it was a pretty could trick that I fell for as well. How long do you think it will last before Americans, in mass, wake up and say hey wtf? Do we think we can keep fooling ourselves indefinitely or do we really think things will turn around – when they haven’t for over 3 decades?
This thread made me think of a writer that I like:
It is important that the working class thinks it has the self-determination they learned about in high school civics classes designed in the universities, that they feel any kind of individual power at all, which basically comes down the tepid power of consumer choice, which makes them malleable, and intolerant of any voice that suggests otherwise. But if even one iota of class awareness were allowed to flourish here, well, much of the American business class and the entire Yale University faculty would be hiding out in Argentina.
Without class interests and class awareness there can be no genuine politics or political parties. So, to the everlasting relief of the business classes, and with thanks to our university system’s poli-sci, history and social science departments, we have neither. Despite all the media’s political white noise, we have a depoliticized society
——
Call it consumer conditioned numbness, which it is. But it is safe to say most Americans give not a happy damn about the rest of humanity, starving infants, the homeless and whatnot, so long as the unhygienic swarms stay the hell out of our yards and don’t bring up that tired commie stuff about our lifestyle being based upon armed global theft and sweatshop misery. In that way, we all test positive for the Devil’s hickey.
Republicans may flaunt their hickeys like high school kids in the locker room, but guilt-plagued Democrats, feeling the smart of the mark of the beast, console themselves that they can banish it at the ballot box, if only they close their eyes and wish upon a star. Thus their comfortable self-delusions that the Tiger Woods of the Democratic Party, the technically black Barack Obama, is somehow blessed with an inner moral compass lacking in the rest of society, and therefore does not bear the damnable mark. Wiser souls, aware that Obama possesses a net worth of several millions, a Harvard law degree and a career born in that venerable political whorehouse called Chicago, assume the Devil’s mark is probably located on his posterior where we cannot see it.
———
Yet, a portion of Americans are beginning to grasp the truth about what has happened to their country — that it has been bought and paid for by an elite class in a nation that is supposed to be classless. They are beginning to realize that, when it comes to actually governing our country, we are powerless as individuals — even members of the political class — and serve the overall will of its true owners. It’s been that way so long we’ve become conditioned to accept it as a natural state, something we cannot change, and do not even know how to question, because, like the atmosphere, it’s just there.
The higher truth is something we recognize when we encounter it. We may not have the right words, or all the facts, but we can feel it in our bones. Intuition is the first glimmer in the distance. It goes unsaid that we always have the choice of not looking in truth’s direction, or not looking for it at all. Seldom is it a pleasant sight, which is the chief sign that it is truth. Even the best of it arrives to the sound of ominous bells.
I think about that young reader, Brent B., who takes time to email me now and then. Today he wrote, summarizing the only thing of which I am certain:
It’s a hard thing to know the truth in this world, it’s like something inside of you dies, but sometimes you still have to know it.
——
And from another blog today
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option.
August 22, 2011 at 12:00 PM #723426ParticipantWhat is amazing to me is that we fooled ourselves into thinking things were getting better. I have to say it was a pretty could trick that I fell for as well. How long do you think it will last before Americans, in mass, wake up and say hey wtf? Do we think we can keep fooling ourselves indefinitely or do we really think things will turn around – when they haven’t for over 3 decades?
This thread made me think of a writer that I like:
It is important that the working class thinks it has the self-determination they learned about in high school civics classes designed in the universities, that they feel any kind of individual power at all, which basically comes down the tepid power of consumer choice, which makes them malleable, and intolerant of any voice that suggests otherwise. But if even one iota of class awareness were allowed to flourish here, well, much of the American business class and the entire Yale University faculty would be hiding out in Argentina.
Without class interests and class awareness there can be no genuine politics or political parties. So, to the everlasting relief of the business classes, and with thanks to our university system’s poli-sci, history and social science departments, we have neither. Despite all the media’s political white noise, we have a depoliticized society
——
Call it consumer conditioned numbness, which it is. But it is safe to say most Americans give not a happy damn about the rest of humanity, starving infants, the homeless and whatnot, so long as the unhygienic swarms stay the hell out of our yards and don’t bring up that tired commie stuff about our lifestyle being based upon armed global theft and sweatshop misery. In that way, we all test positive for the Devil’s hickey.
Republicans may flaunt their hickeys like high school kids in the locker room, but guilt-plagued Democrats, feeling the smart of the mark of the beast, console themselves that they can banish it at the ballot box, if only they close their eyes and wish upon a star. Thus their comfortable self-delusions that the Tiger Woods of the Democratic Party, the technically black Barack Obama, is somehow blessed with an inner moral compass lacking in the rest of society, and therefore does not bear the damnable mark. Wiser souls, aware that Obama possesses a net worth of several millions, a Harvard law degree and a career born in that venerable political whorehouse called Chicago, assume the Devil’s mark is probably located on his posterior where we cannot see it.
———
Yet, a portion of Americans are beginning to grasp the truth about what has happened to their country — that it has been bought and paid for by an elite class in a nation that is supposed to be classless. They are beginning to realize that, when it comes to actually governing our country, we are powerless as individuals — even members of the political class — and serve the overall will of its true owners. It’s been that way so long we’ve become conditioned to accept it as a natural state, something we cannot change, and do not even know how to question, because, like the atmosphere, it’s just there.
The higher truth is something we recognize when we encounter it. We may not have the right words, or all the facts, but we can feel it in our bones. Intuition is the first glimmer in the distance. It goes unsaid that we always have the choice of not looking in truth’s direction, or not looking for it at all. Seldom is it a pleasant sight, which is the chief sign that it is truth. Even the best of it arrives to the sound of ominous bells.
I think about that young reader, Brent B., who takes time to email me now and then. Today he wrote, summarizing the only thing of which I am certain:
It’s a hard thing to know the truth in this world, it’s like something inside of you dies, but sometimes you still have to know it.
——
And from another blog today
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option.
August 22, 2011 at 12:00 PM #723787ParticipantWhat is amazing to me is that we fooled ourselves into thinking things were getting better. I have to say it was a pretty could trick that I fell for as well. How long do you think it will last before Americans, in mass, wake up and say hey wtf? Do we think we can keep fooling ourselves indefinitely or do we really think things will turn around – when they haven’t for over 3 decades?
This thread made me think of a writer that I like:
It is important that the working class thinks it has the self-determination they learned about in high school civics classes designed in the universities, that they feel any kind of individual power at all, which basically comes down the tepid power of consumer choice, which makes them malleable, and intolerant of any voice that suggests otherwise. But if even one iota of class awareness were allowed to flourish here, well, much of the American business class and the entire Yale University faculty would be hiding out in Argentina.
Without class interests and class awareness there can be no genuine politics or political parties. So, to the everlasting relief of the business classes, and with thanks to our university system’s poli-sci, history and social science departments, we have neither. Despite all the media’s political white noise, we have a depoliticized society
——
Call it consumer conditioned numbness, which it is. But it is safe to say most Americans give not a happy damn about the rest of humanity, starving infants, the homeless and whatnot, so long as the unhygienic swarms stay the hell out of our yards and don’t bring up that tired commie stuff about our lifestyle being based upon armed global theft and sweatshop misery. In that way, we all test positive for the Devil’s hickey.
Republicans may flaunt their hickeys like high school kids in the locker room, but guilt-plagued Democrats, feeling the smart of the mark of the beast, console themselves that they can banish it at the ballot box, if only they close their eyes and wish upon a star. Thus their comfortable self-delusions that the Tiger Woods of the Democratic Party, the technically black Barack Obama, is somehow blessed with an inner moral compass lacking in the rest of society, and therefore does not bear the damnable mark. Wiser souls, aware that Obama possesses a net worth of several millions, a Harvard law degree and a career born in that venerable political whorehouse called Chicago, assume the Devil’s mark is probably located on his posterior where we cannot see it.
———
Yet, a portion of Americans are beginning to grasp the truth about what has happened to their country — that it has been bought and paid for by an elite class in a nation that is supposed to be classless. They are beginning to realize that, when it comes to actually governing our country, we are powerless as individuals — even members of the political class — and serve the overall will of its true owners. It’s been that way so long we’ve become conditioned to accept it as a natural state, something we cannot change, and do not even know how to question, because, like the atmosphere, it’s just there.
The higher truth is something we recognize when we encounter it. We may not have the right words, or all the facts, but we can feel it in our bones. Intuition is the first glimmer in the distance. It goes unsaid that we always have the choice of not looking in truth’s direction, or not looking for it at all. Seldom is it a pleasant sight, which is the chief sign that it is truth. Even the best of it arrives to the sound of ominous bells.
I think about that young reader, Brent B., who takes time to email me now and then. Today he wrote, summarizing the only thing of which I am certain:
It’s a hard thing to know the truth in this world, it’s like something inside of you dies, but sometimes you still have to know it.
——
And from another blog today
Pensions, health care, education, you name it. Whatever field does not produce profit will be gutted, cut out and thrown by the wayside, no matter the consequences for anyone. It’ll happen in Greece, in Britain and in the US. And nowhere will it be accepted lying down once reality sinks in. The reality we’re busy creating is one most of us wouldn’t want to live in. So we choose to ignore we’re creating it. Until we’re in it, and ignoring is no longer an option.
August 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM #722606jpinpb
Participant[quote=Arraya]
[quote=briansd1]
Arraya might be right long term. The significant shifts won’t happen but slowly in like 100 years. [/quote]That is straight up reality impairment. [/quote]
LOL. I know your posts are serious, but that was a funny line.
Arraya – who is the writer that you quoted? Link?
August 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM #722699Participant[quote=Arraya]
[quote=briansd1]
Arraya might be right long term. The significant shifts won’t happen but slowly in like 100 years. [/quote]That is straight up reality impairment. [/quote]
LOL. I know your posts are serious, but that was a funny line.
Arraya – who is the writer that you quoted? Link?
August 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM #723297Participant[quote=Arraya]
[quote=briansd1]
Arraya might be right long term. The significant shifts won’t happen but slowly in like 100 years. [/quote]That is straight up reality impairment. [/quote]
LOL. I know your posts are serious, but that was a funny line.
Arraya – who is the writer that you quoted? Link?
August 22, 2011 at 1:16 PM #723449Participant[quote=Arraya]
[quote=briansd1]
Arraya might be right long term. The significant shifts won’t happen but slowly in like 100 years. [/quote]That is straight up reality impairment. [/quote]
LOL. I know your posts are serious, but that was a funny line.
Arraya – who is the writer that you quoted? Link?
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