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August 20, 2011 at 8:12 AM #722856August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #721775
briansd1
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A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #721868briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #722467briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #722623briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #722989briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #721780briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #721873briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #722472briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #722628briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM #722994briansd1
Guest[quote=SK in CV]
A couple notes here Arraya. And I’m not sure how much sarcasm is included in your post, but for the purpose of thise response, I’ll assume (and I suspect) none. Which makes your comment spot on.First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]
That’s an excellent summary right there.
About the socialist tag, thanks to talk-radio and internet blogs designed deceive and rile-up, there’s huge segment of the population that believes that affordable housing policies to the help the poor caused the bubble and crash.
People falsely claim that the government forced the banks to lend to poor borrowers who were not credit-worthy.
August 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM #721790Arraya
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
[/quote]Well the ‘socialist’ leanings of the government is a common narrative of the ideologues to explain the bubble. Which is pure unmitigated bullshit. RP and associates gives a bogus narrative. Either out of ideological blindness or just pushing an agenda. I take issue with either.
[quote=SK in CV]
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]Well, first, conspiring is a systemic tendency in politics and money. That is the world we live in. It’s in a state of non-stop conspiring for wealth a power. The term “conspiracy” has been conflated with every crack pot conspiracy in the world. One of the reasons there is so much conspiracy theorizing is because people are lied to on a non-stop basis. So they come up with a comic book versions of a complex reality. The fact is, the DOJ is HUGE into conspiracies and has thousands of laws on the books to deal with such.
Second, you have to look at things systemically. Systemically speaking, the conditions for a bubble were set into motion via the government bending to the whims of corporations. Because that is their job. Once one business lowers it’s standards the rest will follow until they all slit their own throats on the alter of competition. This is a well known and tested reason for regulations. This happened from top to bottom during the bubble. I knew mortgage brokers that conspired with borrowers and appraisers to lie to lenders, which, apparently, was common place. This went on at all levels. People conspiring to make more money. Big surprise.
Now, aside from the every present conspiring, was there a larger agenda to set it into motion for some purpose? Well, there is a lot of evidence to point in the direction. Lots of indications of foreknowledge and other dubious shenanigans as well as motives that makes it a possibility. Not that it matters a lick if it was. Let’s face it, people with all the money in the world, the best lawyers, access to the levers of power and being masters of plausible deniability – makes it a futile exercises to even ponder. It can only lead to frustration.
Greenspan once said that he did not want fraud investigated because it may inhibit the magic of the market or some nonsense. Now, Imagine if you were a clever, ambitious and conniving banker that knew about this ideological rigidity. That’s is quite a shield to do what you want.
But, you all can take solace that nothing was done to stop this behavior besides a little song and dance the administration gave – even with his phony song and dance his detractors talk about how he is a tyrant to industry.
August 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM #721883Arraya
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
[/quote]Well the ‘socialist’ leanings of the government is a common narrative of the ideologues to explain the bubble. Which is pure unmitigated bullshit. RP and associates gives a bogus narrative. Either out of ideological blindness or just pushing an agenda. I take issue with either.
[quote=SK in CV]
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]Well, first, conspiring is a systemic tendency in politics and money. That is the world we live in. It’s in a state of non-stop conspiring for wealth a power. The term “conspiracy” has been conflated with every crack pot conspiracy in the world. One of the reasons there is so much conspiracy theorizing is because people are lied to on a non-stop basis. So they come up with a comic book versions of a complex reality. The fact is, the DOJ is HUGE into conspiracies and has thousands of laws on the books to deal with such.
Second, you have to look at things systemically. Systemically speaking, the conditions for a bubble were set into motion via the government bending to the whims of corporations. Because that is their job. Once one business lowers it’s standards the rest will follow until they all slit their own throats on the alter of competition. This is a well known and tested reason for regulations. This happened from top to bottom during the bubble. I knew mortgage brokers that conspired with borrowers and appraisers to lie to lenders, which, apparently, was common place. This went on at all levels. People conspiring to make more money. Big surprise.
Now, aside from the every present conspiring, was there a larger agenda to set it into motion for some purpose? Well, there is a lot of evidence to point in the direction. Lots of indications of foreknowledge and other dubious shenanigans as well as motives that makes it a possibility. Not that it matters a lick if it was. Let’s face it, people with all the money in the world, the best lawyers, access to the levers of power and being masters of plausible deniability – makes it a futile exercises to even ponder. It can only lead to frustration.
Greenspan once said that he did not want fraud investigated because it may inhibit the magic of the market or some nonsense. Now, Imagine if you were a clever, ambitious and conniving banker that knew about this ideological rigidity. That’s is quite a shield to do what you want.
But, you all can take solace that nothing was done to stop this behavior besides a little song and dance the administration gave – even with his phony song and dance his detractors talk about how he is a tyrant to industry.
August 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM #722482Arraya
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
[/quote]Well the ‘socialist’ leanings of the government is a common narrative of the ideologues to explain the bubble. Which is pure unmitigated bullshit. RP and associates gives a bogus narrative. Either out of ideological blindness or just pushing an agenda. I take issue with either.
[quote=SK in CV]
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]Well, first, conspiring is a systemic tendency in politics and money. That is the world we live in. It’s in a state of non-stop conspiring for wealth a power. The term “conspiracy” has been conflated with every crack pot conspiracy in the world. One of the reasons there is so much conspiracy theorizing is because people are lied to on a non-stop basis. So they come up with a comic book versions of a complex reality. The fact is, the DOJ is HUGE into conspiracies and has thousands of laws on the books to deal with such.
Second, you have to look at things systemically. Systemically speaking, the conditions for a bubble were set into motion via the government bending to the whims of corporations. Because that is their job. Once one business lowers it’s standards the rest will follow until they all slit their own throats on the alter of competition. This is a well known and tested reason for regulations. This happened from top to bottom during the bubble. I knew mortgage brokers that conspired with borrowers and appraisers to lie to lenders, which, apparently, was common place. This went on at all levels. People conspiring to make more money. Big surprise.
Now, aside from the every present conspiring, was there a larger agenda to set it into motion for some purpose? Well, there is a lot of evidence to point in the direction. Lots of indications of foreknowledge and other dubious shenanigans as well as motives that makes it a possibility. Not that it matters a lick if it was. Let’s face it, people with all the money in the world, the best lawyers, access to the levers of power and being masters of plausible deniability – makes it a futile exercises to even ponder. It can only lead to frustration.
Greenspan once said that he did not want fraud investigated because it may inhibit the magic of the market or some nonsense. Now, Imagine if you were a clever, ambitious and conniving banker that knew about this ideological rigidity. That’s is quite a shield to do what you want.
But, you all can take solace that nothing was done to stop this behavior besides a little song and dance the administration gave – even with his phony song and dance his detractors talk about how he is a tyrant to industry.
August 20, 2011 at 12:45 PM #722638Arraya
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
First, there’s a big difference between saying the GSE’s weren’t responsible for the bubble and that the government was blameless. The GSE’s weren’t blameless, they were just a small part. But the government certainly wasn’t blameless. (I’d dispute the use of the socialistic tag, mostly because when government actions acts solely in support of private industry, that’s fascist policy, not socialistic.)
[/quote]Well the ‘socialist’ leanings of the government is a common narrative of the ideologues to explain the bubble. Which is pure unmitigated bullshit. RP and associates gives a bogus narrative. Either out of ideological blindness or just pushing an agenda. I take issue with either.
[quote=SK in CV]
I find it hard to place primary blame for criminal actions on anyone other than the criminals. And the criminal enterprise was the financial industry. The loan originators and syndicators. But the government agencies (including congress) in charge of overseeing and regulating these industries were probably a close 2nd. The SEC, the Fed, Comptroller of the currency, Treasury, and more. They all f’d up beyond belief. Conspiracy to do so? I’m not real big on conspiracies. I’d go with Occam’s razor here, the much more simple explanation is gross negligence. In a different context, it would be criminal complacency.[/quote]Well, first, conspiring is a systemic tendency in politics and money. That is the world we live in. It’s in a state of non-stop conspiring for wealth a power. The term “conspiracy” has been conflated with every crack pot conspiracy in the world. One of the reasons there is so much conspiracy theorizing is because people are lied to on a non-stop basis. So they come up with a comic book versions of a complex reality. The fact is, the DOJ is HUGE into conspiracies and has thousands of laws on the books to deal with such.
Second, you have to look at things systemically. Systemically speaking, the conditions for a bubble were set into motion via the government bending to the whims of corporations. Because that is their job. Once one business lowers it’s standards the rest will follow until they all slit their own throats on the alter of competition. This is a well known and tested reason for regulations. This happened from top to bottom during the bubble. I knew mortgage brokers that conspired with borrowers and appraisers to lie to lenders, which, apparently, was common place. This went on at all levels. People conspiring to make more money. Big surprise.
Now, aside from the every present conspiring, was there a larger agenda to set it into motion for some purpose? Well, there is a lot of evidence to point in the direction. Lots of indications of foreknowledge and other dubious shenanigans as well as motives that makes it a possibility. Not that it matters a lick if it was. Let’s face it, people with all the money in the world, the best lawyers, access to the levers of power and being masters of plausible deniability – makes it a futile exercises to even ponder. It can only lead to frustration.
Greenspan once said that he did not want fraud investigated because it may inhibit the magic of the market or some nonsense. Now, Imagine if you were a clever, ambitious and conniving banker that knew about this ideological rigidity. That’s is quite a shield to do what you want.
But, you all can take solace that nothing was done to stop this behavior besides a little song and dance the administration gave – even with his phony song and dance his detractors talk about how he is a tyrant to industry.
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