I went 90% cash today.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=La Jolla Renter]
FlyerInHI, roughly what percent of republicans do you consider racists? If you vote for Trump are you a racist?[/quote]

Here’s what happened at Trump rally. The event speaks volumes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/trump-booted-a-black-man-from-his-rally-and-called-him-a-thug-turns-out-he-is-a-supporter/

[an]

flu, I don’t remember ever seeing anything about Trump supporter pushing for quota or affirmative action. Keep in mind his core supporters are not college educated and they feel more threaten by those who take their skilled/unskilled union jobs than high tech works. So, I’m not threaten by their fear.

Also, I’m pretty you’re fully aware than presidents don’t make bills and laws. So, I’m more afraid of one party taking full control of all 3 branches. Bad shit tends to happen when that happen. Although, I did vote for Peters because Denise Gitsham endorses Trump, so, maybe I’m shooting myself in the foot with this one.

I understand you don’t particularly like Hillary. I just pointed out one particular group of people who hate Hillary to a point where they would vote for Trump all the while hoping he’ll get impeached. This is why I don’t think guys like Trump will be able to do too much damage. If Clinton can get impeached for the Monica shit, then Trump would be impeached much faster if he ever pull any of the shit you’re worried about.

I understand your position on the market and I don’t really object them. Except for the your fear of Trump causing a long term market decline. I think if he does win, it would be a short term pull back, then the market will recover shortly after. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess.

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN] Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.[/quote]

Sounds like you voted for a third party candidate. You’re free to do that.

I assume that by new boss, old boss, you mean that Republicans are the same as Democrats. If that’s the case, then you should feel indifferent between the 2 major parties. Just do us a favor and keep voting third party.[/quote]It doesn’t matter who I vote for president, the Democrat nominee will get CA’s electoral vote. So, yeah, I will vote for my conscience and not for the lesser of the two evils. As for non-presidential races, I’ve voted for both Dems and Rep as well as 3rd party. I actually voted all Dems in this election if that matters, minus for the presidency. I don’t feel indifferent about the two major party. I don’t vote base on party line. I’m glad I’m doing you a favor, lol. Feel free to keep on voting for your side, then complain people on the other side do the exact same thing. Hypocrisy is quite hilarious. Especially when the hypocrite don’t see it.

When I say new boss same as old boss, I was referring to their stances with regards to crony capitalism. With both parties, companies like GE and rich guys/gals will always be paying less in taxes as a % of their real income than small biz and working stiff.

[flyer]

Although I know this doesn’t apply to us Piggs, hopefully the voting masses realize the wealth gap issue may be the most critical issue they and their families will face in their lifetimes, especially since, under prior and current administrations, wealth inequality has continued to widen, and is predicted to continue to do so going forward per:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/economic-inequality-it-s-far-worse-than-you-think/

The stats, going forward, will reveal whether our new leader can make a measurable difference in the lives of the masses or not.

[Coronita]

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[Coronita]

[quote=AN]flu, I don’t remember ever seeing anything about Trump supporter pushing for quota or affirmative action. Keep in mind his core supporters are not college educated and they feel more threaten by those who take their skilled/unskilled union jobs than high tech works. So, I’m not threaten by their fear.
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There’s plenty of rhetoric being through from that side on high tech workers, forign workers, and H1-Bs.

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Also, I’m pretty you’re fully aware than presidents don’t make bills and laws.
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Yes, but he does set a lot of precedence. There’s the appointment to the supreme court and there’s executive orders. And a long list of other things that can be done.

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So, I’m more afraid of one party taking full control of all 3 branches. Bad shit tends to happen when that happen. Although, I did vote for Peters because Denise Gitsham endorses Trump, so, maybe I’m shooting myself in the foot with this one.
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I agree. And that has crossed my mind/

In the worst case scenario, we see Hillary win, and Democrats taking over Senate, not taking over House, neither of which is enough to stop a filibuster.

In the other scenario, Republicans maintain control both House and Senate and Trump wins, since it’s unlikely Trump would win, while GOP down-ballot senators/house reps lose their seats in the majority. In that case, we would have the lop-sided government. What are the prospects of a Republican only government? Doesn’t that bother you?

I’m more concerned the ALT-Right completely taking over the republican party. Then what? Republican core values are quickly being eroded. No one on the right is really talking about fiscal responsibility, responsible spending, hard work, effort. The same thing coming out of alt-right is the same thing is coming out of far alt-left. It’s someone else’s fault, blame THEM. No one wants to accept responsibility for their own outcome anymore. On top of that, then you got a government that will spend more time on bullshit social conservatism (anti-gay rights, anti-women’s rights, more religious nutjob bullshit), not of which was ever particularly appealing to some of us in the middle anyway.

Republicans establishment never in the past picked a fight with “foreign workers”. Trump changed a lot of this. It starts with illegals, and low skill workers. And then there’s grumblings about H1-Bs and foreign workers…How much longer do you think that the hate over foreign workers and H1-B’s boil over to anyone that looks foreign? This is why I feel this sort of thinking is dangerous. It might not concern you or me right now, since neither of us are hispanic, illegal or muslim. But when does the line get drawn and when does it stop? Answer it won’t. Because none of the uneducated, unskilled people will ever be happy because they won’t ever realize the reason why they are left behind has nothing to do with what everyone else is doing, but rather it has everything to do with what they themselves are not doing. But along the way, they will continue to find every excuse and every reason why they are being left behind…

I understand the need for a torch bearer to push back against all the ridiculous policies of affirmative action, reverse discrimination, and for someone to truly represent an equal, impartial viewpoint that ability and ability alone should be the only test for some opportunity. Unfortunately, that torch bearer is no way in hell donald trump, and no way in hell any of Trump’s supporters, who are using this only as an excuse for why themselves fall short.

Does things like that fox ridicule of chinatown bother you at all? I mean, we’re talking prime time. You think fox would have done something like this in Harlem?

I’m not really trying to convince you, just letting you know where I’m coming from. As pretty good friends with you, I totally respect your position on things, as I can totally understand how in a lot of ways a lot of us have been, well short changed, by bullshit things like what SCA-5 almost tried to do. My take on this is..Fight the current present danger, and fight the other danger when we have more time 🙁

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I understand you don’t particularly like Hillary. I just pointed out one particular group of people who hate Hillary to a point where they would vote for Trump all the while hoping he’ll get impeached. This is why I don’t think guys like Trump will be able to do too much damage. If Clinton can get impeached for the Monica shit, then Trump would be impeached much faster if he ever pull any of the shit you’re worried about.
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It’s actually pretty hard to get impeached, it appears. Didn’t we go to war in Iraq on a big lie? Still waiting for those WMD’s….

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I understand your position on the market and I don’t really object them. Except for the your fear of Trump causing a long term market decline. I think if he does win, it would be a short term pull back, then the market will recover shortly after. We’ll just have to wait and see I guess.[/quote]

My definition of long term is probably most people’s definition of short term. I consider 4 years already pretty long. 8 would be an eternity. I don’t expect the damage to be longer than that. But nevertheless it still would suck.

[an]

[quote=flu]There’s plenty of rhetoric being through from that side on high tech workers, forign workers, and H1-Bs.[/quote]Rhetoric is one thing. Actual proposal is another. At least no one on the right actually proposed affirmative action.

[quote=flu]I agree. And that has crossed my mind/

In the worst case scenario, we see Hillary win, and Democrats taking over Senate, not taking over House, neither of which is enough to stop a filibuster.[/quote]You think that’s worse case scenario? Worse case scenario would be Republican also lose the house. The Republican is completely fractured and there are 3-4 other parties picking up the pieces and none will be able to compete with the $ from the Democrats and they have control of all 3 branches for decades. Now, that’s worse case scenario.

[quote=flu]In the other scenario, Republicans maintain control both House and Senate and Trump wins, since it’s unlikely Trump would win, while GOP down-ballot senators/house reps lose their seats in the majority. In that case, we would have the lop-sided government. What are the prospects of a Republican only government? Doesn’t that bother you?[/quote]Yes, that does bother me, but I personally think that’s a much much less likely scenario. Maybe you think this is likely if all you watch is Fox.

[quote=flu]I’m more concerned the ALT-Right completely taking over the republican party. Then what? Republican core values are quickly being eroded. No one on the right is really talking about fiscal responsibility, responsible spending, hard work, effort. The same thing coming out of alt-right is the same thing is coming out of far alt-left. It’s someone else’s fault, blame THEM. No one wants to accept responsibility for their own outcome anymore. On top of that, then you got a government that will spend more time on bullshit social conservatism (anti-gay rights, anti-women’s rights, more religious nutjob bullshit), not of which was ever particularly appealing to some of us in the middle anyway.[/quote]I personally give up the Republican party just as I’ve given up the Democrat party in the past. I view them both as hypocrites. It’s funny you’re saying all of the bullshit that is the current Republican party. Those are the exact reason why I’ve given up on them I see them as nothing but hypocrites. Small government my ass. Same as the Dems, pro choice my ass. I personally would like to see the Alt-Right blow up the republican party. I’m tired of these spineless Republicans in congress.

[quote=flu]Republicans establishment never in the past picked a fight with “foreign workers”. Trump changed a lot of this. It starts with illegals, and low skill workers. And then there’s grumblings about H1-Bs and foreign workers…How much longer do you think that the hate over foreign workers and H1-B’s boil over to anyone that looks foreign? This is why I feel this sort of thinking is dangerous. It might not concern you or me right now, since neither of us are hispanic, illegal or muslim. But when does the line get drawn and when does it stop? Answer it won’t. Because none of the uneducated, unskilled people will ever be happy because they won’t ever realize the reason why they are left behind has nothing to do with what everyone else is doing, but rather it has everything to do with what they themselves are not doing. But along the way, they will continue to find every excuse and every reason why they are being left behind… [/quote]I personally think there aren’t as many hardcore Trump supporter who think like what you’re describing. I’m guessing around 20% of the Republican, which is about 5% of Americans. The rest either are just tired of the political class and just want to blow shit up or they’re exactly like you and are voting for the lesser of the two evil.

[quote=flu]Does things like that fox ridicule of chinatown bother you at all? I mean, we’re talking prime time. You think fox would have done something like this in Harlem?

I’m not really trying to convince you, just letting you know where I’m coming from. As pretty good friends with you, I totally respect your position on things, as I can totally understand how in a lot of ways a lot of us have been, well short changed, by bullshit things like what SCA-5 almost tried to do. My take on this is..Fight the current present danger, and fight the other danger when we have more time 🙁 [/quote]I totally respect your decision and understand where you’re coming from. I was just pointing out that CA is going for Hillary, regardless of how you or I vote. So, I personally don’t need to vote for the lesser of the two evil. But I did vote for ALL Dems in the down ballot with hope to blow up the Republican party.

[quote=flu]It’s actually pretty hard to get impeached, it appears. Didn’t we go to war in Iraq on a big lie? Still waiting for those WMD’s….[/quote]Well, Hillary did vote for the Iraq war, going into and staying in Afghanistan, going into and staying in Libya, going into and staying in Syria. So, in term of war, I’m not sure she’ll do anything different than Bush or Obama.

[quote=flu]My definition of long term is probably most people’s definition of short term. I consider 4 years already pretty long. 8 would be an eternity. I don’t expect the damage to be longer than that. But nevertheless it still would suck.[/quote]I guess this is what’s causing us to diverge in deciding who to vote for. I view 4-8 years as short term. I’m sure I can do more than survive 4-8 years regardless of Trump or Hillary. I don’t think both can do that much serious damage in 4-8 years, which I consider as short term. Long term to me is more like 20+ years. I look at the policies both are peddling and see how it will affect me, my kids, my grand kids, etc.

[ucodegen]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=La Jolla Renter]
FlyerInHI, roughly what percent of republicans do you consider racists? If you vote for Trump are you a racist?[/quote]

Here’s what happened at Trump rally. The event speaks volumes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/29/trump-booted-a-black-man-from-his-rally-and-called-him-a-thug-turns-out-he-is-a-supporter/%5B/quote%5D
Maybe – His exit was weird, the guy was smiling all the way out. I got the feeling it was a setup. That the guy was not a supporter and was intentionally being disruptive. You might want to see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5fQ9_uSuxw

Also observe the background. Racist?

If there is any possibility for something to get violent, I think the policy of escorting them out is the best way to avoid any problems.

[FlyerInHi]

AN, you want to blow up thr Republican Party but you also want a counter to democrats. If you’re center right, you should help the Republicans abandon their wacky positions.

I personally think Republicans need to pay dear price for enabling the extremists within their party. Another 16 years out of the White House sounds good to me. Just think about it, California and Hawaii, dominated by democrats, are nice places to live. I don’t see people moving to Kansas where the economy has been destroyed by a republican governor.

[ucodegen]

[quote=flyer]Although I know this doesn’t apply to us Piggs, hopefully the voting masses realize the wealth gap issue may be the most critical issue they and their families will face in their lifetimes, especially since, under prior and current administrations, wealth inequality has continued to widen, and is predicted to continue to do so going forward per:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/economic-inequality-it-s-far-worse-than-you-think/

The stats, going forward, will reveal whether our new leader can make a measurable difference in the lives of the masses or not.[/quote]
Liked the link, here is another interesting video on the same subject.

PS: If you are not in the 1% indicated, which I think the Piggs probably aren’t – it actually may apply.

[Coronita]

[quote=AN][quote=flu]There’s plenty of rhetoric being through from that side on high tech workers, forign workers, and H1-Bs.[/quote]Rhetoric is one thing. Actual proposal is another. At least no one on the right actually proposed affirmative action.

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No, alt-right isn’t proposing affirmative action. They are proposing shipping foreigners home, qualified or not. It’s as if shipping a bunch of P.H.d’s home sudden will free up jobs for these guys, with no education, to fulfill. I know you and I both know this is ridiculous, but it sure doesn’t seem like alt-right gets it.. And an extension to this is “go back to india/asia”, applied to anyone that looks like that. It’s not that you are physically really going to be kicked out. Those sort of biases have very interesting ways of creeping up. Remember when a few weeks ago, the discussion of colleges brought here such to some suggested as structuring TOFEL exams in such a way that it was much harder for people from China specifically to pass? That’s the mentality of alt-right. Alt-right really doesn’t believe in equality based on merit. Only when it is convenient to talk about eliminating AA on one hand, and yet quota limiting certain groups on the other, or “making it much harder for them”, as some alt-right suggest. There’s huge difference between the mentality of what is in the center, those that truly believe equality and merit based rewards. And there are those on extreme on both sides of the spectrum that all want to bend the rules in their own ways to benefit themselves, who can’t make it on merit alone.

[quote] The Republican is completely fractured and there are 3-4 other parties picking up the pieces and none will be able to compete with the $ from the Democrats and they have control of all 3 branches for decades. Now, that’s worse case scenario. Yes, that does bother me, but I personally think that’s a much much less likely scenario. Maybe you think this is likely if all you watch is Fox.
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I don’t watch fox news, and barely watch CNN. I get most of my news from the BBC. But….I’m just merely pointing out the Republicans control both chambers of Congress. The number of House seats up for grabs is not going to put Democrats in the majority this election cycle. And the number of senate seats that the GOP is endanger of losing, is not going to be enough to allow any sort of anti-filibuster. Not that I’m a proponent of this as a negotiation tactic.

[quote]I personally give up the Republican party just as I’ve given up the Democrat party in the past. I view them both as hypocrites. It’s funny you’re saying all of the bullshit that is the current Republican party. Those are the exact reason why I’ve given up on them I see them as nothing but hypocrites. Small government my ass. Same as the Dems, pro choice my ass. I personally would like to see the Alt-Right blow up the republican party. I’m tired of these spineless Republicans in congress.
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I agree both are hypocrites. And I should have been clear. Bullshit happens in both party. There’s the typical political bullshit, you just accept that it’s just a bunch of politicians hand waving, and going with the flow. And then there’s someone who is so blunt on projecting racism and more than 40+% of the american population is ok with it. That’s disturbing. That to me makes me think are we really doing that much better, or are we moving backwards.

[quote]personally think there aren’t as many hardcore Trump supporter who think like what you’re describing. I’m guessing around 20% of the Republican, which is about 5% of Americans. The rest either are just tired of the political class and just want to blow shit up or they’re exactly like you and are voting for the lesser of the two evil.
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Maybe, I would like you to be correct

[quote] But I did vote for ALL Dems in the down ballot with hope to blow up the Republican party.
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I don’t get this. Why? In CA, there are more republicans that are more moderate than at the national level. Many don’t even agree with what is coming out of Alt-right, and have even gone on record being anti-alt-right/trumpist, well before Trump’s ratings took a nose dive. If you don’t want what something like SCA-5 to happen again, in CA, you don’t want to see CA state assembly/senate regain a supermajority.

I’m actually kind of chuckling at this because it seems like this time, we’re doing the exact opposite. At the local level, I voted for every republican I could that wasn’t a trump supporter, and made sure all the democrats that either voted for SCA-5 or thought it was ok didn’t get my vote.

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Well, Hillary did vote for the Iraq war, going into and staying in Afghanistan, going into and staying in Libya, going into and staying in Syria. So, in term of war, I’m not sure she’ll do anything different than Bush or Obama.
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Ok, good point…

[quote=flu]I guess this is what’s causing us to diverge in deciding who to vote for. I view 4-8 years as short term. I’m sure I can do more than survive 4-8 years regardless of Trump or Hillary. I don’t think both can do that much serious damage in 4-8 years, which I consider as short term. Long term to me is more like 20+ years. I look at the policies both are peddling and see how it will affect me, my kids, my grand kids, etc.[/quote]

I guess the difference here is my age versus your age. 8 years, this will impact my kid. and 20 years, I’ll probably be dead, so it won’t matter 🙂

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=AN]Well, Hillary did vote for the Iraq war, going into and staying in Afghanistan, going into and staying in Libya, going into and staying in Syria. So, in term of war, I’m not sure she’ll do anything different than Bush or Obama.
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You have not been paying attention. Obama is not the same a Bush. It you really believe that, then it just shows your mind is good at deflecting inconvenient truths.

Republicans are very trigger happy have been accusing democrats of being weak on defense for decades.

Democrats were very reluctant and many were maligned as unpatriotic. All my republican friends were fully supporting the war on Iraq. They were watching CNN marveling at shock and awe and how badass we were, celebrating war. Of course, they have conveniently forgotten.

[meadandale]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
Not just Trump and his supporter but other elements of the Republican party. Unless, you look white, you don’t belong and you will always be questioned[/quote]

This is ridiculous…You’ve been spending too much time on HuffPo and The Daily Kos.

[an]

[quote=flu]
I don’t get this. Why? In CA, there are more republicans that are more moderate than at the national level. Many don’t even agree with what is coming out of Alt-right, and have even gone on record being anti-alt-right/trumpist, well before Trump’s ratings took a nose dive. If you don’t want what something like SCA-5 to happen again, in CA, you don’t want to see CA state assembly/senate regain a supermajority.

I’m actually kind of chuckling at this because it seems like this time, we’re doing the exact opposite. At the local level, I voted for every republican I could that wasn’t a trump supporter, and made sure all the democrats that either voted for SCA-5 or thought it was ok didn’t get my vote. [/quote]The main reason why I voted all Dems down ballot is because 1) like you, I want to vote for all the opponents of those who don’t refute Trump 2) I want to blow up the Republican party. Even if they don’t get blown up, at least I’m casting my protest vote, saying that it’s not OK for have Trump be your torchbearer.

[quote=flu]I guess the difference here is my age versus your age. 8 years, this will impact my kid. and 20 years, I’ll probably be dead, so it won’t matter :)[/quote]I personally am a planner and I have confidence in myself to be able to handle whatever Trump or Clinton can throw at me. So, I’m not too concern about 4-8 years. However, I want my kids and grandkids to have more opportunities and success. Which is why I’m more concerned of 20+ years, even if I would be dead by then.

[an]

[quote=FlyerInHi]AN, you want to blow up thr Republican Party but you also want a counter to democrats. If you’re center right, you should help the Republicans abandon their wacky positions.

I personally think Republicans need to pay dear price for enabling the extremists within their party. Another 16 years out of the White House sounds good to me. Just think about it, California and Hawaii, dominated by democrats, are nice places to live. I don’t see people moving to Kansas where the economy has been destroyed by a republican governor.[/quote]I’m not center right. I’m more liberal than most democrats in social policies and more conservative than most republican in fiscal policies.

Your CA/HI example is extremely poor. Those are the two states w/ the best weather IMHO. If it’s not for the weather, I wouldn’t be here. It’s like living in paradise, I can put up w/ a lot of shit in order to live in paradise.

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