HS teacher-$70K for 9 months of work

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[quote=Hobie]My vote is to pay teachers very well but tie it to independent performance reviews. ( Careful with this item as it needs more details which begets a new thread)

If you really want to complain, how about the $100-150k salaries for the 2-4 vice principals/high school. And even with that, there hands are tied in expelling problem kids. So are they really necessary at such a cost?

Not to mention the layers of staffing at the District level, State Board of Ed is even fatter.[/quote]

Hobie is on the money with the above. My poor mother works in the Clark County (read Vegas) school district. I won’t say what she does for her safety but year after year she deals with principal rejects (meaning the inept ones) that get put in to the administration areas. They often lack the general skills to do this kind of work and are placed into position that they have no familiarity with. Those wrecking the department and angering others who, while are just uneducated clerks, having beening doing the job for years and know the process. Mean while they draw 120K plus… As much as 180K for certain positions (put as my mother admits those top position usually have excellent ppl fullfilling those spots) have little stress (because they bet the slaves and throw them under the bus) and draw good retirement packages when well trained administrators could be doing the job for half the salary and competently do the job.

P.S. I have dated many elementary teachers (maybe a school boy fantasy thing?) and the committed ones always seem to work 40 plus. I couldn’t do thier job. More power and more money to them…

And yes… During the last recession I thought about becoming a Math teacher… They simply cant find ppl to do the job…

CE

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[quote=SD Realtor]Actually no it is not. I have been an ASIC engineer for over 20 years with work at General Instrument, Motorola, 2 startups, IDT and AMCC. I have been in both roles of designer and manager. I also have a few kids as well.

I have faced those same deadline pressures, code release dates, tapeout dates, yada yada. I have seen 1 line of code ruin entire mask sets. So it goes. I have had to patch code in the middle of the night as well.

I also have kids and understand the challenges of raising them. The bottom line is, if you have kids, your teacher will spend more waking time with your kids then you will over a year for most working folks. You may want to call them a glorified babysitter if you want.

For me working a 60 or 70 hour week surrounded by engineers and writing code/running sims/ etc is easier then kids. I think that for 80 or 90% of the engineers out there, the same would be true. So you can talk about the pressures and such, and validate the job in that manner, however I think the teaching job would actually be harder for you. Your skill set of writing code may not necessarly translate to the tedium and patience required of teaching.[/quote]

I don’t have kids but have worked as a tutor on a indian reservation (read combat duty) and while I agree with what you say SD about pay I don’t think to say that teachers have the same training as us engineers. That simply isn’t true or even close!

But to have to deal with kids… Man that is so much more difficult (in a different way) to deal with.

I just take objection to the training…

Still love ya though! 😛

CE

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[quote=SD Realtor]Actually no it is not. I have been an ASIC engineer for over 20 years with work at General Instrument, Motorola, 2 startups, IDT and AMCC. I have been in both roles of designer and manager. I also have a few kids as well.

I have faced those same deadline pressures, code release dates, tapeout dates, yada yada. I have seen 1 line of code ruin entire mask sets. So it goes. I have had to patch code in the middle of the night as well.

I also have kids and understand the challenges of raising them. The bottom line is, if you have kids, your teacher will spend more waking time with your kids then you will over a year for most working folks. You may want to call them a glorified babysitter if you want.

For me working a 60 or 70 hour week surrounded by engineers and writing code/running sims/ etc is easier then kids. I think that for 80 or 90% of the engineers out there, the same would be true. So you can talk about the pressures and such, and validate the job in that manner, however I think the teaching job would actually be harder for you. Your skill set of writing code may not necessarly translate to the tedium and patience required of teaching.[/quote]

I don’t have kids but have worked as a tutor on a indian reservation (read combat duty) and while I agree with what you say SD about pay I don’t think to say that teachers have the same training as us engineers. That simply isn’t true or even close!

But to have to deal with kids… Man that is so much more difficult (in a different way) to deal with.

I just take objection to the training…

Still love ya though! 😛

CE

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[quote=SD Realtor]Actually no it is not. I have been an ASIC engineer for over 20 years with work at General Instrument, Motorola, 2 startups, IDT and AMCC. I have been in both roles of designer and manager. I also have a few kids as well.

I have faced those same deadline pressures, code release dates, tapeout dates, yada yada. I have seen 1 line of code ruin entire mask sets. So it goes. I have had to patch code in the middle of the night as well.

I also have kids and understand the challenges of raising them. The bottom line is, if you have kids, your teacher will spend more waking time with your kids then you will over a year for most working folks. You may want to call them a glorified babysitter if you want.

For me working a 60 or 70 hour week surrounded by engineers and writing code/running sims/ etc is easier then kids. I think that for 80 or 90% of the engineers out there, the same would be true. So you can talk about the pressures and such, and validate the job in that manner, however I think the teaching job would actually be harder for you. Your skill set of writing code may not necessarly translate to the tedium and patience required of teaching.[/quote]

I don’t have kids but have worked as a tutor on a indian reservation (read combat duty) and while I agree with what you say SD about pay I don’t think to say that teachers have the same training as us engineers. That simply isn’t true or even close!

But to have to deal with kids… Man that is so much more difficult (in a different way) to deal with.

I just take objection to the training…

Still love ya though! 😛

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=SD Realtor]Actually no it is not. I have been an ASIC engineer for over 20 years with work at General Instrument, Motorola, 2 startups, IDT and AMCC. I have been in both roles of designer and manager. I also have a few kids as well.

I have faced those same deadline pressures, code release dates, tapeout dates, yada yada. I have seen 1 line of code ruin entire mask sets. So it goes. I have had to patch code in the middle of the night as well.

I also have kids and understand the challenges of raising them. The bottom line is, if you have kids, your teacher will spend more waking time with your kids then you will over a year for most working folks. You may want to call them a glorified babysitter if you want.

For me working a 60 or 70 hour week surrounded by engineers and writing code/running sims/ etc is easier then kids. I think that for 80 or 90% of the engineers out there, the same would be true. So you can talk about the pressures and such, and validate the job in that manner, however I think the teaching job would actually be harder for you. Your skill set of writing code may not necessarly translate to the tedium and patience required of teaching.[/quote]

I don’t have kids but have worked as a tutor on a indian reservation (read combat duty) and while I agree with what you say SD about pay I don’t think to say that teachers have the same training as us engineers. That simply isn’t true or even close!

But to have to deal with kids… Man that is so much more difficult (in a different way) to deal with.

I just take objection to the training…

Still love ya though! 😛

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=SD Realtor]Actually no it is not. I have been an ASIC engineer for over 20 years with work at General Instrument, Motorola, 2 startups, IDT and AMCC. I have been in both roles of designer and manager. I also have a few kids as well.

I have faced those same deadline pressures, code release dates, tapeout dates, yada yada. I have seen 1 line of code ruin entire mask sets. So it goes. I have had to patch code in the middle of the night as well.

I also have kids and understand the challenges of raising them. The bottom line is, if you have kids, your teacher will spend more waking time with your kids then you will over a year for most working folks. You may want to call them a glorified babysitter if you want.

For me working a 60 or 70 hour week surrounded by engineers and writing code/running sims/ etc is easier then kids. I think that for 80 or 90% of the engineers out there, the same would be true. So you can talk about the pressures and such, and validate the job in that manner, however I think the teaching job would actually be harder for you. Your skill set of writing code may not necessarly translate to the tedium and patience required of teaching.[/quote]

I don’t have kids but have worked as a tutor on a indian reservation (read combat duty) and while I agree with what you say SD about pay I don’t think to say that teachers have the same training as us engineers. That simply isn’t true or even close!

But to have to deal with kids… Man that is so much more difficult (in a different way) to deal with.

I just take objection to the training…

Still love ya though! 😛

CE

[an]

[quote=Sandiagon]Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. When you do something you’re good at and likes, it’s not hard, but to do something you don’t like, it’s quite hard. I think nursing jobs are crazy hard and can’t picture myself being able to do it for very long. My wife, who’s a nurse, on the other hand thinks engineering is crazy hard and can’t picture herself sitting at a desk for 8+ hrs. a day, everyday. Yet, we both like our profession, so we think what we do isn’t crazy hard.

[an]

[quote=Sandiagon]Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. When you do something you’re good at and likes, it’s not hard, but to do something you don’t like, it’s quite hard. I think nursing jobs are crazy hard and can’t picture myself being able to do it for very long. My wife, who’s a nurse, on the other hand thinks engineering is crazy hard and can’t picture herself sitting at a desk for 8+ hrs. a day, everyday. Yet, we both like our profession, so we think what we do isn’t crazy hard.

[an]

[quote=Sandiagon]Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. When you do something you’re good at and likes, it’s not hard, but to do something you don’t like, it’s quite hard. I think nursing jobs are crazy hard and can’t picture myself being able to do it for very long. My wife, who’s a nurse, on the other hand thinks engineering is crazy hard and can’t picture herself sitting at a desk for 8+ hrs. a day, everyday. Yet, we both like our profession, so we think what we do isn’t crazy hard.

[an]

[quote=Sandiagon]Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. When you do something you’re good at and likes, it’s not hard, but to do something you don’t like, it’s quite hard. I think nursing jobs are crazy hard and can’t picture myself being able to do it for very long. My wife, who’s a nurse, on the other hand thinks engineering is crazy hard and can’t picture herself sitting at a desk for 8+ hrs. a day, everyday. Yet, we both like our profession, so we think what we do isn’t crazy hard.

[an]

[quote=Sandiagon]Every skill is different. Teaching skill may be hard, if you do not have passionate in teaching. Same thing is applicable to coding or programming. If you have passionate of the work, that skill is not hard.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. When you do something you’re good at and likes, it’s not hard, but to do something you don’t like, it’s quite hard. I think nursing jobs are crazy hard and can’t picture myself being able to do it for very long. My wife, who’s a nurse, on the other hand thinks engineering is crazy hard and can’t picture herself sitting at a desk for 8+ hrs. a day, everyday. Yet, we both like our profession, so we think what we do isn’t crazy hard.

[teaboy]

Americans are all overpaid, not just teachers. Try maintaining the same living standard in any other country on the equivalent wages and you’ll quickly see how you have it good here in the US.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/11/news/international/global_american_wages.breakingviews/index.htm

TB

[teaboy]

Americans are all overpaid, not just teachers. Try maintaining the same living standard in any other country on the equivalent wages and you’ll quickly see how you have it good here in the US.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/11/news/international/global_american_wages.breakingviews/index.htm

TB

[teaboy]

Americans are all overpaid, not just teachers. Try maintaining the same living standard in any other country on the equivalent wages and you’ll quickly see how you have it good here in the US.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/11/news/international/global_american_wages.breakingviews/index.htm

TB

[teaboy]

Americans are all overpaid, not just teachers. Try maintaining the same living standard in any other country on the equivalent wages and you’ll quickly see how you have it good here in the US.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/11/news/international/global_american_wages.breakingviews/index.htm

TB

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