How is this not a formula for looting the U. S. Treasury?

[TheBreeze]

You guys, You guys! Calm down! Bernanke is a fighter! He’s the smartest guy in the room! Sure the guy hasn’t gotten anything right since he’s been at the Fed, but that’s all about to change.

Just joshing. Bernanke’s a fucking corrupt tool and this looting is already happening:

Has the Gaming of the Public-Private Partnership Begun?

[nccoastalseller]

All of these “quick fix” toxic asset relief schemes fall under the category “sound financial innovation”. Nothing more than powers that be trying to maintain control. They either paper over this mess keeping the sheeple in the dark for few more years or this is the beginning of the end for fractional reserve lending.

[nccoastalseller]

All of these “quick fix” toxic asset relief schemes fall under the category “sound financial innovation”. Nothing more than powers that be trying to maintain control. They either paper over this mess keeping the sheeple in the dark for few more years or this is the beginning of the end for fractional reserve lending.

[nccoastalseller]

All of these “quick fix” toxic asset relief schemes fall under the category “sound financial innovation”. Nothing more than powers that be trying to maintain control. They either paper over this mess keeping the sheeple in the dark for few more years or this is the beginning of the end for fractional reserve lending.

[nccoastalseller]

All of these “quick fix” toxic asset relief schemes fall under the category “sound financial innovation”. Nothing more than powers that be trying to maintain control. They either paper over this mess keeping the sheeple in the dark for few more years or this is the beginning of the end for fractional reserve lending.

[nccoastalseller]

All of these “quick fix” toxic asset relief schemes fall under the category “sound financial innovation”. Nothing more than powers that be trying to maintain control. They either paper over this mess keeping the sheeple in the dark for few more years or this is the beginning of the end for fractional reserve lending.

[UCGal]

[quote=Diego Mamani]Let’s see an example. “Bank” has a mortgage-backed security (MBS) with original par (nominal) value of $100. In 2008 Bank “marked-to-market” and now values the MBS at $95 in its books. But we all know that this MBS is worth a lot less, maybe less than $60, but Bank won’t acknowledge reality.

In 2009 we have the new Treasury plan, whereby “Peter” buys this MBS, for say, $90. That’s because the bank won’t take anything less. If it did, Bank would be shown to be insolvent and would be out of business.

Peter puts only $6 out of pocket. Uncle Sam puts another $6, and the remainder $78 is a nonrecourse loan from Uncle Sam to Peter. (Total, $90).

Then Peter turns around and sells the MBS to his pal “Paul” for $48. Paul pays $48 b/c he thinks the MBS is actually worth $58 as justified by what the homeowners will actually pay in monthly mortgage payments.

Peter’s $6 investment is wiped out. So is the govt’s $6. And the $48 Peter gets from Paul goes to pay back the govt loan of $78. So now, Peter lost $6 but Uncle Sam lost $36 ($84-$48).

Since Peter and Paul are buddies (co-conspirators), the latter can compensate Peter. Say, Paul gives Peter his $6 plus another $2 for his troubles. Paul pays $48 for something worth $58, but because he gave $8 to Peter, his profit is only $2. And the banks get fully $90 for paper that is worth actually $58.

Summary:
Peter puts in $6, makes $2 profit
Paul puts in $48, makes $2 profit
U.S. puts in $84, makes a $36 LOSS
Bank had paper that was really worth $58 but got $90 for it, makes a $32 profit

Yes, I agree with the OP, this is wholesale looting of the US Treasury. Us taxpayers foot the bill and will pay for it in a combination of higher inflation and higher taxes. The important thing is that the Wall Street types who caused this crisis will get to keep their Ferraris and juicy bonuses, and won’t have to fly coach or go without their manicures, god forbid.
[/quote]

One small quibble with this… as I read it, the non-recourse loan is backed by the FDIC. Now the FDIC doesn’t have enough money to bail out the banks that are failing, but they do have a line of credit… But, in theory, they will charge the remaining (non-failed) banks higher premiums to make up for these losses…

So at least some of the transfer of wealth is from healthy banks to sick banks – with the taxpayer covering the losses in the meantime.

I forgot where I read this, but it made sense.

[UCGal]

[quote=Diego Mamani]Let’s see an example. “Bank” has a mortgage-backed security (MBS) with original par (nominal) value of $100. In 2008 Bank “marked-to-market” and now values the MBS at $95 in its books. But we all know that this MBS is worth a lot less, maybe less than $60, but Bank won’t acknowledge reality.

In 2009 we have the new Treasury plan, whereby “Peter” buys this MBS, for say, $90. That’s because the bank won’t take anything less. If it did, Bank would be shown to be insolvent and would be out of business.

Peter puts only $6 out of pocket. Uncle Sam puts another $6, and the remainder $78 is a nonrecourse loan from Uncle Sam to Peter. (Total, $90).

Then Peter turns around and sells the MBS to his pal “Paul” for $48. Paul pays $48 b/c he thinks the MBS is actually worth $58 as justified by what the homeowners will actually pay in monthly mortgage payments.

Peter’s $6 investment is wiped out. So is the govt’s $6. And the $48 Peter gets from Paul goes to pay back the govt loan of $78. So now, Peter lost $6 but Uncle Sam lost $36 ($84-$48).

Since Peter and Paul are buddies (co-conspirators), the latter can compensate Peter. Say, Paul gives Peter his $6 plus another $2 for his troubles. Paul pays $48 for something worth $58, but because he gave $8 to Peter, his profit is only $2. And the banks get fully $90 for paper that is worth actually $58.

Summary:
Peter puts in $6, makes $2 profit
Paul puts in $48, makes $2 profit
U.S. puts in $84, makes a $36 LOSS
Bank had paper that was really worth $58 but got $90 for it, makes a $32 profit

Yes, I agree with the OP, this is wholesale looting of the US Treasury. Us taxpayers foot the bill and will pay for it in a combination of higher inflation and higher taxes. The important thing is that the Wall Street types who caused this crisis will get to keep their Ferraris and juicy bonuses, and won’t have to fly coach or go without their manicures, god forbid.
[/quote]

One small quibble with this… as I read it, the non-recourse loan is backed by the FDIC. Now the FDIC doesn’t have enough money to bail out the banks that are failing, but they do have a line of credit… But, in theory, they will charge the remaining (non-failed) banks higher premiums to make up for these losses…

So at least some of the transfer of wealth is from healthy banks to sick banks – with the taxpayer covering the losses in the meantime.

I forgot where I read this, but it made sense.

[UCGal]

[quote=Diego Mamani]Let’s see an example. “Bank” has a mortgage-backed security (MBS) with original par (nominal) value of $100. In 2008 Bank “marked-to-market” and now values the MBS at $95 in its books. But we all know that this MBS is worth a lot less, maybe less than $60, but Bank won’t acknowledge reality.

In 2009 we have the new Treasury plan, whereby “Peter” buys this MBS, for say, $90. That’s because the bank won’t take anything less. If it did, Bank would be shown to be insolvent and would be out of business.

Peter puts only $6 out of pocket. Uncle Sam puts another $6, and the remainder $78 is a nonrecourse loan from Uncle Sam to Peter. (Total, $90).

Then Peter turns around and sells the MBS to his pal “Paul” for $48. Paul pays $48 b/c he thinks the MBS is actually worth $58 as justified by what the homeowners will actually pay in monthly mortgage payments.

Peter’s $6 investment is wiped out. So is the govt’s $6. And the $48 Peter gets from Paul goes to pay back the govt loan of $78. So now, Peter lost $6 but Uncle Sam lost $36 ($84-$48).

Since Peter and Paul are buddies (co-conspirators), the latter can compensate Peter. Say, Paul gives Peter his $6 plus another $2 for his troubles. Paul pays $48 for something worth $58, but because he gave $8 to Peter, his profit is only $2. And the banks get fully $90 for paper that is worth actually $58.

Summary:
Peter puts in $6, makes $2 profit
Paul puts in $48, makes $2 profit
U.S. puts in $84, makes a $36 LOSS
Bank had paper that was really worth $58 but got $90 for it, makes a $32 profit

Yes, I agree with the OP, this is wholesale looting of the US Treasury. Us taxpayers foot the bill and will pay for it in a combination of higher inflation and higher taxes. The important thing is that the Wall Street types who caused this crisis will get to keep their Ferraris and juicy bonuses, and won’t have to fly coach or go without their manicures, god forbid.
[/quote]

One small quibble with this… as I read it, the non-recourse loan is backed by the FDIC. Now the FDIC doesn’t have enough money to bail out the banks that are failing, but they do have a line of credit… But, in theory, they will charge the remaining (non-failed) banks higher premiums to make up for these losses…

So at least some of the transfer of wealth is from healthy banks to sick banks – with the taxpayer covering the losses in the meantime.

I forgot where I read this, but it made sense.

[UCGal]

[quote=Diego Mamani]Let’s see an example. “Bank” has a mortgage-backed security (MBS) with original par (nominal) value of $100. In 2008 Bank “marked-to-market” and now values the MBS at $95 in its books. But we all know that this MBS is worth a lot less, maybe less than $60, but Bank won’t acknowledge reality.

In 2009 we have the new Treasury plan, whereby “Peter” buys this MBS, for say, $90. That’s because the bank won’t take anything less. If it did, Bank would be shown to be insolvent and would be out of business.

Peter puts only $6 out of pocket. Uncle Sam puts another $6, and the remainder $78 is a nonrecourse loan from Uncle Sam to Peter. (Total, $90).

Then Peter turns around and sells the MBS to his pal “Paul” for $48. Paul pays $48 b/c he thinks the MBS is actually worth $58 as justified by what the homeowners will actually pay in monthly mortgage payments.

Peter’s $6 investment is wiped out. So is the govt’s $6. And the $48 Peter gets from Paul goes to pay back the govt loan of $78. So now, Peter lost $6 but Uncle Sam lost $36 ($84-$48).

Since Peter and Paul are buddies (co-conspirators), the latter can compensate Peter. Say, Paul gives Peter his $6 plus another $2 for his troubles. Paul pays $48 for something worth $58, but because he gave $8 to Peter, his profit is only $2. And the banks get fully $90 for paper that is worth actually $58.

Summary:
Peter puts in $6, makes $2 profit
Paul puts in $48, makes $2 profit
U.S. puts in $84, makes a $36 LOSS
Bank had paper that was really worth $58 but got $90 for it, makes a $32 profit

Yes, I agree with the OP, this is wholesale looting of the US Treasury. Us taxpayers foot the bill and will pay for it in a combination of higher inflation and higher taxes. The important thing is that the Wall Street types who caused this crisis will get to keep their Ferraris and juicy bonuses, and won’t have to fly coach or go without their manicures, god forbid.
[/quote]

One small quibble with this… as I read it, the non-recourse loan is backed by the FDIC. Now the FDIC doesn’t have enough money to bail out the banks that are failing, but they do have a line of credit… But, in theory, they will charge the remaining (non-failed) banks higher premiums to make up for these losses…

So at least some of the transfer of wealth is from healthy banks to sick banks – with the taxpayer covering the losses in the meantime.

I forgot where I read this, but it made sense.

[UCGal]

[quote=Diego Mamani]Let’s see an example. “Bank” has a mortgage-backed security (MBS) with original par (nominal) value of $100. In 2008 Bank “marked-to-market” and now values the MBS at $95 in its books. But we all know that this MBS is worth a lot less, maybe less than $60, but Bank won’t acknowledge reality.

In 2009 we have the new Treasury plan, whereby “Peter” buys this MBS, for say, $90. That’s because the bank won’t take anything less. If it did, Bank would be shown to be insolvent and would be out of business.

Peter puts only $6 out of pocket. Uncle Sam puts another $6, and the remainder $78 is a nonrecourse loan from Uncle Sam to Peter. (Total, $90).

Then Peter turns around and sells the MBS to his pal “Paul” for $48. Paul pays $48 b/c he thinks the MBS is actually worth $58 as justified by what the homeowners will actually pay in monthly mortgage payments.

Peter’s $6 investment is wiped out. So is the govt’s $6. And the $48 Peter gets from Paul goes to pay back the govt loan of $78. So now, Peter lost $6 but Uncle Sam lost $36 ($84-$48).

Since Peter and Paul are buddies (co-conspirators), the latter can compensate Peter. Say, Paul gives Peter his $6 plus another $2 for his troubles. Paul pays $48 for something worth $58, but because he gave $8 to Peter, his profit is only $2. And the banks get fully $90 for paper that is worth actually $58.

Summary:
Peter puts in $6, makes $2 profit
Paul puts in $48, makes $2 profit
U.S. puts in $84, makes a $36 LOSS
Bank had paper that was really worth $58 but got $90 for it, makes a $32 profit

Yes, I agree with the OP, this is wholesale looting of the US Treasury. Us taxpayers foot the bill and will pay for it in a combination of higher inflation and higher taxes. The important thing is that the Wall Street types who caused this crisis will get to keep their Ferraris and juicy bonuses, and won’t have to fly coach or go without their manicures, god forbid.
[/quote]

One small quibble with this… as I read it, the non-recourse loan is backed by the FDIC. Now the FDIC doesn’t have enough money to bail out the banks that are failing, but they do have a line of credit… But, in theory, they will charge the remaining (non-failed) banks higher premiums to make up for these losses…

So at least some of the transfer of wealth is from healthy banks to sick banks – with the taxpayer covering the losses in the meantime.

I forgot where I read this, but it made sense.

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