HOA dues vs fines: lien authority

[werewolf34]

Truth is kids play video games and don’t learn mechanical skills. Why do you think mechanics can charge 70-100/hr in a recession?

[an]

[quote=werewolf34]Truth is kids play video games and don’t learn mechanical skills. Why do you think mechanics can charge 70-100/hr in a recession?[/quote]
Way to generalize. Kids learning or not learning mechanical skills have nothing to do with the rates mechanics charge. The rates is purely market driven (supply and demand). People can do A LOT of the maintenance and repair themselves, but they choose not to. I start to help my dad work on his car when I was in HS and start modifying my own car when I was in college. Kids play video games because the parents let them. Where do you think they get the money to buy those video games?

[an]

[quote=werewolf34]Truth is kids play video games and don’t learn mechanical skills. Why do you think mechanics can charge 70-100/hr in a recession?[/quote]
Way to generalize. Kids learning or not learning mechanical skills have nothing to do with the rates mechanics charge. The rates is purely market driven (supply and demand). People can do A LOT of the maintenance and repair themselves, but they choose not to. I start to help my dad work on his car when I was in HS and start modifying my own car when I was in college. Kids play video games because the parents let them. Where do you think they get the money to buy those video games?

[an]

[quote=werewolf34]Truth is kids play video games and don’t learn mechanical skills. Why do you think mechanics can charge 70-100/hr in a recession?[/quote]
Way to generalize. Kids learning or not learning mechanical skills have nothing to do with the rates mechanics charge. The rates is purely market driven (supply and demand). People can do A LOT of the maintenance and repair themselves, but they choose not to. I start to help my dad work on his car when I was in HS and start modifying my own car when I was in college. Kids play video games because the parents let them. Where do you think they get the money to buy those video games?

[an]

[quote=werewolf34]Truth is kids play video games and don’t learn mechanical skills. Why do you think mechanics can charge 70-100/hr in a recession?[/quote]
Way to generalize. Kids learning or not learning mechanical skills have nothing to do with the rates mechanics charge. The rates is purely market driven (supply and demand). People can do A LOT of the maintenance and repair themselves, but they choose not to. I start to help my dad work on his car when I was in HS and start modifying my own car when I was in college. Kids play video games because the parents let them. Where do you think they get the money to buy those video games?

[an]

[quote=werewolf34]Truth is kids play video games and don’t learn mechanical skills. Why do you think mechanics can charge 70-100/hr in a recession?[/quote]
Way to generalize. Kids learning or not learning mechanical skills have nothing to do with the rates mechanics charge. The rates is purely market driven (supply and demand). People can do A LOT of the maintenance and repair themselves, but they choose not to. I start to help my dad work on his car when I was in HS and start modifying my own car when I was in college. Kids play video games because the parents let them. Where do you think they get the money to buy those video games?

[werewolf34]

You honestly think you took a random sample of 100 teenagers in SD now vs 10 yrs ago, that the NOW sample has anywhere near the same mechanical ability and know-how (car repair, home repair, electricals)?

I don’t.

Also ‘choosing not to’ isn’t a choice. We work longer days now (most of us in the private sector) and cars are more advanced so I don’t think it’s a choice.

[werewolf34]

You honestly think you took a random sample of 100 teenagers in SD now vs 10 yrs ago, that the NOW sample has anywhere near the same mechanical ability and know-how (car repair, home repair, electricals)?

I don’t.

Also ‘choosing not to’ isn’t a choice. We work longer days now (most of us in the private sector) and cars are more advanced so I don’t think it’s a choice.

[werewolf34]

You honestly think you took a random sample of 100 teenagers in SD now vs 10 yrs ago, that the NOW sample has anywhere near the same mechanical ability and know-how (car repair, home repair, electricals)?

I don’t.

Also ‘choosing not to’ isn’t a choice. We work longer days now (most of us in the private sector) and cars are more advanced so I don’t think it’s a choice.

[werewolf34]

You honestly think you took a random sample of 100 teenagers in SD now vs 10 yrs ago, that the NOW sample has anywhere near the same mechanical ability and know-how (car repair, home repair, electricals)?

I don’t.

Also ‘choosing not to’ isn’t a choice. We work longer days now (most of us in the private sector) and cars are more advanced so I don’t think it’s a choice.

[werewolf34]

You honestly think you took a random sample of 100 teenagers in SD now vs 10 yrs ago, that the NOW sample has anywhere near the same mechanical ability and know-how (car repair, home repair, electricals)?

I don’t.

Also ‘choosing not to’ isn’t a choice. We work longer days now (most of us in the private sector) and cars are more advanced so I don’t think it’s a choice.

[svelte]

[quote=vegasrenter]I heard from a dubious source that although non-payment of HOA dues will result in a lien on your property, the nuisance fines from the HOA fun police are not really enforceable, that you can ignore them and there’s nothing that the HOA can do about it. True/False? More complicated than that?[/quote]

More complicated than that. The Davis-Stirling Act (CA law about HOAs) states the following:

– HOAs can lien your property for non-payment of regular assessments, special assessments, late charges, cost of collection, attorneys fees, and reasonable fees.

– A monetary charge imposed by the association as a means of reimbursing the association for costs incurred by the association in the repair of damage to common areas and facilities for which the member or member’s guesta or tenants were responsible may be come a lien.

So technically, unless the penalty was for common area damage, the penalty cannot be the basis for the lien.

However, the association can still take you to small claims court and get a judgement against you.

Ball’s in your court.

[svelte]

[quote=vegasrenter]I heard from a dubious source that although non-payment of HOA dues will result in a lien on your property, the nuisance fines from the HOA fun police are not really enforceable, that you can ignore them and there’s nothing that the HOA can do about it. True/False? More complicated than that?[/quote]

More complicated than that. The Davis-Stirling Act (CA law about HOAs) states the following:

– HOAs can lien your property for non-payment of regular assessments, special assessments, late charges, cost of collection, attorneys fees, and reasonable fees.

– A monetary charge imposed by the association as a means of reimbursing the association for costs incurred by the association in the repair of damage to common areas and facilities for which the member or member’s guesta or tenants were responsible may be come a lien.

So technically, unless the penalty was for common area damage, the penalty cannot be the basis for the lien.

However, the association can still take you to small claims court and get a judgement against you.

Ball’s in your court.

[svelte]

[quote=vegasrenter]I heard from a dubious source that although non-payment of HOA dues will result in a lien on your property, the nuisance fines from the HOA fun police are not really enforceable, that you can ignore them and there’s nothing that the HOA can do about it. True/False? More complicated than that?[/quote]

More complicated than that. The Davis-Stirling Act (CA law about HOAs) states the following:

– HOAs can lien your property for non-payment of regular assessments, special assessments, late charges, cost of collection, attorneys fees, and reasonable fees.

– A monetary charge imposed by the association as a means of reimbursing the association for costs incurred by the association in the repair of damage to common areas and facilities for which the member or member’s guesta or tenants were responsible may be come a lien.

So technically, unless the penalty was for common area damage, the penalty cannot be the basis for the lien.

However, the association can still take you to small claims court and get a judgement against you.

Ball’s in your court.

[svelte]

[quote=vegasrenter]I heard from a dubious source that although non-payment of HOA dues will result in a lien on your property, the nuisance fines from the HOA fun police are not really enforceable, that you can ignore them and there’s nothing that the HOA can do about it. True/False? More complicated than that?[/quote]

More complicated than that. The Davis-Stirling Act (CA law about HOAs) states the following:

– HOAs can lien your property for non-payment of regular assessments, special assessments, late charges, cost of collection, attorneys fees, and reasonable fees.

– A monetary charge imposed by the association as a means of reimbursing the association for costs incurred by the association in the repair of damage to common areas and facilities for which the member or member’s guesta or tenants were responsible may be come a lien.

So technically, unless the penalty was for common area damage, the penalty cannot be the basis for the lien.

However, the association can still take you to small claims court and get a judgement against you.

Ball’s in your court.

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