Historians predict McCain will lose

[Aecetia]

Whether it is McCain or Obama, they will be dealing with a difficult world and not just one bellicose adversary, but many. Putin is no Gorbachev. He is much worse.

[gandalf]

cdma,

I can share my rationale. I was ‘R’ throughout the 90’s but strongly disapprove of current Republican direction/leadership, “Terri Schiavo Syndrome”. As many in my generation (X) are, I’m a fiscal and foreign policy conservative, progressive or libertarian on social issues (eg. I could care less about gay marriage). Three main reasons I support Obama:

1. Pragmatic foreign policy
2. Sensible energy policy
3. Throw the partisan bums out

Check out the “Obama is Conservative” thread for a reasonable discussion of foreign policy issues. Obama is advocating a return to pragmatism and conservatism. Bush/McCain and the new-age Republicans are ideological and interventionist. Easy to see which candidate aligns with my values.

With energy policy, BO is for R&D into USA energy infrastructure, diversification of sources, emphasis on renewables, conservation and greening our economy. JM is out there blathering about a gas-tax holiday (which is unbelievably retarded, BTW). I can’t understate how important energy policy is becoming, BTW. It’s the issue of our time.

Finally, out of the remaining candidates, BO offers what I believe is our best chance at turning the page on Clinton/Bush partisanship. We’ve had almost 2 decades now of boomer leftie war protesters going at it with moral-majority establishment types, reliving the 60’s and Vietnam, dividing the country into Reds and Blues for cynical political gain.

Obama is the best chance to turn the page. I don’t think I’m being naive here. The rap in the ‘MSM’ is BO’s a radical liberal. If you study his positions, many of them are quite centrist and moderate. Google “Susan Eisenhower and Barack Obama”, give it a read and let me know what you think.

These are the issues that factor into my analysis, and the rationale behind my support for Obama. You can make up your own mind. Enjoy the process.

Regards,
G

[gandalf]

cdma,

I can share my rationale. I was ‘R’ throughout the 90’s but strongly disapprove of current Republican direction/leadership, “Terri Schiavo Syndrome”. As many in my generation (X) are, I’m a fiscal and foreign policy conservative, progressive or libertarian on social issues (eg. I could care less about gay marriage). Three main reasons I support Obama:

1. Pragmatic foreign policy
2. Sensible energy policy
3. Throw the partisan bums out

Check out the “Obama is Conservative” thread for a reasonable discussion of foreign policy issues. Obama is advocating a return to pragmatism and conservatism. Bush/McCain and the new-age Republicans are ideological and interventionist. Easy to see which candidate aligns with my values.

With energy policy, BO is for R&D into USA energy infrastructure, diversification of sources, emphasis on renewables, conservation and greening our economy. JM is out there blathering about a gas-tax holiday (which is unbelievably retarded, BTW). I can’t understate how important energy policy is becoming, BTW. It’s the issue of our time.

Finally, out of the remaining candidates, BO offers what I believe is our best chance at turning the page on Clinton/Bush partisanship. We’ve had almost 2 decades now of boomer leftie war protesters going at it with moral-majority establishment types, reliving the 60’s and Vietnam, dividing the country into Reds and Blues for cynical political gain.

Obama is the best chance to turn the page. I don’t think I’m being naive here. The rap in the ‘MSM’ is BO’s a radical liberal. If you study his positions, many of them are quite centrist and moderate. Google “Susan Eisenhower and Barack Obama”, give it a read and let me know what you think.

These are the issues that factor into my analysis, and the rationale behind my support for Obama. You can make up your own mind. Enjoy the process.

Regards,
G

[gandalf]

cdma,

I can share my rationale. I was ‘R’ throughout the 90’s but strongly disapprove of current Republican direction/leadership, “Terri Schiavo Syndrome”. As many in my generation (X) are, I’m a fiscal and foreign policy conservative, progressive or libertarian on social issues (eg. I could care less about gay marriage). Three main reasons I support Obama:

1. Pragmatic foreign policy
2. Sensible energy policy
3. Throw the partisan bums out

Check out the “Obama is Conservative” thread for a reasonable discussion of foreign policy issues. Obama is advocating a return to pragmatism and conservatism. Bush/McCain and the new-age Republicans are ideological and interventionist. Easy to see which candidate aligns with my values.

With energy policy, BO is for R&D into USA energy infrastructure, diversification of sources, emphasis on renewables, conservation and greening our economy. JM is out there blathering about a gas-tax holiday (which is unbelievably retarded, BTW). I can’t understate how important energy policy is becoming, BTW. It’s the issue of our time.

Finally, out of the remaining candidates, BO offers what I believe is our best chance at turning the page on Clinton/Bush partisanship. We’ve had almost 2 decades now of boomer leftie war protesters going at it with moral-majority establishment types, reliving the 60’s and Vietnam, dividing the country into Reds and Blues for cynical political gain.

Obama is the best chance to turn the page. I don’t think I’m being naive here. The rap in the ‘MSM’ is BO’s a radical liberal. If you study his positions, many of them are quite centrist and moderate. Google “Susan Eisenhower and Barack Obama”, give it a read and let me know what you think.

These are the issues that factor into my analysis, and the rationale behind my support for Obama. You can make up your own mind. Enjoy the process.

Regards,
G

[gandalf]

cdma,

I can share my rationale. I was ‘R’ throughout the 90’s but strongly disapprove of current Republican direction/leadership, “Terri Schiavo Syndrome”. As many in my generation (X) are, I’m a fiscal and foreign policy conservative, progressive or libertarian on social issues (eg. I could care less about gay marriage). Three main reasons I support Obama:

1. Pragmatic foreign policy
2. Sensible energy policy
3. Throw the partisan bums out

Check out the “Obama is Conservative” thread for a reasonable discussion of foreign policy issues. Obama is advocating a return to pragmatism and conservatism. Bush/McCain and the new-age Republicans are ideological and interventionist. Easy to see which candidate aligns with my values.

With energy policy, BO is for R&D into USA energy infrastructure, diversification of sources, emphasis on renewables, conservation and greening our economy. JM is out there blathering about a gas-tax holiday (which is unbelievably retarded, BTW). I can’t understate how important energy policy is becoming, BTW. It’s the issue of our time.

Finally, out of the remaining candidates, BO offers what I believe is our best chance at turning the page on Clinton/Bush partisanship. We’ve had almost 2 decades now of boomer leftie war protesters going at it with moral-majority establishment types, reliving the 60’s and Vietnam, dividing the country into Reds and Blues for cynical political gain.

Obama is the best chance to turn the page. I don’t think I’m being naive here. The rap in the ‘MSM’ is BO’s a radical liberal. If you study his positions, many of them are quite centrist and moderate. Google “Susan Eisenhower and Barack Obama”, give it a read and let me know what you think.

These are the issues that factor into my analysis, and the rationale behind my support for Obama. You can make up your own mind. Enjoy the process.

Regards,
G

[gandalf]

cdma,

I can share my rationale. I was ‘R’ throughout the 90’s but strongly disapprove of current Republican direction/leadership, “Terri Schiavo Syndrome”. As many in my generation (X) are, I’m a fiscal and foreign policy conservative, progressive or libertarian on social issues (eg. I could care less about gay marriage). Three main reasons I support Obama:

1. Pragmatic foreign policy
2. Sensible energy policy
3. Throw the partisan bums out

Check out the “Obama is Conservative” thread for a reasonable discussion of foreign policy issues. Obama is advocating a return to pragmatism and conservatism. Bush/McCain and the new-age Republicans are ideological and interventionist. Easy to see which candidate aligns with my values.

With energy policy, BO is for R&D into USA energy infrastructure, diversification of sources, emphasis on renewables, conservation and greening our economy. JM is out there blathering about a gas-tax holiday (which is unbelievably retarded, BTW). I can’t understate how important energy policy is becoming, BTW. It’s the issue of our time.

Finally, out of the remaining candidates, BO offers what I believe is our best chance at turning the page on Clinton/Bush partisanship. We’ve had almost 2 decades now of boomer leftie war protesters going at it with moral-majority establishment types, reliving the 60’s and Vietnam, dividing the country into Reds and Blues for cynical political gain.

Obama is the best chance to turn the page. I don’t think I’m being naive here. The rap in the ‘MSM’ is BO’s a radical liberal. If you study his positions, many of them are quite centrist and moderate. Google “Susan Eisenhower and Barack Obama”, give it a read and let me know what you think.

These are the issues that factor into my analysis, and the rationale behind my support for Obama. You can make up your own mind. Enjoy the process.

Regards,
G

[Coronita]

[quote]As I understand both Obama and McCain fully support and will probably expand the H-1B programs.

If this is true, both candidates will be working hard to put you out of a job if you happen to work in IT.
[/quote]

I call BS on that one. You just have to stay 1 ahead of the curve.

[Coronita]

[quote]As I understand both Obama and McCain fully support and will probably expand the H-1B programs.

If this is true, both candidates will be working hard to put you out of a job if you happen to work in IT.
[/quote]

I call BS on that one. You just have to stay 1 ahead of the curve.

[Coronita]

[quote]As I understand both Obama and McCain fully support and will probably expand the H-1B programs.

If this is true, both candidates will be working hard to put you out of a job if you happen to work in IT.
[/quote]

I call BS on that one. You just have to stay 1 ahead of the curve.

[Coronita]

[quote]As I understand both Obama and McCain fully support and will probably expand the H-1B programs.

If this is true, both candidates will be working hard to put you out of a job if you happen to work in IT.
[/quote]

I call BS on that one. You just have to stay 1 ahead of the curve.

[Coronita]

[quote]As I understand both Obama and McCain fully support and will probably expand the H-1B programs.

If this is true, both candidates will be working hard to put you out of a job if you happen to work in IT.
[/quote]

I call BS on that one. You just have to stay 1 ahead of the curve.

[CDMA ENG]

Yeah I am with you on a lot of what you have said Grey Pilgrim. I did not like the Schivo thing either and when it comes to the whole Republican – Religious thing I am right with you in disgust.

As for engery policy… Shhhhyyyttttt… Don’t get me started. As some one who has done a little research in the alternative engery area… The R’s have thrown more money at it than the D’s in the last twenty years. But even that is not really a valid arguement when considering the amoutn of money it was. The R’s pushed “a drop in the bucket” kinda of money at it and the D’s pushed a little less than that. Don’t look to either for energy policy. The market will take care of that one on its own. So no… You can’t sell my on that point.

JM blathering about his tax holiday was only supposed to be a temporary thing to give some quick relief to some. It was never intended to be a long term strategy so that is not a valid arguement. And I even have to agree with the policy somewhat because even though oil has fallen I still hear and see people struggling to get to work (at least in the very short term)

As for the paritisanship… McCain was considered an under-dog from day one BECAUSE of his voting record AGAINST the republicans. Remember he has had a hell of a time courting the right and has been considered traitorous because he will not vote party lines. This is the one republican candidate that the democrats should be rooting for. I think he is the most moderate of the other R’s out there. As for Obama I think he would be more polarizing. In his defense I am sure that there are many schmuck R’s out there that would vote against him only because he is a D’s. I think the D’s would be more open minded to JM so you have so wiggle room there.

So inconclusion, you haven’t sold me yet. But I will do my homework that you have asked me to and google that.

I don’t believe that Obama is a flaming liberal lefty. I know that he is more moderate than that but I really think all this Camelot crap is dissaffecting (did I use the word correctly) and most of his team encourge him. I think without all the hype I could be more convinced but he really isn’t going to change the direction of this country dramatically and I am concerned with someone that would propagate that myth.

It is like Frodo said in books… “Some how I think the enemy would look fair and feel foul” to which Aragon replied “while I look foul and feel fair?”. That is how I feel about the two.

Gandalf I will reply when I have read that article chartible. I promised to keep an open mind and I will.

Take Care Piggs!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Yeah I am with you on a lot of what you have said Grey Pilgrim. I did not like the Schivo thing either and when it comes to the whole Republican – Religious thing I am right with you in disgust.

As for engery policy… Shhhhyyyttttt… Don’t get me started. As some one who has done a little research in the alternative engery area… The R’s have thrown more money at it than the D’s in the last twenty years. But even that is not really a valid arguement when considering the amoutn of money it was. The R’s pushed “a drop in the bucket” kinda of money at it and the D’s pushed a little less than that. Don’t look to either for energy policy. The market will take care of that one on its own. So no… You can’t sell my on that point.

JM blathering about his tax holiday was only supposed to be a temporary thing to give some quick relief to some. It was never intended to be a long term strategy so that is not a valid arguement. And I even have to agree with the policy somewhat because even though oil has fallen I still hear and see people struggling to get to work (at least in the very short term)

As for the paritisanship… McCain was considered an under-dog from day one BECAUSE of his voting record AGAINST the republicans. Remember he has had a hell of a time courting the right and has been considered traitorous because he will not vote party lines. This is the one republican candidate that the democrats should be rooting for. I think he is the most moderate of the other R’s out there. As for Obama I think he would be more polarizing. In his defense I am sure that there are many schmuck R’s out there that would vote against him only because he is a D’s. I think the D’s would be more open minded to JM so you have so wiggle room there.

So inconclusion, you haven’t sold me yet. But I will do my homework that you have asked me to and google that.

I don’t believe that Obama is a flaming liberal lefty. I know that he is more moderate than that but I really think all this Camelot crap is dissaffecting (did I use the word correctly) and most of his team encourge him. I think without all the hype I could be more convinced but he really isn’t going to change the direction of this country dramatically and I am concerned with someone that would propagate that myth.

It is like Frodo said in books… “Some how I think the enemy would look fair and feel foul” to which Aragon replied “while I look foul and feel fair?”. That is how I feel about the two.

Gandalf I will reply when I have read that article chartible. I promised to keep an open mind and I will.

Take Care Piggs!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Yeah I am with you on a lot of what you have said Grey Pilgrim. I did not like the Schivo thing either and when it comes to the whole Republican – Religious thing I am right with you in disgust.

As for engery policy… Shhhhyyyttttt… Don’t get me started. As some one who has done a little research in the alternative engery area… The R’s have thrown more money at it than the D’s in the last twenty years. But even that is not really a valid arguement when considering the amoutn of money it was. The R’s pushed “a drop in the bucket” kinda of money at it and the D’s pushed a little less than that. Don’t look to either for energy policy. The market will take care of that one on its own. So no… You can’t sell my on that point.

JM blathering about his tax holiday was only supposed to be a temporary thing to give some quick relief to some. It was never intended to be a long term strategy so that is not a valid arguement. And I even have to agree with the policy somewhat because even though oil has fallen I still hear and see people struggling to get to work (at least in the very short term)

As for the paritisanship… McCain was considered an under-dog from day one BECAUSE of his voting record AGAINST the republicans. Remember he has had a hell of a time courting the right and has been considered traitorous because he will not vote party lines. This is the one republican candidate that the democrats should be rooting for. I think he is the most moderate of the other R’s out there. As for Obama I think he would be more polarizing. In his defense I am sure that there are many schmuck R’s out there that would vote against him only because he is a D’s. I think the D’s would be more open minded to JM so you have so wiggle room there.

So inconclusion, you haven’t sold me yet. But I will do my homework that you have asked me to and google that.

I don’t believe that Obama is a flaming liberal lefty. I know that he is more moderate than that but I really think all this Camelot crap is dissaffecting (did I use the word correctly) and most of his team encourge him. I think without all the hype I could be more convinced but he really isn’t going to change the direction of this country dramatically and I am concerned with someone that would propagate that myth.

It is like Frodo said in books… “Some how I think the enemy would look fair and feel foul” to which Aragon replied “while I look foul and feel fair?”. That is how I feel about the two.

Gandalf I will reply when I have read that article chartible. I promised to keep an open mind and I will.

Take Care Piggs!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

Yeah I am with you on a lot of what you have said Grey Pilgrim. I did not like the Schivo thing either and when it comes to the whole Republican – Religious thing I am right with you in disgust.

As for engery policy… Shhhhyyyttttt… Don’t get me started. As some one who has done a little research in the alternative engery area… The R’s have thrown more money at it than the D’s in the last twenty years. But even that is not really a valid arguement when considering the amoutn of money it was. The R’s pushed “a drop in the bucket” kinda of money at it and the D’s pushed a little less than that. Don’t look to either for energy policy. The market will take care of that one on its own. So no… You can’t sell my on that point.

JM blathering about his tax holiday was only supposed to be a temporary thing to give some quick relief to some. It was never intended to be a long term strategy so that is not a valid arguement. And I even have to agree with the policy somewhat because even though oil has fallen I still hear and see people struggling to get to work (at least in the very short term)

As for the paritisanship… McCain was considered an under-dog from day one BECAUSE of his voting record AGAINST the republicans. Remember he has had a hell of a time courting the right and has been considered traitorous because he will not vote party lines. This is the one republican candidate that the democrats should be rooting for. I think he is the most moderate of the other R’s out there. As for Obama I think he would be more polarizing. In his defense I am sure that there are many schmuck R’s out there that would vote against him only because he is a D’s. I think the D’s would be more open minded to JM so you have so wiggle room there.

So inconclusion, you haven’t sold me yet. But I will do my homework that you have asked me to and google that.

I don’t believe that Obama is a flaming liberal lefty. I know that he is more moderate than that but I really think all this Camelot crap is dissaffecting (did I use the word correctly) and most of his team encourge him. I think without all the hype I could be more convinced but he really isn’t going to change the direction of this country dramatically and I am concerned with someone that would propagate that myth.

It is like Frodo said in books… “Some how I think the enemy would look fair and feel foul” to which Aragon replied “while I look foul and feel fair?”. That is how I feel about the two.

Gandalf I will reply when I have read that article chartible. I promised to keep an open mind and I will.

Take Care Piggs!

CE

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