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December 20, 2009 at 10:16 PM #496765December 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM #495909
Ricechex
ParticipantInteresting thread. The reason that this is getting jammed down our throats, and soon our pockets is because the MSM is up to propaganda as usual. I have heard people saying it everywhere, and wondered since when did it become a “right?” WHO said so? If TPTB frame it as a “right” then that implies it is a moral issue. Thus, they have other agendas, and I don’t think it is to take care of the “people.” It reminds me of the entire “Hope” “Change” mantra we were fed last year. Good marketing.
When people want equal rights, such as civil rights, gay marriage, you see people fighting for this, protesting, marches, attempting to pass bills, etc. NOW, not to infuriate anyone, but have the poor and unemployed really organized to fight for their “rights” to healthcare? And, the government is the advocate for the poor? Altruistic? Not buying it.
They are going to swindle the money to funnel to Goldman Sachs, insurance companies, corporations, etc….all the while claiming they are helping the taxpayer with this healthcare. Throwin’ us a bone. It is all smoke and mirrors. My guess is it is another welfare program to keep the peasants contained especially as times are going to get tougher.
Anyone remember Medicare A and B plans? Didn’t Walmart became one of the largest pharmacy providers? Do we really need more of this?
Something is rotten in Denmark.
December 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM #496063ParticipantInteresting thread. The reason that this is getting jammed down our throats, and soon our pockets is because the MSM is up to propaganda as usual. I have heard people saying it everywhere, and wondered since when did it become a “right?” WHO said so? If TPTB frame it as a “right” then that implies it is a moral issue. Thus, they have other agendas, and I don’t think it is to take care of the “people.” It reminds me of the entire “Hope” “Change” mantra we were fed last year. Good marketing.
When people want equal rights, such as civil rights, gay marriage, you see people fighting for this, protesting, marches, attempting to pass bills, etc. NOW, not to infuriate anyone, but have the poor and unemployed really organized to fight for their “rights” to healthcare? And, the government is the advocate for the poor? Altruistic? Not buying it.
They are going to swindle the money to funnel to Goldman Sachs, insurance companies, corporations, etc….all the while claiming they are helping the taxpayer with this healthcare. Throwin’ us a bone. It is all smoke and mirrors. My guess is it is another welfare program to keep the peasants contained especially as times are going to get tougher.
Anyone remember Medicare A and B plans? Didn’t Walmart became one of the largest pharmacy providers? Do we really need more of this?
Something is rotten in Denmark.
December 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM #496445ParticipantInteresting thread. The reason that this is getting jammed down our throats, and soon our pockets is because the MSM is up to propaganda as usual. I have heard people saying it everywhere, and wondered since when did it become a “right?” WHO said so? If TPTB frame it as a “right” then that implies it is a moral issue. Thus, they have other agendas, and I don’t think it is to take care of the “people.” It reminds me of the entire “Hope” “Change” mantra we were fed last year. Good marketing.
When people want equal rights, such as civil rights, gay marriage, you see people fighting for this, protesting, marches, attempting to pass bills, etc. NOW, not to infuriate anyone, but have the poor and unemployed really organized to fight for their “rights” to healthcare? And, the government is the advocate for the poor? Altruistic? Not buying it.
They are going to swindle the money to funnel to Goldman Sachs, insurance companies, corporations, etc….all the while claiming they are helping the taxpayer with this healthcare. Throwin’ us a bone. It is all smoke and mirrors. My guess is it is another welfare program to keep the peasants contained especially as times are going to get tougher.
Anyone remember Medicare A and B plans? Didn’t Walmart became one of the largest pharmacy providers? Do we really need more of this?
Something is rotten in Denmark.
December 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM #496533ParticipantInteresting thread. The reason that this is getting jammed down our throats, and soon our pockets is because the MSM is up to propaganda as usual. I have heard people saying it everywhere, and wondered since when did it become a “right?” WHO said so? If TPTB frame it as a “right” then that implies it is a moral issue. Thus, they have other agendas, and I don’t think it is to take care of the “people.” It reminds me of the entire “Hope” “Change” mantra we were fed last year. Good marketing.
When people want equal rights, such as civil rights, gay marriage, you see people fighting for this, protesting, marches, attempting to pass bills, etc. NOW, not to infuriate anyone, but have the poor and unemployed really organized to fight for their “rights” to healthcare? And, the government is the advocate for the poor? Altruistic? Not buying it.
They are going to swindle the money to funnel to Goldman Sachs, insurance companies, corporations, etc….all the while claiming they are helping the taxpayer with this healthcare. Throwin’ us a bone. It is all smoke and mirrors. My guess is it is another welfare program to keep the peasants contained especially as times are going to get tougher.
Anyone remember Medicare A and B plans? Didn’t Walmart became one of the largest pharmacy providers? Do we really need more of this?
Something is rotten in Denmark.
December 21, 2009 at 12:47 AM #496775ParticipantInteresting thread. The reason that this is getting jammed down our throats, and soon our pockets is because the MSM is up to propaganda as usual. I have heard people saying it everywhere, and wondered since when did it become a “right?” WHO said so? If TPTB frame it as a “right” then that implies it is a moral issue. Thus, they have other agendas, and I don’t think it is to take care of the “people.” It reminds me of the entire “Hope” “Change” mantra we were fed last year. Good marketing.
When people want equal rights, such as civil rights, gay marriage, you see people fighting for this, protesting, marches, attempting to pass bills, etc. NOW, not to infuriate anyone, but have the poor and unemployed really organized to fight for their “rights” to healthcare? And, the government is the advocate for the poor? Altruistic? Not buying it.
They are going to swindle the money to funnel to Goldman Sachs, insurance companies, corporations, etc….all the while claiming they are helping the taxpayer with this healthcare. Throwin’ us a bone. It is all smoke and mirrors. My guess is it is another welfare program to keep the peasants contained especially as times are going to get tougher.
Anyone remember Medicare A and B plans? Didn’t Walmart became one of the largest pharmacy providers? Do we really need more of this?
Something is rotten in Denmark.
December 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM #495919Anonymous
GuestI’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]
The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.
The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.
December 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM #496073GuestI’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]
The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.
The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.
December 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM #496455GuestI’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]
The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.
The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.
December 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM #496543GuestI’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]
The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.
The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.
December 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM #496785GuestI’m not sure why it matters if health care is a “right.” Most of the functions of government are not related to specific, individual rights.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States […]
The Constitution does not state that the “common Defence” is a right. It says that defense is a function of government, and the government can tax the people to provide it. If the government were only to spend money on “rights,” then we would have no military.
The more interesting question is this: Does the health care fall under the definition of “general Welfare of the United States?” To the extent it does, health care can legally be under the control of the federal government.
December 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM #495924poorgradstudent
Participant“A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members.”
“‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'” Jesus in Matthew 25:40
The morality of universal healthcare sadly fell to the wayside early in the debate. To me, it is clearly the right and just thing to do. The United States lags behind the developed world in many ways, and hopefully we will close the gap further.
December 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM #496078Participant“A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members.”
“‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'” Jesus in Matthew 25:40
The morality of universal healthcare sadly fell to the wayside early in the debate. To me, it is clearly the right and just thing to do. The United States lags behind the developed world in many ways, and hopefully we will close the gap further.
December 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM #496459Participant“A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members.”
“‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'” Jesus in Matthew 25:40
The morality of universal healthcare sadly fell to the wayside early in the debate. To me, it is clearly the right and just thing to do. The United States lags behind the developed world in many ways, and hopefully we will close the gap further.
December 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM #496548Participant“A society is ultimately judged by how it treats its weakest and most vulnerable members.”
“‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'” Jesus in Matthew 25:40
The morality of universal healthcare sadly fell to the wayside early in the debate. To me, it is clearly the right and just thing to do. The United States lags behind the developed world in many ways, and hopefully we will close the gap further.
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