Health Care tax hikes

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.[/quote]

Nobody is spending your money.

I’m talking about reallocating OUR money to compassionate causes, not useless policies.

[quote=Hobie]The party of No calling Brian and Daniel. We call it personal r e s p o n s i b i l i t y.

Regarding the “got mine..” comment a lot of folks support the down and out through their churches and other philanthropic efforts. Put the broad brush away.[/quote]

Guess what? You generally have to belong to the church and have the same beliefs in order to qualify for the generosity. Churches are arbitrary and whimsical in dolling out charity. This is no audit or transparency.

[briansd1]

[quote=mercedes7]I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. [/quote]

I know quite well how the medical system works. I have elderly relatives and I navigate the system for them.

It’s true that MediCal patients don’t have copays (or very low if they’re on Medicare) so they are more likely to get prescriptions than OTC meds.

But that’s is ALREADY happening. It’s NOTHING NEW.

People who have Flexible spending accounts or HSAs are working people with insurance and with co-payments.

With the physician copay plus the pharmacy copay, it will still be cheaper to buy OTC (unless one is ALREADY arbitraging the system on certain meds like flu has been doing).

Like was mentioned above, educated people with jobs may like to research and change their diets to stay away from medication, rather than find ways to game the system to save a few bucks.

Meds are not good for you so don’t take them unless you absolutely have to. My elderly aunt is 88 and she doesn’t take anything but fosamax (in generic form). Her cholesterol and blood pressure are controlled through diet and she goes to the doctor only every other year. Blood work once per year.

Change diets and lifestyles do do away with medication. Isn’t that the RESPONSIBILITY that the right is talking about?

[briansd1]

[quote=mercedes7]I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. [/quote]

I know quite well how the medical system works. I have elderly relatives and I navigate the system for them.

It’s true that MediCal patients don’t have copays (or very low if they’re on Medicare) so they are more likely to get prescriptions than OTC meds.

But that’s is ALREADY happening. It’s NOTHING NEW.

People who have Flexible spending accounts or HSAs are working people with insurance and with co-payments.

With the physician copay plus the pharmacy copay, it will still be cheaper to buy OTC (unless one is ALREADY arbitraging the system on certain meds like flu has been doing).

Like was mentioned above, educated people with jobs may like to research and change their diets to stay away from medication, rather than find ways to game the system to save a few bucks.

Meds are not good for you so don’t take them unless you absolutely have to. My elderly aunt is 88 and she doesn’t take anything but fosamax (in generic form). Her cholesterol and blood pressure are controlled through diet and she goes to the doctor only every other year. Blood work once per year.

Change diets and lifestyles do do away with medication. Isn’t that the RESPONSIBILITY that the right is talking about?

[briansd1]

[quote=mercedes7]I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. [/quote]

I know quite well how the medical system works. I have elderly relatives and I navigate the system for them.

It’s true that MediCal patients don’t have copays (or very low if they’re on Medicare) so they are more likely to get prescriptions than OTC meds.

But that’s is ALREADY happening. It’s NOTHING NEW.

People who have Flexible spending accounts or HSAs are working people with insurance and with co-payments.

With the physician copay plus the pharmacy copay, it will still be cheaper to buy OTC (unless one is ALREADY arbitraging the system on certain meds like flu has been doing).

Like was mentioned above, educated people with jobs may like to research and change their diets to stay away from medication, rather than find ways to game the system to save a few bucks.

Meds are not good for you so don’t take them unless you absolutely have to. My elderly aunt is 88 and she doesn’t take anything but fosamax (in generic form). Her cholesterol and blood pressure are controlled through diet and she goes to the doctor only every other year. Blood work once per year.

Change diets and lifestyles do do away with medication. Isn’t that the RESPONSIBILITY that the right is talking about?

[briansd1]

[quote=mercedes7]I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. [/quote]

I know quite well how the medical system works. I have elderly relatives and I navigate the system for them.

It’s true that MediCal patients don’t have copays (or very low if they’re on Medicare) so they are more likely to get prescriptions than OTC meds.

But that’s is ALREADY happening. It’s NOTHING NEW.

People who have Flexible spending accounts or HSAs are working people with insurance and with co-payments.

With the physician copay plus the pharmacy copay, it will still be cheaper to buy OTC (unless one is ALREADY arbitraging the system on certain meds like flu has been doing).

Like was mentioned above, educated people with jobs may like to research and change their diets to stay away from medication, rather than find ways to game the system to save a few bucks.

Meds are not good for you so don’t take them unless you absolutely have to. My elderly aunt is 88 and she doesn’t take anything but fosamax (in generic form). Her cholesterol and blood pressure are controlled through diet and she goes to the doctor only every other year. Blood work once per year.

Change diets and lifestyles do do away with medication. Isn’t that the RESPONSIBILITY that the right is talking about?

[briansd1]

[quote=mercedes7]I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. [/quote]

I know quite well how the medical system works. I have elderly relatives and I navigate the system for them.

It’s true that MediCal patients don’t have copays (or very low if they’re on Medicare) so they are more likely to get prescriptions than OTC meds.

But that’s is ALREADY happening. It’s NOTHING NEW.

People who have Flexible spending accounts or HSAs are working people with insurance and with co-payments.

With the physician copay plus the pharmacy copay, it will still be cheaper to buy OTC (unless one is ALREADY arbitraging the system on certain meds like flu has been doing).

Like was mentioned above, educated people with jobs may like to research and change their diets to stay away from medication, rather than find ways to game the system to save a few bucks.

Meds are not good for you so don’t take them unless you absolutely have to. My elderly aunt is 88 and she doesn’t take anything but fosamax (in generic form). Her cholesterol and blood pressure are controlled through diet and she goes to the doctor only every other year. Blood work once per year.

Change diets and lifestyles do do away with medication. Isn’t that the RESPONSIBILITY that the right is talking about?

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
As a fellow sufferer of major, chronic GERD, I’ve had surprising success with Metamucil (Psyllium dietary fiber). Took it for something else entirely, and lo and behold, my GERD was drastically reduced (practically eliminated). It also happens to have other good effects, without any of the bad side effects from pharmaceutical drugs for reflux.[/quote]

Yes, try eating more fiber. Most Americans eat too little fiber from fresh fruits and vegetables. For dinner try a large salad comprising of lettuce, apple, pear, beans… with some broiled chicken/fish. Eat that everyday for the whole month and you’ll see a difference. Don’t eat any processed carbs (bread, pasta, mash potato, cookie, cakes) or processed sugar (ice cream, soda).

For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
As a fellow sufferer of major, chronic GERD, I’ve had surprising success with Metamucil (Psyllium dietary fiber). Took it for something else entirely, and lo and behold, my GERD was drastically reduced (practically eliminated). It also happens to have other good effects, without any of the bad side effects from pharmaceutical drugs for reflux.[/quote]

Yes, try eating more fiber. Most Americans eat too little fiber from fresh fruits and vegetables. For dinner try a large salad comprising of lettuce, apple, pear, beans… with some broiled chicken/fish. Eat that everyday for the whole month and you’ll see a difference. Don’t eat any processed carbs (bread, pasta, mash potato, cookie, cakes) or processed sugar (ice cream, soda).

For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
As a fellow sufferer of major, chronic GERD, I’ve had surprising success with Metamucil (Psyllium dietary fiber). Took it for something else entirely, and lo and behold, my GERD was drastically reduced (practically eliminated). It also happens to have other good effects, without any of the bad side effects from pharmaceutical drugs for reflux.[/quote]

Yes, try eating more fiber. Most Americans eat too little fiber from fresh fruits and vegetables. For dinner try a large salad comprising of lettuce, apple, pear, beans… with some broiled chicken/fish. Eat that everyday for the whole month and you’ll see a difference. Don’t eat any processed carbs (bread, pasta, mash potato, cookie, cakes) or processed sugar (ice cream, soda).

For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
As a fellow sufferer of major, chronic GERD, I’ve had surprising success with Metamucil (Psyllium dietary fiber). Took it for something else entirely, and lo and behold, my GERD was drastically reduced (practically eliminated). It also happens to have other good effects, without any of the bad side effects from pharmaceutical drugs for reflux.[/quote]

Yes, try eating more fiber. Most Americans eat too little fiber from fresh fruits and vegetables. For dinner try a large salad comprising of lettuce, apple, pear, beans… with some broiled chicken/fish. Eat that everyday for the whole month and you’ll see a difference. Don’t eat any processed carbs (bread, pasta, mash potato, cookie, cakes) or processed sugar (ice cream, soda).

For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.

[briansd1]

[quote=CA renter]
As a fellow sufferer of major, chronic GERD, I’ve had surprising success with Metamucil (Psyllium dietary fiber). Took it for something else entirely, and lo and behold, my GERD was drastically reduced (practically eliminated). It also happens to have other good effects, without any of the bad side effects from pharmaceutical drugs for reflux.[/quote]

Yes, try eating more fiber. Most Americans eat too little fiber from fresh fruits and vegetables. For dinner try a large salad comprising of lettuce, apple, pear, beans… with some broiled chicken/fish. Eat that everyday for the whole month and you’ll see a difference. Don’t eat any processed carbs (bread, pasta, mash potato, cookie, cakes) or processed sugar (ice cream, soda).

For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.[/quote]

I’ve been eating oats on water for breakfast almost every day since three years ago. Flatulence is guaranteed.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.[/quote]

I’ve been eating oats on water for breakfast almost every day since three years ago. Flatulence is guaranteed.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.[/quote]

I’ve been eating oats on water for breakfast almost every day since three years ago. Flatulence is guaranteed.

[all]

[quote=briansd1]
For breakfast, eat plain oat meal with a banana/fruit.

You will feel better and go to the bathroom more. You may experience some flatulence but it’s normal.

Good luck.[/quote]

I’ve been eating oats on water for breakfast almost every day since three years ago. Flatulence is guaranteed.

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