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[equalizer]

ocrenter:

rude and crude. Can’t believe you are running Bubble Markets Inventory Tracking. had enjoyed that site. Don’t normally attack on first strike but I think jg will pardon me this time:

“Do you have a clue about what’s going on in health care because you take more meds than Paris and Lindsay”? Apologies to Don Imus

[PerryChase]

uncomfortably numb is right. Health care is a lot worse than real estate.

Great advice on #6.

[PerryChase]

uncomfortably numb is right. Health care is a lot worse than real estate.

Great advice on #6.

[ocrenter]

equalizer,

if you dont know the full extend of the situation don’t open your big trap.

I’m not rude nor crude about this. I simply told him he made a wide and general statement about the entire profession and that tend to be very counter productive. he doesn’t know what i do, so when he assumed I had no clue about health care he mispoke. and when you fired your first shot you mispoke.

this guy is not just old, but he is disillusioned, and he is disheartened. I’m sorry he feels this way but when he gets to that stage, he might as well retire. that is a fact. when you don’t enjoy delivering first class care to your patients because you are burdened and disheartened, then why are you still in the profession?

these old guys had all the benefits of Big Pharma for decades. have you thought about that before you start attacking me? how many private practice docs of the old days had free vacations, went to free Lakers games, countless free lunches for themselves and their staff, and now when things don’t go their ways, they come out swinging.

these old private docs complaints and complaints away, but have they thought about how health care got this way. It got this way on THEIR WATCH! So don’t tell me that ALL doctors don’t care. that ALL doctors put insurance companies, health plans, and their wallets before THEIR patients interest. That is HIM speaking, and if that’s true, then he SHOULD RETIRE.

let’s look at it this way, this guy had his 30 years of free vacations, 30 years of high rolling life style, and 30 years rubbing each others backs with big Pharma. Why not take his fortunes and retire and live the good life.

and let the real doctors take over.

[ocrenter]

equalizer,

if you dont know the full extend of the situation don’t open your big trap.

I’m not rude nor crude about this. I simply told him he made a wide and general statement about the entire profession and that tend to be very counter productive. he doesn’t know what i do, so when he assumed I had no clue about health care he mispoke. and when you fired your first shot you mispoke.

this guy is not just old, but he is disillusioned, and he is disheartened. I’m sorry he feels this way but when he gets to that stage, he might as well retire. that is a fact. when you don’t enjoy delivering first class care to your patients because you are burdened and disheartened, then why are you still in the profession?

these old guys had all the benefits of Big Pharma for decades. have you thought about that before you start attacking me? how many private practice docs of the old days had free vacations, went to free Lakers games, countless free lunches for themselves and their staff, and now when things don’t go their ways, they come out swinging.

these old private docs complaints and complaints away, but have they thought about how health care got this way. It got this way on THEIR WATCH! So don’t tell me that ALL doctors don’t care. that ALL doctors put insurance companies, health plans, and their wallets before THEIR patients interest. That is HIM speaking, and if that’s true, then he SHOULD RETIRE.

let’s look at it this way, this guy had his 30 years of free vacations, 30 years of high rolling life style, and 30 years rubbing each others backs with big Pharma. Why not take his fortunes and retire and live the good life.

and let the real doctors take over.

[uncomfortably numb]

ocrenter,
You are correct that I should have not assumed that you are ignorant of health issues. I simple concluded this from your statements. You have made a plethora of assumptions yourself and although I feel little compulsion to defend myself, I will tell you that other than an occasional pen, pad of sticky notes, or coffee cup, I have taken nothing from anybody. Although I have done well in practice, I am not a wealthy person. Personally, I feel the road to hell is paved with hundred dollar bills, but that’s another story.

I used to be quite active and wrote on the subject of national health care/health care reform back in the 80’s when the corporate take-over was just under way. There are a great variety of issues in health care and it’s difficult to intelligently address them in a forum such as this. What I try to do in practice is empower patients by telling them that they are responsible for their own care. This is most important. We live in a society where exploitation through dependency is the order of the day. Remember, nobody in this system makes money keeping people healthy; it’s all about disease.

ocrenter, you are a very intelligent young man, but I don’t believe you understand the entire picture. Most people have a fixed system of belief, then work their way back to the argument. Try to keep an open mind. Remember that all things intellectual are relative and personal. People generally get into trouble when they attempt to impose their own reality on others.

[uncomfortably numb]

ocrenter,
You are correct that I should have not assumed that you are ignorant of health issues. I simple concluded this from your statements. You have made a plethora of assumptions yourself and although I feel little compulsion to defend myself, I will tell you that other than an occasional pen, pad of sticky notes, or coffee cup, I have taken nothing from anybody. Although I have done well in practice, I am not a wealthy person. Personally, I feel the road to hell is paved with hundred dollar bills, but that’s another story.

I used to be quite active and wrote on the subject of national health care/health care reform back in the 80’s when the corporate take-over was just under way. There are a great variety of issues in health care and it’s difficult to intelligently address them in a forum such as this. What I try to do in practice is empower patients by telling them that they are responsible for their own care. This is most important. We live in a society where exploitation through dependency is the order of the day. Remember, nobody in this system makes money keeping people healthy; it’s all about disease.

ocrenter, you are a very intelligent young man, but I don’t believe you understand the entire picture. Most people have a fixed system of belief, then work their way back to the argument. Try to keep an open mind. Remember that all things intellectual are relative and personal. People generally get into trouble when they attempt to impose their own reality on others.

[ocrenter]

numb, what we have here is both of us jumping to conclusions.

I think both of us will agree that…

…seeing folks with a simple elevated chol on an expensive drug like Vytorin is wrong…

…doctors bending to patients coming in requesting the PURPLE pill instead of cheap-o-zantac is wrong…

…and drug reps getting tax deductions for fake boobs because they can make more docs write for the PURPLE pill is wrong…

I think it is extremely hard to empower the patients because they don’t understand that Valtrex and acyclovir are really the same thing. But they will request the Valtrex because there’s commercials for them and not acyclovir.

but a lot of docs try very hard to go against the type of waste I just described, at the expense of extra time educating each patient as each one of them need to be deprogrammed by the mass-advertisement effect of Big Pharma. so when you made blanket statements about the entire profession, you ruffled some feathers. that’s all.

[ocrenter]

numb, what we have here is both of us jumping to conclusions.

I think both of us will agree that…

…seeing folks with a simple elevated chol on an expensive drug like Vytorin is wrong…

…doctors bending to patients coming in requesting the PURPLE pill instead of cheap-o-zantac is wrong…

…and drug reps getting tax deductions for fake boobs because they can make more docs write for the PURPLE pill is wrong…

I think it is extremely hard to empower the patients because they don’t understand that Valtrex and acyclovir are really the same thing. But they will request the Valtrex because there’s commercials for them and not acyclovir.

but a lot of docs try very hard to go against the type of waste I just described, at the expense of extra time educating each patient as each one of them need to be deprogrammed by the mass-advertisement effect of Big Pharma. so when you made blanket statements about the entire profession, you ruffled some feathers. that’s all.

[Anonymous]

Hey, oc-, do you do drugs, or just sell them?

Just joking. Thanks for a measured, thoughtful response.

All’s well that ends well.

[Anonymous]

Hey, oc-, do you do drugs, or just sell them?

Just joking. Thanks for a measured, thoughtful response.

All’s well that ends well.

[uncomfortably numb]

ocrenter,
I don’t disagree with anything you are saying but I believe you are looking at an extremely complex problem in an overly simplistic way. The local (individual) dysfunctional behavior manifest throughout the health care system is tied into the over all dysfunction present systemically. In other words, what’s happening in health care is intimately tied into what’s happening in housing, government, and in every other corrupt institution. All things are inter-related. How can it be any other way?

The point of my post was to inform those benignly unaware that they must take responsibility for their own care. As to your point about blanket statements; I would still contend that it is nearly impossible to be honest and profitable simultaneously. Perhaps the great tragedy of our time is the self-imposition of what I have always referred to as the ‘corporatisation of the individual,’ i.e., individuals who have internalized bottom-line mentality as a strategy for economic survival.

[uncomfortably numb]

ocrenter,
I don’t disagree with anything you are saying but I believe you are looking at an extremely complex problem in an overly simplistic way. The local (individual) dysfunctional behavior manifest throughout the health care system is tied into the over all dysfunction present systemically. In other words, what’s happening in health care is intimately tied into what’s happening in housing, government, and in every other corrupt institution. All things are inter-related. How can it be any other way?

The point of my post was to inform those benignly unaware that they must take responsibility for their own care. As to your point about blanket statements; I would still contend that it is nearly impossible to be honest and profitable simultaneously. Perhaps the great tragedy of our time is the self-imposition of what I have always referred to as the ‘corporatisation of the individual,’ i.e., individuals who have internalized bottom-line mentality as a strategy for economic survival.

[drunkle]

the new century collapse is a great insight into how an entire organization becomes corrupted by management.

it should go without saying that people tend to conform. and that good people will do bad things under the right conditions; authority, disinterest, mob rule, etc, etc. without knowing how bad things have become, by assuming an organization is above reproach, you can forget your own caution; note how some people are adamantly trusting of the president. how anything bad that comes out about the government is simply derided as communist propoganda or bitter loserism. similarly, crotchety old bastards who think doctors are all shysters are labeled as crotchety old bastards and ignored.

[drunkle]

the new century collapse is a great insight into how an entire organization becomes corrupted by management.

it should go without saying that people tend to conform. and that good people will do bad things under the right conditions; authority, disinterest, mob rule, etc, etc. without knowing how bad things have become, by assuming an organization is above reproach, you can forget your own caution; note how some people are adamantly trusting of the president. how anything bad that comes out about the government is simply derided as communist propoganda or bitter loserism. similarly, crotchety old bastards who think doctors are all shysters are labeled as crotchety old bastards and ignored.

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