End of the 4th Ammendment – CISPA

[CA renter]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=flu]…And yet people have no qualms sharing every intimate and personal details about their life on facebook, myspace, linkedin, twitter, etc,etc,etc..[/quote]

But BG keeps asking me about my “immediate family” – what should I do? – should I post up my wife’s life-story or my dad’s income?

Seriously folks, instead of ranting on a blog, why not actually DO SOMETHING:

– First, quit focusing on Obama and take note of the hundreds of our elected officials who actually did approve of this legislation. Is your congressman on the list? (mine is) Write a letter, make a call, or at least do an online petition.

– Second, try to remember some junior-high civics and understand that this will be battled in the courts and that court battles cost money. So give some money to the organizations that actually are fighting this thing and have a shot at overturning it. The ACLU and EFF are good places to start.

Or you could put your tin-foil hats on and whine about the “PTB” …[/quote]

The powers who are pushing this stuff are not in Congress — politicians are simply their puppets and do their bidding for them. This has been moving forward for a long, long time (as Allan mentioned, above), and it is totally unrelated to political parties or individual politicians.

You have to address the **root** of the problem. Who are these entities? What do they have to gain (vast amounts of money/power)? How can they — and anyone who steps up behind them — be stopped for good?

[paramount]

Or move to New Zealand?

[Coronita]

Hey folks, if any of you want to test my hypothesis on how vunerable some of you folks are because of social media, feel free to ping me for a free demonstration on you…Or if you really want to be a guinea pig, for an online demonstration right here…

It can be a real eye opener. Also, a good book to read is..

Social Engineering. The Human Hacking….

At one point in time, a lot of this childs play was part of mandatory study/education for techie geeks.

People give up their privacy voluntarily everyday blatantly without knowing it.

[mike92104]

In the spirit of the TSA:

If you don’t want your privacy violated, don’t use the internet.

[mike92104]

[quote=flu]Hey folks, if any of you want to test my hypothesis on how vunerable some of you folks are because of social media, feel free to ping me for a free demonstration on you…Or if you really want to be a guinea pig, for an online demonstration right here…

It can be a real eye opener. Also, a good book to read is..

Social Engineering. The Human Hacking….

At one point in time, a lot of this childs play was part of mandatory study/education for techie geeks.

People give up their privacy voluntarily everyday blatantly without knowing it.[/quote]

You’re welcome to demonstrate with my user name.

[SD Realtor]

Paramount not so easy to move to New Zealand, the entry requirements are pretty robust.

[paramount]

I strongly suggest checking out this interview (Ann Barnhardt – a little off topic…):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig3iQawX5TQ&feature=colike

[Anonymous]

[quote=CA renter]
[…]

You have to address the **root** of the problem. Who are these entities? What do they have to gain (vast amounts of money/power)? How can they — and anyone who steps up behind them — be stopped for good?[/quote]

Yes, who are “they” (looks around nervously …)

Like I said folks, if we actually want to stop this stuff, we will need a little more than paranoid posts on an anonymous blog.

Write a letter, make a call, open your checkbook.

flu: I’d take you up on your challenge, but I’m worried that you’d find my match.com account.

[NotCranky]

You are pretty traceable too flu. Based on pigg posts, I think I could knock on your door this afternoon, certainly anyone with real investigative authority could. I know I am out there and don’t really care(though I do have some regrets about online style). If the government doesn’t like me or you, or our policies, and wants to screw us there is nothing that can be done about it. I figure I am pretty low on the hit list. It also helps that I don’t want anyone to give me a job…and that’s a legitimate concern.

Yesterday, I searched “Military indoctrination in grammar Schools” because of some ridiculous program at my kid’s school. That’s traceable but so what, the principal and superintendent are going to hear from me. I am pretty sure the brainwashing program is in cooperation with the government and also that the school officials know who I am and where I live. So if my most seditious activities are that public, why should I worry about Facebook? I will not face anymore scrutiny at the airport than you, a known sympathizer with these kinds of programs.

[Coronita]

[quote=mike92104][quote=flu]Hey folks, if any of you want to test my hypothesis on how vunerable some of you folks are because of social media, feel free to ping me for a free demonstration on you…Or if you really want to be a guinea pig, for an online demonstration right here…

It can be a real eye opener. Also, a good book to read is..

Social Engineering. The Human Hacking….

At one point in time, a lot of this childs play was part of mandatory study/education for techie geeks.

People give up their privacy voluntarily everyday blatantly without knowing it.[/quote]

You’re welcome to demonstrate with my user name.[/quote]

*deleted* never mind.

I did post something earlier, but you know, never mind.. But there was an earlier post.

[Coronita]

[quote=Jacarandoso]You are pretty traceable too flu. Based on pigg posts, I think I could knock on your door this afternoon, certainly anyone with real investigative authority could. I know I am out there and don’t really care(though I do have some regrets about online style). If the government doesn’t like me or you, or our policies, and wants to screw us there is nothing that can be done about it. I figure I am pretty low on the hit list. It also helps that I don’t want anyone to give me a job…and that’s a legitimate concern.

Yesterday, I searched “Military indoctrination in grammar Schools” because of some ridiculous program at my kid’s school. That’s traceable but so what, the principal and superintendent are going to hear from me. I am pretty sure the brainwashing program is in cooperation with the government and also that the school officials know who I am and where I live. So if my most seditious activities are that public, why should I worry about Facebook? I will not face anymore scrutiny at the airport than you, a known sympathizer with these kinds of programs will.[/quote]

I totally agree. I’m not suggesting anyone can really “hide”. That’s exactly my point… See, we’re already in a world where information is almost 100% out there and 100% available to anyone… But what is more interesting is these days, it’s available at almost near perfect speed and it’s “stored” ,whether you wanted it to be or not or knew about it. I’m not saying it’s right. Or one shouldn’t be concerned. But all these efforts about privacy..well, incomplete imho..We gave it up a long time ago….

Me personally, unless one has something to hide (IE one is a criminal) or engaging in criminal activity, it’s kinda interesting one would be just concerned about X but not Y…

[bearishgurl]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=flu]…And yet people have no qualms sharing every intimate and personal details about their life on facebook, myspace, linkedin, twitter, etc,etc,etc..[/quote]

But BG keeps asking me about my “immediate family” – what should I do? – should I post up my wife’s life-story or my dad’s income?…[/quote]

pri_dk, you put YOURSELF out there about a couple of months back by stating personal details about your family RIGHT HERE on this blog, when asked by me why you had so much time to spend here trashing public employees and their VERY hard-earned pensions! This is a personal affront to (likely) dozens of Piggs who are past or current “government employees.” Until you yourself serve 20, 25, or 30+ years of service to the public, you have no idea exactly what these workers had to go thru to finally become eligible to collect their pensions!

No one has asked you about your spouse (or even if you had one) or your dad (be grateful you still have one if you do). You’re “whining” here, again.

[quote=pri_dk]…Seriously folks, instead of ranting on a blog, why not actually DO SOMETHING:

– First, quit focusing on Obama and take note of the hundreds of our elected officials who actually did approve of this legislation. Is your congressman on the list? (mine is) Write a letter, make a call, or at least do an online petition.

– Second, try to remember some junior-high civics and understand that this will be battled in the courts and that court battles cost money. So give some money to the organizations that actually are fighting this thing and have a shot at overturning it. The ACLU and EFF are good places to start.

Or you could put your tin-foil hats on and whine about the “PTB” …[/quote]

This is the first lucid post based upon “reality” that I have seen coming from you (from the threads I’ve actually read). I’ve been saying this stuff all along and even repeated it in the thread we were discussing above:

http://piggington.com/otcontest_to_guess_the_occupant_of_beautiful_new_building_in_rsf

[quote=bearishgurl – March 8, 2012, at 10:59 pm]…Why don’t you lobby your congressman or legislator to abolish the entire portion of the CA Government Code (and while you’re at it, the CA Education Code, too) that deals with “collective bargaining.” Maybe you two are collectively “smart enough” to line it out and write in new code, lol!

Look at the initial sentence of this thread here. What does it say?? “Okay time for some fun.” (sans punctuation)

pri_dk, did you ever consider that the entire premise of this thread was to give sdr a platform for attacking public-worker benefits and pensions??

Duh …..

sdr claims he went up there to view the “Miraval tract.” Have we been discussing that here???

NO! The discussion on this thread (entirely led and directed by the OP) devolved from the materials used to build a public building (that the workers using it had no part of choosing) back to . . . where else but public salaries and pensions?

Given this particular OP and main participant(s), should we be surprised??

Since you’re both so presumably “successful” and thus have a lot of time on your hands to “whine” about sh!t none of us has any control over, why don’t you begin writing your representatives right now about your plans to repeal (wholesale) the CA Government and Education Codes?…[/quote]

For the record, I do not know who pri_dk is and we have never had any “PM communications” on this website or any communications at all off this public blog.

[Anonymous]

BG,

Please try to understand the following:

– When someone discusses a particular government policy that affects essentially everyone in California, it’s not “personal.”

– When someone makes specific mention of another person’s family or their family situation, it is personal.

Can you grasp that?

People have posted a lot of information here over the years about their lives. I’ve seen posts where people describe their illnesses, loss of loved ones, investment losses, the finances of their spouses and relatives, even information about struggles with weight and diet.

And I’m pretty sure I’ve never said a harsh word about any personal situations to anyone (and if anything I ever did say was taken that way I sincerely apologize.)

In fact, with a few rare exceptions, I rarely ever see anything negative about anybody’s personal lives here. When personal things do come up, there are usually words of encouragement and then the information is put aside. No matter how heated the debate, I understand there are limits. Just about everyone here gets it too.

Attacks on one’s arguments are fair game, attacks on people’s lives are not.

That’s a big part of what makes this forum better than most. It’s tough and lively, but there is also some common decency.

You claim you don’t know anything about me. I’m sure you don’t. So please stop posting your speculative “facts” and opinions about the details of my life.

At a minimum, can you at least leave my children out of your comments?

Now back to CISPA…

[CA renter]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=CA renter]
[…]

You have to address the **root** of the problem. Who are these entities? What do they have to gain (vast amounts of money/power)? How can they — and anyone who steps up behind them — be stopped for good?[/quote]

Yes, who are “they” (looks around nervously …)

Like I said folks, if we actually want to stop this stuff, we will need a little more than paranoid posts on an anonymous blog.

Write a letter, make a call, open your checkbook.

flu: I’d take you up on your challenge, but I’m worried that you’d find my match.com account.[/quote]

I do all those things as well, and a lot more, but also know that even though many of us put a lot of effort into this, we are totally out-gunned.

We need to get to the root of the problem. Addressing the symptoms (corrupt politicians) will not solve the problem.

[poorgradstudent]

Haha, apparently the worst part of CISPA was an amendment from none other than Rep. Ben Quayle (R-Ariz.). It’s interesting and odd to me that SOPA was backed by Dems while CISPA is a Republican creation.

It sounds like the Democratically controlled Senate is either going to kill CISPA or strip it of the crazier language and send it back to the house. The Obama administration has also hinted it will veto the current CISPA bill.

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