Elections Tuesday

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Of course science doesn’t provide all the answers — science is the process of finding them. A never-ending process. There isn’t some magical “science” that we eventually arrive at the has all the answers. Science is a continual, never-ending process.

Allan, what is your definition of spirituality? It sounds to me as if you can assign the term to any arbitrary thing that we don’t know much about or we can’t yet explain.

The moon was spiritual for millennia, but now that we know that it’s simply a big hunk of rock floating around our planet, the moon isn’t so exciting in the spiritual sense any more, is it? Bummer for the moon.

Ditto for the sun and the stars. Now that we know what stars really are, what say you about astrologists who use their “spirituality” to tell your fortune based on what animal shape some stars make in the sky? How is their spirituality any different than yours, or mine, or Pat Robertson’s or the Pope’s?

Did atoms and electrons and protons and DNA all fall within the realm of “spiritual” before we had them figured out? Probably. Now we see them as nothing more than cogs in our understanding of how the world and the universe works. My hunch is that string theory will eventually suffer the same fate. And then there will be another unknown that the spiritualists cling to as proof of a higher being until it too gets cast aside as a simple rule inherent to the operation of our universe.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to knock your or anyone else’s personal beliefs. I believe that religion plays a purpose (both good and bad) for humanity. My grandma goes to church every Sunday and it brings her a sense of purpose and peace, and that’s all that really matters. But in the grand scheme of things, I believe that it all ends up being a veil over the truths that people are either too lazy or scared to find out. The truth that we could be wiped out at any moment by an asteroid, gamma ray, galaxy collision, or a million other ways and all of our beliefs and spirituality will be wiped off the face of the universe along with us. Poof – back into the primordial space dust from which we all came.

Wait a minute… ashes to ashes, dust to dust. HOLY SHIT! Now I get it!!! 🙂

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Afx: You say you’re not trying to knock my personal beliefs, after spending several paragraphs implying that I’m sitting out on my front lawn trying to figure out where the thunder god went.

I’m not arguing for some arbitrary, “spiritual” answer to that which science can’t explain. Nope. My argument is that both Faith and Reason are MUTUALLY supportive. Both not only co-exist, they augment each other.

You’re a fan of Sagan, right? Look up his locking horns with Velikovsky and their two opposing poles of thought. Sagan, for all of his knowledge, was hopelessly unable (or unwilling) to see a viewpoint he couldn’t understand.

Much of the research to be conducted at the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) will focus on the Higgs Boson (the so-called “God Particle”). I bring this up because your argument stresses that science and spirituality are pulling away from each other, and I think the opposite is happening.

Might String Theory be debunked or discredited? Possibly. But, as you point out, this is a process and, in my opinion, one that will ultimately unite science and spirituality.

There is a divine “spark” in all of us, an undeniable yearning to know, which is what confirms the existence of God, since that quest for knowledge is a desire to unite with our creator.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Afx: You say you’re not trying to knock my personal beliefs, after spending several paragraphs implying that I’m sitting out on my front lawn trying to figure out where the thunder god went.

I’m not arguing for some arbitrary, “spiritual” answer to that which science can’t explain. Nope. My argument is that both Faith and Reason are MUTUALLY supportive. Both not only co-exist, they augment each other.

You’re a fan of Sagan, right? Look up his locking horns with Velikovsky and their two opposing poles of thought. Sagan, for all of his knowledge, was hopelessly unable (or unwilling) to see a viewpoint he couldn’t understand.

Much of the research to be conducted at the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) will focus on the Higgs Boson (the so-called “God Particle”). I bring this up because your argument stresses that science and spirituality are pulling away from each other, and I think the opposite is happening.

Might String Theory be debunked or discredited? Possibly. But, as you point out, this is a process and, in my opinion, one that will ultimately unite science and spirituality.

There is a divine “spark” in all of us, an undeniable yearning to know, which is what confirms the existence of God, since that quest for knowledge is a desire to unite with our creator.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Afx: You say you’re not trying to knock my personal beliefs, after spending several paragraphs implying that I’m sitting out on my front lawn trying to figure out where the thunder god went.

I’m not arguing for some arbitrary, “spiritual” answer to that which science can’t explain. Nope. My argument is that both Faith and Reason are MUTUALLY supportive. Both not only co-exist, they augment each other.

You’re a fan of Sagan, right? Look up his locking horns with Velikovsky and their two opposing poles of thought. Sagan, for all of his knowledge, was hopelessly unable (or unwilling) to see a viewpoint he couldn’t understand.

Much of the research to be conducted at the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) will focus on the Higgs Boson (the so-called “God Particle”). I bring this up because your argument stresses that science and spirituality are pulling away from each other, and I think the opposite is happening.

Might String Theory be debunked or discredited? Possibly. But, as you point out, this is a process and, in my opinion, one that will ultimately unite science and spirituality.

There is a divine “spark” in all of us, an undeniable yearning to know, which is what confirms the existence of God, since that quest for knowledge is a desire to unite with our creator.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Afx: You say you’re not trying to knock my personal beliefs, after spending several paragraphs implying that I’m sitting out on my front lawn trying to figure out where the thunder god went.

I’m not arguing for some arbitrary, “spiritual” answer to that which science can’t explain. Nope. My argument is that both Faith and Reason are MUTUALLY supportive. Both not only co-exist, they augment each other.

You’re a fan of Sagan, right? Look up his locking horns with Velikovsky and their two opposing poles of thought. Sagan, for all of his knowledge, was hopelessly unable (or unwilling) to see a viewpoint he couldn’t understand.

Much of the research to be conducted at the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) will focus on the Higgs Boson (the so-called “God Particle”). I bring this up because your argument stresses that science and spirituality are pulling away from each other, and I think the opposite is happening.

Might String Theory be debunked or discredited? Possibly. But, as you point out, this is a process and, in my opinion, one that will ultimately unite science and spirituality.

There is a divine “spark” in all of us, an undeniable yearning to know, which is what confirms the existence of God, since that quest for knowledge is a desire to unite with our creator.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Afx: You say you’re not trying to knock my personal beliefs, after spending several paragraphs implying that I’m sitting out on my front lawn trying to figure out where the thunder god went.

I’m not arguing for some arbitrary, “spiritual” answer to that which science can’t explain. Nope. My argument is that both Faith and Reason are MUTUALLY supportive. Both not only co-exist, they augment each other.

You’re a fan of Sagan, right? Look up his locking horns with Velikovsky and their two opposing poles of thought. Sagan, for all of his knowledge, was hopelessly unable (or unwilling) to see a viewpoint he couldn’t understand.

Much of the research to be conducted at the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) will focus on the Higgs Boson (the so-called “God Particle”). I bring this up because your argument stresses that science and spirituality are pulling away from each other, and I think the opposite is happening.

Might String Theory be debunked or discredited? Possibly. But, as you point out, this is a process and, in my opinion, one that will ultimately unite science and spirituality.

There is a divine “spark” in all of us, an undeniable yearning to know, which is what confirms the existence of God, since that quest for knowledge is a desire to unite with our creator.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

“Spirituality” need not = “Ignorance of how it works”. Many, many people, including self-styled “spiritual” ones, make this what I consider mistake.

To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me. I know that an ant is an invertebrate arthropod of the group Hymenoptera, composed of various organic compounds, simple nerve trunk and digestive tract , muscles etc enclosed in an articulated chitin and sclerotin shell. But look at how it works!!! How does such sophisticated movement, interaction with its environment, and life history even, fit into such a tiny, elegant package!

If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

“Spirituality” need not = “Ignorance of how it works”. Many, many people, including self-styled “spiritual” ones, make this what I consider mistake.

To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me. I know that an ant is an invertebrate arthropod of the group Hymenoptera, composed of various organic compounds, simple nerve trunk and digestive tract , muscles etc enclosed in an articulated chitin and sclerotin shell. But look at how it works!!! How does such sophisticated movement, interaction with its environment, and life history even, fit into such a tiny, elegant package!

If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

“Spirituality” need not = “Ignorance of how it works”. Many, many people, including self-styled “spiritual” ones, make this what I consider mistake.

To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me. I know that an ant is an invertebrate arthropod of the group Hymenoptera, composed of various organic compounds, simple nerve trunk and digestive tract , muscles etc enclosed in an articulated chitin and sclerotin shell. But look at how it works!!! How does such sophisticated movement, interaction with its environment, and life history even, fit into such a tiny, elegant package!

If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

“Spirituality” need not = “Ignorance of how it works”. Many, many people, including self-styled “spiritual” ones, make this what I consider mistake.

To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me. I know that an ant is an invertebrate arthropod of the group Hymenoptera, composed of various organic compounds, simple nerve trunk and digestive tract , muscles etc enclosed in an articulated chitin and sclerotin shell. But look at how it works!!! How does such sophisticated movement, interaction with its environment, and life history even, fit into such a tiny, elegant package!

If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.

[CricketOnTheHearth]

“Spirituality” need not = “Ignorance of how it works”. Many, many people, including self-styled “spiritual” ones, make this what I consider mistake.

To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me. I know that an ant is an invertebrate arthropod of the group Hymenoptera, composed of various organic compounds, simple nerve trunk and digestive tract , muscles etc enclosed in an articulated chitin and sclerotin shell. But look at how it works!!! How does such sophisticated movement, interaction with its environment, and life history even, fit into such a tiny, elegant package!

If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me.
[/quote]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. [/quote]

I agree.

It doesn’t mean that someone upstairs in heaven sat down and created such things like an architect designs a building.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.
[/quote]

To me such amazing things could not have been designed by any single creator.

Who created the creator?

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me.
[/quote]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. [/quote]

I agree.

It doesn’t mean that someone upstairs in heaven sat down and created such things like an architect designs a building.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.
[/quote]

To me such amazing things could not have been designed by any single creator.

Who created the creator?

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me.
[/quote]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. [/quote]

I agree.

It doesn’t mean that someone upstairs in heaven sat down and created such things like an architect designs a building.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.
[/quote]

To me such amazing things could not have been designed by any single creator.

Who created the creator?

[briansd1]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
To me, “spirituality” is more a kind of awe at the universe around me.
[/quote]

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
If anything, the more we know about how such things work, the more we can fall in awe of them, and to me that is spirituality. [/quote]

I agree.

It doesn’t mean that someone upstairs in heaven sat down and created such things like an architect designs a building.

[quote=CricketOnTheHearth]
I think creationism is over-simplistic, but seeing such sophisticated things around us, I don’t blame creationists for thinking they “were made, did not just grow”.
[/quote]

To me such amazing things could not have been designed by any single creator.

Who created the creator?

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