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[bob007]

Democrats are more responsible for this housing mess.

1. They back current public school education system. They oppose vouchers.

2. Their political base tends to be in high price metropolitan areas

3. They like a nanny approach to government

[Coronita]

Democrats are more responsible for this housing mess.

1. They back current public school education system. They oppose vouchers.

2. Their political base tends to be in high price metropolitan areas

3. They like a nanny approach to government

I wouldn't say #2. Democrats tend to back the middle class, with the exception of the DLC which gets backing from corp america (no different then the republicans, just different corp sponsors :))

The mess we are in isn't because Republican issue or Democrat issue (it's not party lines issues). The issue is that the government was too effective with a Republican controlled house, senate, and president. When you get a domination across the board from one party, the system lacks checks and balances, and things actually get pushed through, for better or worse.

I don't think the climate will change moving forward either. We now have a democratic house and senate. And probably soon to be democratic pres. The hardest hit will be the upper middle class, as I expect the Democrats start taxing this class more, in an attempt to balance the lower middle class and poor. The rich never gets touched either party. Expect big government oversight with lots of bailouts.

BTW: my definition of upper middle class would lump your engineeer making $100k/year. Not that much in today's standard, but well above the middle class.Really rich households will always find shelters and loopholes, regardless of which party is in control.

 

An all democratic government would mean another 4 more bad years at least of screwed up policies that don't many any economic sense, because you'll have this party be pushing it's agenda. For this reason, regardless of how bad the republican candidate is going to be, I'm going to vote for him/her. Because the government needs party balance for the economy to do well. If you don't like the idea of bailouts and big government, it's probably in your best interst to vote for a president that isn't the same party as the house and senate too. Either way, it's going to be a long shot for a republican president, short of have some scandal that breaks out in the democrat party.

I have more fear about what damage the an all democrat government will do compared to inflation, weak dollar, etc.

 

[Arty]

Democrats are more fiscally responsible in government spending. The greatest expansion of our debts all occured during the Republican presidents. What happened to the small government that Republicans keep saying?

Also, don’t blame the governemnt, blame youself or anyone who keep spending and piling up debts.

Btw, San Diego is still a Republican district and its housing is damn expansive :). lol

[Coronita]

Democrats are more fiscally responsible in government spending. The greatest expansion of our debts all occured during the Republican presidents. What happened to the small government that Republicans keep saying?

Also, don't blame the governemnt, blame youself or anyone who keep spending and piling up debts.

Btw, San Diego is still a Republican district and its housing is damn expansive :). lol

 

No offense,

But i call bullsh!t on that one. Neither parties are fiscally responsible. Different agenda, same sh!t. Republicans spend on on the military. Democrats spend on welfare and the poor. And both have their fair share for porkbarrelling.

I'm not blaming the government for anything. The problem is when average american is knee deep in trouble, neither party will just give the middle finger and say it's your own problem. IF one party controls government, there will be a bailout, at the expense the small minority of folks that was responsible (me included). Doesn't matter which party. The only chance of no action, is if government is totally incompetent and cant push policy through, which occurs if you have a mixture of reps and democrats in government that can't agree.

 

BTW: i vote across party lines, for what makes sense in the situation. I'm not tied to either party's idealogy, because that's all it is. ideas.

 

[stockstradr]

To those who think republican administrations have been more fiscally responsible in government spending (or no less so than democratic administrations):

By holding (and expressing) this opinion you’re broadcasting that you haven’t seen the relevant data and you form strong opinions without any basis in fact.

This data is available from many sources comparing US deficits year-by-year associated with every republican and democratic presidental term. The data is objective and the obvious conclusions are NOT disputed by respected economists of either party affiliation. Particularly in the last several decades, annual deficits, and associated growth in total government debt, have on average been far greater during republican presidential terms.

I believe one of the key reasons this country is getting rather screwed up economically (and culturally?) is that its citizens are complacent blind sheep content to be led (straight over a cliff) by politicians (and media) turning truths upside-down to suit their selfish purposes.

Mr fat_lazy_union_whatever, you have obviously have fed yourself into a fat little sheep eating those sound bites from republicans preaching their past fiscal responsibility, and you believed those lies without checking the data. You are one of the gullible, dumbed-down and easily controlled masses.

I usually refrain from writing posts this biting and nasty, but this is a touchy subject because so many Americans now make a habit of ignoring fact, and voting for politicians who do same.

[Coronita]

stockstradr,

Ouch 🙂

Well, let's see how the democrats do this time around ok? No point in arguing this. We have the next 4 years, and let's see where things go from here, shall we? I don't see how the democrats or any part for that matter is really going to be any better this time around.

Was it Clinton and democrats and conservative spending or was it progress in a tech that eventually imploded at the time the repubs took office. We can argue all day who's fault it was. What's the point?

Read my lines. Government wastes money. Period. Bailout is eminent if one party controls government. People here has voiced frustration about bailouts (I personally don't care). How can anyone think a bailout isn't going to happen with a all democrat gov?

My fat_asS_lazy_ness means hiding my assets and sheltering before major tax changes, such as cap gains limits etc, so uncle sam doesn't do the robin hood thing and distribute it to overleveraged, quick/buck hopeful fat fuck lazy american that was way over his head now screaming for a bailout.

 

[Bugs]

The only reason we would vote in a unified government is if we really want to get something done. Unifying all 3 branches of government can only result in extremes, and Americans traditionally have gravitated away from extremes.

We normally favor some gridlock because on any given issue the electorate is about evenly divided between the two extremes. What one party favors the other is somewhat compelled to oppose because there are no votes in taking a me-too position. That’s how the special interests are able to steer the political platforms of the two parties.

[Coronita]

Forgot to mention stockstradr,

since this somehow ended in personal attack… the only "data" i need to decide what is my better financial interest is the 1040 returns for the past 12+ years.

 

Now, I know what you're about to say too. "It surprises me that americans would sheepishly care about a 'tax' break that means a refund of a couple of hundred of dollars, or how people would care about estate taxes, or investment breaks etc when they don't have much.. They're so blind blind blah blah blah", except that these things are relevant for folks on the $300k+ range household income. Democrats love to play robin hood with these folks. They won't take it from the really rich to give it to the rest. They always take it upper midle range of household.

All my 1040 "data" indicates that I have faired far better over the last to terms than before.

Now, the next argument I've heard also is , those that make more should pay more. Yeah, I heard that one to, which goes back to my tag line. Those that make more shouldn't have to pick up all the slack for overleveraged FF irresponsible folks. Or if you want to take more, take it from the really rich which wouldn't make a dent for them. Sorry, I despise the FFL asses.

 

I love it when the gov gridlocks, because no extremes occur. One uniform party gov, means less likely chance of gridlock. In the current climate, this would to me mean a bailout never seen before at the expense of responsible taxpayers.

The fact that some of these bills have made it past the house is starting to be of concern itself. You would think there would be delays, and lots of questions. A lot of folks here think that can't possibly be a bailout. There can't possibly be drastic actions. But the "facts" seem to indicate we are in unchartered territory right now. Extremes are possible.

 

[CostaMesa]

Holy crap, is it just me or is the aticle linked in the original post one of the most biased piles of poop that I’ve seen in a long time.

democratic-led congress
democrat asking for help
goes on and on

Totally ignores any relevant factual information that doesn’t support an assault on the Democrats. WTF???

Consider this – the Republicans today filibustered the Troop Rest bill, preventing our nation’s finest from being able to enjoy the same treatment that our veterans of every other war were offered. So King George gets to treat our soldiers like slaves, because, well – they are King George’s personal slaves!

WTF???

[Coronita]

Holy crap, is it just me or is the aticle linked in the original post one of the most biased piles of poop that I've seen in a long time.

democratic-led congress
democrat asking for help
goes on and on

Totally ignores any relevant factual information that doesn't support an assault on the Democrats. WTF???

Consider this – the Republicans today filibustered the Troop Rest bill, preventing our nation's finest from being able to enjoy the same treatment that our veterans of every other war were offered. So King George gets to treat our soldiers like slaves, because, well – they are King George's personal slaves!

WTF???

 

No disagreements from me that republicans shove a lot of crap too.

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