Deadly New Mexican Flu Virus Sparks Global Pandemic Fear

[ralphfurley]

[quote=Eugene]
The mortality rate in Mexico was so far ~5% among healthy young people. Fortunately, the virus is known to be susceptible to oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and we can expect the government to help out if there are shortages of the medication. Just to be safe, you might want to get some yourself. It’s prescription-only in the US but freely available in Tijuana. Get some now before border pharmacies jack up prices.[/quote]

Horsepiss.

I work at a Children’s Hospital and have yet to see one normal, healthy, kid die from the swine flu this year. A few got pretty bad, but they all made it through.

And Tamiflu doesn’t do jack except make you feel worse. The side effects are particularly gnarly too (IIRC).

Trust the drug pushers. They’ll never steer you wrong. /snark

[blahblahblah]

Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat!

[blahblahblah]

Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat!

[blahblahblah]

Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat!

[blahblahblah]

Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat!

[blahblahblah]

Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat!

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO]Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist resurrecting this thread. 2009 was supposed to be the year that we were all going to die from Swine Flu. Looks like it didn’t happen…[/quote]

Absolutely possible and completely in line with profit driven entities. If a corp can capitalize further off an event by pumping up the fear factor it won’t let its shareholders down.

But the issue of a potential future deadly pandemic is not resolved by that. It has a life of it’s own now, so there isn’t a person on the planet that can say definitively that this flu is a non event. So far, there is no evidence that wishing has any effect on halting mutations. It is and will evolve as nature sees fit, which is beyond predictability.

With that said, I’ll still take my chances with the virus over the vaccine, because if it does mutate out of it’s mild form, the vaccine may be useless anyway.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=ajw2AS.d1wK8

Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) — Adrian Gibbs, the virologist who said in May that swine flu may have escaped from a laboratory, published his findings today, renewing discussion about the origins of the pandemic virus.

The new H1N1 strain, which was discovered in Mexico and the U.S. in April, may be the product of three strains from three continents that swapped genes in a lab or a vaccine-making plant, Gibbs, and fellow Australian scientists wrote in Virology Journal. The authors analyzed the genetic makeup of the virus and found its origin could be more simply explained by human involvement than a coincidence of nature.

Sadly, modern medicine easily has the ability to make billions via creating viruses if one chose to do so. Mix in a little no bid vaccine contracts with the government and you have a recipe for a windfall.

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO]Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist resurrecting this thread. 2009 was supposed to be the year that we were all going to die from Swine Flu. Looks like it didn’t happen…[/quote]

Absolutely possible and completely in line with profit driven entities. If a corp can capitalize further off an event by pumping up the fear factor it won’t let its shareholders down.

But the issue of a potential future deadly pandemic is not resolved by that. It has a life of it’s own now, so there isn’t a person on the planet that can say definitively that this flu is a non event. So far, there is no evidence that wishing has any effect on halting mutations. It is and will evolve as nature sees fit, which is beyond predictability.

With that said, I’ll still take my chances with the virus over the vaccine, because if it does mutate out of it’s mild form, the vaccine may be useless anyway.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=ajw2AS.d1wK8

Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) — Adrian Gibbs, the virologist who said in May that swine flu may have escaped from a laboratory, published his findings today, renewing discussion about the origins of the pandemic virus.

The new H1N1 strain, which was discovered in Mexico and the U.S. in April, may be the product of three strains from three continents that swapped genes in a lab or a vaccine-making plant, Gibbs, and fellow Australian scientists wrote in Virology Journal. The authors analyzed the genetic makeup of the virus and found its origin could be more simply explained by human involvement than a coincidence of nature.

Sadly, modern medicine easily has the ability to make billions via creating viruses if one chose to do so. Mix in a little no bid vaccine contracts with the government and you have a recipe for a windfall.

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO]Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist resurrecting this thread. 2009 was supposed to be the year that we were all going to die from Swine Flu. Looks like it didn’t happen…[/quote]

Absolutely possible and completely in line with profit driven entities. If a corp can capitalize further off an event by pumping up the fear factor it won’t let its shareholders down.

But the issue of a potential future deadly pandemic is not resolved by that. It has a life of it’s own now, so there isn’t a person on the planet that can say definitively that this flu is a non event. So far, there is no evidence that wishing has any effect on halting mutations. It is and will evolve as nature sees fit, which is beyond predictability.

With that said, I’ll still take my chances with the virus over the vaccine, because if it does mutate out of it’s mild form, the vaccine may be useless anyway.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=ajw2AS.d1wK8

Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) — Adrian Gibbs, the virologist who said in May that swine flu may have escaped from a laboratory, published his findings today, renewing discussion about the origins of the pandemic virus.

The new H1N1 strain, which was discovered in Mexico and the U.S. in April, may be the product of three strains from three continents that swapped genes in a lab or a vaccine-making plant, Gibbs, and fellow Australian scientists wrote in Virology Journal. The authors analyzed the genetic makeup of the virus and found its origin could be more simply explained by human involvement than a coincidence of nature.

Sadly, modern medicine easily has the ability to make billions via creating viruses if one chose to do so. Mix in a little no bid vaccine contracts with the government and you have a recipe for a windfall.

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO]Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist resurrecting this thread. 2009 was supposed to be the year that we were all going to die from Swine Flu. Looks like it didn’t happen…[/quote]

Absolutely possible and completely in line with profit driven entities. If a corp can capitalize further off an event by pumping up the fear factor it won’t let its shareholders down.

But the issue of a potential future deadly pandemic is not resolved by that. It has a life of it’s own now, so there isn’t a person on the planet that can say definitively that this flu is a non event. So far, there is no evidence that wishing has any effect on halting mutations. It is and will evolve as nature sees fit, which is beyond predictability.

With that said, I’ll still take my chances with the virus over the vaccine, because if it does mutate out of it’s mild form, the vaccine may be useless anyway.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=ajw2AS.d1wK8

Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) — Adrian Gibbs, the virologist who said in May that swine flu may have escaped from a laboratory, published his findings today, renewing discussion about the origins of the pandemic virus.

The new H1N1 strain, which was discovered in Mexico and the U.S. in April, may be the product of three strains from three continents that swapped genes in a lab or a vaccine-making plant, Gibbs, and fellow Australian scientists wrote in Virology Journal. The authors analyzed the genetic makeup of the virus and found its origin could be more simply explained by human involvement than a coincidence of nature.

Sadly, modern medicine easily has the ability to make billions via creating viruses if one chose to do so. Mix in a little no bid vaccine contracts with the government and you have a recipe for a windfall.

[Arraya]

[quote=CONCHO]Sorry, but I just couldn’t resist resurrecting this thread. 2009 was supposed to be the year that we were all going to die from Swine Flu. Looks like it didn’t happen…[/quote]

Absolutely possible and completely in line with profit driven entities. If a corp can capitalize further off an event by pumping up the fear factor it won’t let its shareholders down.

But the issue of a potential future deadly pandemic is not resolved by that. It has a life of it’s own now, so there isn’t a person on the planet that can say definitively that this flu is a non event. So far, there is no evidence that wishing has any effect on halting mutations. It is and will evolve as nature sees fit, which is beyond predictability.

With that said, I’ll still take my chances with the virus over the vaccine, because if it does mutate out of it’s mild form, the vaccine may be useless anyway.

Oh, and there is this:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=ajw2AS.d1wK8

Nov. 24 (Bloomberg) — Adrian Gibbs, the virologist who said in May that swine flu may have escaped from a laboratory, published his findings today, renewing discussion about the origins of the pandemic virus.

The new H1N1 strain, which was discovered in Mexico and the U.S. in April, may be the product of three strains from three continents that swapped genes in a lab or a vaccine-making plant, Gibbs, and fellow Australian scientists wrote in Virology Journal. The authors analyzed the genetic makeup of the virus and found its origin could be more simply explained by human involvement than a coincidence of nature.

Sadly, modern medicine easily has the ability to make billions via creating viruses if one chose to do so. Mix in a little no bid vaccine contracts with the government and you have a recipe for a windfall.

[capeman]

[quote=CONCHO]Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat![/quote]

It’s never a big deal unless it affects you right. Car accidents, cancer, watching children die of diseases while you dance around and talk about plastic sheeting. I know how these people feel before they die from lack of oxygen as I almost went myself at 23 when I caught SARS almost a decade ago. It sucks!

A half million people may have died in an earthquake in Haiti. That’s no big deal since that’s a much smaller number of people than die of car accidents throughout the world. Nice dude. It’s all unacceptable and these victims deserve a little respect.

The breakdown of the system I’m talking about is that with all of the news and guidance you have docs all over the country not following the guidance and sending obvious flu patients home saying it’s nothing, or sending them back to work or school to infect others with something that kills people who don’t normally die of bugs like this.

We’ve got documented stories of people with large families who were told that their teenage family members died of heart failure when the test results were confirmed positive for H1N1 and on the hospital record. Meanwhile the victim exposed the rest of the family to it. I’ve personally talked to Docs about this issue and they have no fricking clue about what to do about it.

Influenza is one of the few fundamental bugs that docs are taught to diagnose in first year med school yet they can’t put 2 and 2 together in the clinic in the middle of a pandemic to treat conservatively. That’s a breakdown of the system and I can post dozens of news stories of people who are now perished due to this breakdown of common sense.

[capeman]

[quote=CONCHO]Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat![/quote]

It’s never a big deal unless it affects you right. Car accidents, cancer, watching children die of diseases while you dance around and talk about plastic sheeting. I know how these people feel before they die from lack of oxygen as I almost went myself at 23 when I caught SARS almost a decade ago. It sucks!

A half million people may have died in an earthquake in Haiti. That’s no big deal since that’s a much smaller number of people than die of car accidents throughout the world. Nice dude. It’s all unacceptable and these victims deserve a little respect.

The breakdown of the system I’m talking about is that with all of the news and guidance you have docs all over the country not following the guidance and sending obvious flu patients home saying it’s nothing, or sending them back to work or school to infect others with something that kills people who don’t normally die of bugs like this.

We’ve got documented stories of people with large families who were told that their teenage family members died of heart failure when the test results were confirmed positive for H1N1 and on the hospital record. Meanwhile the victim exposed the rest of the family to it. I’ve personally talked to Docs about this issue and they have no fricking clue about what to do about it.

Influenza is one of the few fundamental bugs that docs are taught to diagnose in first year med school yet they can’t put 2 and 2 together in the clinic in the middle of a pandemic to treat conservatively. That’s a breakdown of the system and I can post dozens of news stories of people who are now perished due to this breakdown of common sense.

[capeman]

[quote=CONCHO]Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat![/quote]

It’s never a big deal unless it affects you right. Car accidents, cancer, watching children die of diseases while you dance around and talk about plastic sheeting. I know how these people feel before they die from lack of oxygen as I almost went myself at 23 when I caught SARS almost a decade ago. It sucks!

A half million people may have died in an earthquake in Haiti. That’s no big deal since that’s a much smaller number of people than die of car accidents throughout the world. Nice dude. It’s all unacceptable and these victims deserve a little respect.

The breakdown of the system I’m talking about is that with all of the news and guidance you have docs all over the country not following the guidance and sending obvious flu patients home saying it’s nothing, or sending them back to work or school to infect others with something that kills people who don’t normally die of bugs like this.

We’ve got documented stories of people with large families who were told that their teenage family members died of heart failure when the test results were confirmed positive for H1N1 and on the hospital record. Meanwhile the victim exposed the rest of the family to it. I’ve personally talked to Docs about this issue and they have no fricking clue about what to do about it.

Influenza is one of the few fundamental bugs that docs are taught to diagnose in first year med school yet they can’t put 2 and 2 together in the clinic in the middle of a pandemic to treat conservatively. That’s a breakdown of the system and I can post dozens of news stories of people who are now perished due to this breakdown of common sense.

[capeman]

[quote=CONCHO]Hmmm…5-15K people died who weren’t supposed to die of flu and it was from this bug.

Okay let’s take the outside measurement of 15K extra deaths in the US. With a current population of > 300M, that means that swine flu deaths affected .005% of the population. Holy crap that’s terrifying! Excuse me while I pee myself and wrap my house in duct tape and plastic sheeting. 15K swine flu deaths! That’s almost 1/3 of the number of people who die in automobile accidents every year in the US! Holy shit! I’d better go get myself injected with the latest vaccines for protection. Thanks for alerting me of this frightening threat![/quote]

It’s never a big deal unless it affects you right. Car accidents, cancer, watching children die of diseases while you dance around and talk about plastic sheeting. I know how these people feel before they die from lack of oxygen as I almost went myself at 23 when I caught SARS almost a decade ago. It sucks!

A half million people may have died in an earthquake in Haiti. That’s no big deal since that’s a much smaller number of people than die of car accidents throughout the world. Nice dude. It’s all unacceptable and these victims deserve a little respect.

The breakdown of the system I’m talking about is that with all of the news and guidance you have docs all over the country not following the guidance and sending obvious flu patients home saying it’s nothing, or sending them back to work or school to infect others with something that kills people who don’t normally die of bugs like this.

We’ve got documented stories of people with large families who were told that their teenage family members died of heart failure when the test results were confirmed positive for H1N1 and on the hospital record. Meanwhile the victim exposed the rest of the family to it. I’ve personally talked to Docs about this issue and they have no fricking clue about what to do about it.

Influenza is one of the few fundamental bugs that docs are taught to diagnose in first year med school yet they can’t put 2 and 2 together in the clinic in the middle of a pandemic to treat conservatively. That’s a breakdown of the system and I can post dozens of news stories of people who are now perished due to this breakdown of common sense.

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